alistairm Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Released at CES in 2014... entering the system tonight. I haven't been this excited about a cable for a while. 3
Guest Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 What he said ^^^ We're not paying for the cable though 1
Pops110 Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 I would just love to hear these or similar cables I'm my system. Cables worth more than the rest of my components combined. Would be a real eye opener I think. Cheers Dave. 1
David A Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 I'll be interested in your feedback on the Statements Alistair as i'm considering them as an upgrade path from my current Primes 1
Dalamii Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Ali, let us know how you feel, new flatship =) Excited 1
alistairm Posted March 12, 2014 Author Posted March 12, 2014 They're in and they're good. More details to follow.
David A Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Did you have the Primes before Alistair? It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the difference . Edited March 12, 2014 by Bodhi
==A== Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Audio quackery at its best. Good quality balanced cables with quality connectors yes. Magic cable that costs more than a small car, no. You won't find a similar cable in a high-end recording studio where the content is created and sounds incredible (pre-mastered audio in a well designed room with awesome monitors) 1
David A Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Andy, I don't think Alistair or anyone familiar with Jorma cables (ie: those who have owned different models and can quantify the difference) would claim these or any other similar high end cables perform any kind of vudu or magic. But in terms of do they make a positive difference to the sound worthy of the price of entry? That depends on the level of the rest of your system. If you're running a system approaching $120kUS+, then you could likely justify the cost, and moreover you'd have a system capable of allowing you to hear the benefits. Then there is a thing I call "havingness". Once you get up to the higher end Jorma models, they really are beautifully made and beautiful to look at (imho). Btw, i've seen some recording studios with fairly bland gear. Professional audio gear is built for accuracy, not sound quality, scale, or audiophile qualities like imaging/sound staging ability. In other words not for those prized qualities we seek which put a smile on our face and bring us mega joy. Edited March 16, 2014 by Bodhi 4
Krispy Audio Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Audio quackery at its best. Good quality balanced cables with quality connectors yes. Magic cable that costs more than a small car, no. You won't find a similar cable in a high-end recording studio where the content is created and sounds incredible (pre-mastered audio in a well designed room with awesome monitors) He wasn't asking for opinions! Edited March 16, 2014 by Krispy Audio 2
Mr Goldmund Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Andy, I don't think Alistair or anyone familiar with Jorma cables (ie: those who have owned different models and can quantify the difference) would claim these or any other similar high end cables perform any kind of vudu or magic. But in terms of do they make a positive difference to the sound worthy of the price of entry? That depends on the level of the rest of your system. If you're running a system approaching $120kUS+ system, then you could likely justify the cost, and moreover you'd have a system capable of allowing you to hear the benefits. I've seen some recording studios with fairly bland gear. Professional audio gear is built for accuracy, not sound quality, scale, or audiophile qualities like imaging/sound staging ability. In other words not for those prized qualities we seek which put a smile on our face and bring us mega joy. As a fellow jorma cable user (no.2) throughout my system I completely agree with Bodhi's comments - cables are designed to bring the best out of your system components, to create synergy, and cause that joyful smile when you can hear the improvements! Now if only I had primes like Bodhi or even better the statements like the OP in my setup... I'll just keep drooling for now 3
David A Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Now if only I had primes like Bodhi or even better the statements like the OP in my setup... I'll just keep drooling for now Just go to one of Victor's garage sales! :lol: 2
CryptiK Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 I have very humble cables in my system, but people own things for many reasons. There's enormous joy that can be had simply through the ownership of something special. Whether it's a limited run where you're one of a handful of owners, it's made from rare metals, it's hand made, it's styled in a way that speaks to you, any of these things can bring great joy and they're completely unrelated to the items function/purpose! Personally cables don't do it for me, but no one should be made to feel silly or made to apologize for enjoying something (so long as it's not hurting anyone else) that brings them joy. 3
Guest yamaha_man Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I was never a believer in cable until I went to a gtg once. If you have the equipment to exploit what a good cable can do and the money to purchase then I say why not! If you don't, continue to criticise so we know who's opinions to ignore. Edited March 16, 2014 by yamaha_man
Guest Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Audio quackery at its best. Good quality balanced cables with quality connectors yes. Magic cable that costs more than a small car, no. You won't find a similar cable in a high-end recording studio where the content is created and sounds incredible (pre-mastered audio in a well designed room with awesome monitors) You're new here, so your post can be mostly forgiven. In this case, it could be considered poor form however to jump in with a statement like yours. You don't know the author, his system, background or aims with his system. I noticed you made a similar contribution in his power points/cable thread also. Again, without knowing his journey in high end Hi-Fi or the current draw of his stadium sized amplifiers, you'd be best to better consider your contributions. Just a bit of advice. We have a great community here, including some of the most knowledgeable enthusiasts and professionals from within the industry - find your feet and get to know the community and its members before coming in with a 'holier-than-thou' attitude. 8
vmhf Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Audio quackery at its best. Good quality balanced cables with quality connectors yes. Magic cable that costs more than a small car, no. You won't find a similar cable in a high-end recording studio where the content is created and sounds incredible (pre-mastered audio in a well designed room with awesome monitors) Add to that magic components that costs more than a big car and magic speakers that cost more than a semi trailer :nana 2
cafe67 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Makes you wonder why some people are actually here???
CryptiK Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I'm a scientist by trade and find the 'can't measure how they make the sound better' thing hard to get my head around but at the same time, I've never blind tested different cables in a good system in a good room. If that ever happened and if I could routinely pick 1. when the cables were changed (the tester should at times NOT change the cable and ask for the listeners opinion again to see if it could be detected as not being changed) and 2. pick a particular cable that I liked the sound of the best, then I'd happily spend a reasonable sum (to me that is a fraction of the component I am powering with it or a fraction of the value of the speakers) on the cable I liked best. I've just never had the opportunity to do this. That said as I mentioned above, enjoyment can come from elements not associated with the actual function of the item - it's rarity, construction, aesthetics etc and so long as someone can afford it, who really cares what they buy? We're only here for a short time and there's no do-overs, so I say so long as it's not hurting anyone else do whatever makes you happy 2
alistairm Posted March 18, 2014 Author Posted March 18, 2014 Nobody wants to believe that the bits of wire we connect our gear with make a difference. They're just carrying a signal or power. So as long as those get through how can it possibly make a difference? Add to that the "I can't understand / there is no scientific explanation" and the very natural psychological defence mechanism that what we can afford is the end of the line in terms of diminishing returns, and there are some people who will not accept that cables can make a difference, no matter what. They're the lucky ones and can save their money... although I do wonder why so many of them insist on dying in the trenches to save us flat earther cable believers from ourselves! In my experience, power cables, interconnects, speaker cables and digital cables are all capable of influencing the sound coming out of the speakers. I don't even care if it is psychosomatic or I can't tell the difference in a DBT; as long as my brain is telling me it sounds better I'm happy. I do know that I used to think people who drove BMW's and Mercedes were mad, because my Subaru was the most expensive vehicle available before the law of diminishing returns made anything more expensive irrational. Now that I'm older, and have a few more $ stashed away, I still think Subaru are great cars but I drive one of those more expensive ones I used to pooh pooh, and don't miss my Subie at all. Similarly, I could never understand why someone would fork out so much more money to sit in business class for a 20 hour flight to Europe, given that you end up in the same place in economy. Now I fly business class even for short flights. I believe there are still things that are true that science can't yet properly explain. To name a couple, the placebo effect and Fabio Benedetti's experiments with morphine and saline; or why Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 are accelerating as they "drift" into deep space. I think it's safe to say that while we're at the pinnacle of our species' scientific development, our knowledge of physics today will be considered deeply primitive in only 100 or so years. I may be wrong, but I expect as science improves we'll have a better understanding of why some cables sound different in an audio system. So, my humble request is that cable non-believers save the debate for The Great Debate forums, and leave the power and cable forums as somewhere where us believers can discuss our flash cables without arguments about their effectiveness! @@CryptiK - none of the above is aimed at you mate, these are purely general observations. 8
vmhf Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 After a week in your system how are the Statements shaping up Al? 1
analog brother Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 al - bmw drivers are indeed a unique breed...
alistairm Posted March 19, 2014 Author Posted March 19, 2014 I loved my chipped 335i mate... a helluva an engine that N54.
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