MAS MH370 KL-Beijing B777 Lost with Likely All Souls

[alittlewino]

all over the news and so sad and as a keen flyer my heart goes out - very very unlikely any survivors 6 Aussies with 4in Brissie as far as I can tell

 

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-mh370-contact-lost-9.html

[Soundscape]

Very sad news. It must be horrible for those who do not know of the condition of their loved ones.

[mikizee]

I have been following the news and updates all day as I've flown on Malaysia Airlines a number of times, and actually will be flying to Malaysia via the airline in a couple of weeks.

 

The plane vanished off the radar when it reached 35,000 ft, in clear weather. No radio messages, nothing. A very safe plane and a very safe airline.

 

And now it has just been revealed that an Italian person who was listed on the passenger list has come forward saying he wasn't on the flight and that his passport was stolen last year in Thailand. 

 

Really does sound like a terror attack.

[Saxon Hall]

Earlier on I was reading that it would likely be a sudden catastrophic de pressurisation (which would likely tie in to a terrorist act)

[lusk]

I have been following the news and updates all day as I've flown on Malaysia Airlines a number of times, and actually will be flying to Malaysia via the airline in a couple of weeks.

 

The plane vanished off the radar when it reached 35,000 ft, in clear weather. No radio messages, nothing. A very safe plane and a very safe airline.

 

And now it has just been revealed that an Italian person who was listed on the passenger list has come forward saying he wasn't on the flight and that his passport was stolen last year in Thailand. 

 

Really does sound like a terror attack.

 

I would guess its had a structural defect that broke it apart when it reached height, not a terrorist attack. 

[mello yello]

two stolen passports, one Italian one Austrian, both males, both early thirties, both caucasian, both passports reported stolen in Thailand recently

 

question i have is, regardless of suspicion of foul play, how can two stolen passports board a plane ?

[Batty]

Curiouser and curiouser

[Orpheus]

two stolen passports, one Italian one Austrian, both males, both early thirties, both caucasian, both passports reported stolen in Thailand recently

 

question i have is, regardless of suspicion of foul play, how can two stolen passports board a plane ?

You mean how can two people carrying stolen passports use them to board a plane?

 

That is an intriguing question. After all, if the passports had been reported stolen (and we assume that they were?), then why is it possible to use them at all?

[mello yello]

thats what Im asking, how ?

 

and yes, according to reports they were both reported stolen

 

Contributing to fears of foul play was word from foreign ministries in Italy and Austria that the names of two citizens listed on the flight's manifest matched the names on two passports reported stolen in Thailand.

 

Italy's Foreign Ministry said an Italian man who was listed as being a passenger, Luigi Maraldi, was travelling in Thailand and was not aboard the plane. It said he reported his passport stolen last August.

[alittlewino]

have a read of the thread I linked - now it's reached 30 pages of speculation - it makes reference to false passports not being unusual in a small %age.

[Saxon Hall]

You mean how can two people carrying stolen passports use them to board a plane?

 

That is an intriguing question. After all, if the passports had been reported stolen (and we assume that they were?), then why is it possible to use them at all?

Because it seems the Airlines do not cross reference the list of stolen and suspect Passports from Interpols list. Frightening stuff

 

The revelation that at least two of the passengers used passports that had been listed by Interpol following their thefts in Thailand in 2012 and 2013 has highlighted a major vulnerability in airline security, sparking fears that hundreds of millions of international passengers travel un-screened for fraudulent or lost documents.

"Whilst it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane, it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol's databases," the agency’s secretary-general, Ronald K. Noble, said.

Even though Interpol has sounded the alarm about passport fraud for years, the agency says people have managed to board flights a billion times without having their passports checked, AP reports.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/10/00/05/malaysia-says-plane-may-have-turned-back

[Saxon Hall]

The latest Press Conference from Malaysia has just stated that no wreckage has been found thus far. Nothing confirmed at all , which is a very surprising revelation for such a large sophisticated aircraft to just disappear.

Also 5 checked-in passegers did not fly and it has been confirmed that their baggage was removed prior to take off.

 

[tuyen]

http://naturalguru.co/six-important-facts-youre-told-lost-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/?fb_action_ids=10153101048147316&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B1415053248745443%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.likes%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

[MusicOne]

The search goes on for Flight 370, There has been some wild speculation. I'd just like to pass on to members, a story I heard on a late night talk-back radio programme about three years ago, now. The caller...a middle aged (or older) woman going by her voice...related an incident which occurred to her when she was in her late teens. 

 

She was travelling with her family on a holiday trip in the late 1950s. They were driving along the Pacific Highway towards the town of Taree (NSW). It was early evening and there was a dreadful storm raging....raining very heavily....and as they were driving , they saw a sign which read...Hotel...next right....so the father decided to try to get some rooms for the night. They pulled in to what looked like a very old fashioned but well preserved hotel. At reception, they were greeted by an elderly couple who were very pleasant and went out of their way to see to their comfort. The father informed the hotel owners that they intended to be on their way early in the morning and they wouldn't require breakfast, so he settled the bill before the family retired for the night.

 

What was so surprising to all of them, was the condition of the rooms.....everything was so old fashioned and antiquated...even the light switches were of a type that the father and mother hadn't seen for many a year. The bathroom....down the hallway...was also antiquated, with fittings, taps, baths, showers and the like, of a type that none of them had ever seen. 

 

So they retired for the night and, as planned, they got away early the following morning. They decided to stop for breakfast at a roadside diner, not too for up the highway from where they had spent the night.  After ordering and while having a chat to the owners of the diner, the topic of the old hotel came up....the father asked the owners about the place because he was curious about the antiquated fittings and furnishings, etc.  

 

The couple who owned the diner looked at him in amazement.....they said something like...'do you mean the old hotel off to the right, a few miles back down the road?' ....well yes! said the father. Apparently there was a long pause, while the couple behind the counter just stared at him. After a few moments or so owners recovered themselves and then made a statement that the woman caller said, shook the family to the core...."That hotel burnt down about 10 years before the War (WW2)"

 

For what it is worth, the woman caller sounded completely genuine and totally convincing....it took me quite a while to get back to sleep, that night.

 

Can there be such a thing, as a time warp?  

[Nada]

The latest Press Conference from Malaysia has just stated that no wreckage has been found thus far. Nothing confirmed at all , which is a very surprising revelation for such a large sophisticated aircraft to just disappear....

 

Yep it can seem incomprehensible that a 777 can just disappear in this day and age.

 

I wonder if we get fooled by our senses? When we see a 777 it seems huge. How could it just disappear? 

 

A little consideration of the vastness of the  ocean is sobering.

 

Consider how you would go finding a model of a 777 in an Olympic pool (50 metres in length) scaled to size for the Gulf of Thailand (some 500km across).

 

The model would just be  6.5mm long intact but imagine someone smashing it in bits to stimulate the crash before tossing it in the pool.

Then think of the ocean hundred of meters deep, with mud and undulations on the floor and with the sea littered by thousand of pieces of rubbish. 

 

Little wonder it took over 600 days to find the Air France Airbus that went down in a stall off Brazil.

 

It turns out all the sophisticated tracking and searching technology isnt that good.

 

Its possible the Malaysia 777 went down in a stall too. I reckon if they find it in less then two years they are doing OK.  

Edited March 11, 2014 by Nada

[Nada]

Can there be such a thing, as a time warp?  

 

yes its possible -  anything is "possible" in imagination

 

Im curious why you would entertain such a magical explanation?

 

So I have a few serious questions for you please:

 

- how often have you had such an outlandish experience first hand

 

- do you take drugs

 

- why would you  give any credence to a late night talk back show

[Art Vandelay]

yes its possible -  anything is "possible" in imagination

 

Im curious why you would entertain such a magical explanation?

 

 

 

You obviously prefer this one:

 

http://nationalreport.net/aliens-abduct-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/

[MusicOne]

yes its possible -  anything is "possible" in imagination

 

Im curious why you would entertain such a magical explanation?

 

So I have a few serious questions for you please:

 

- how often have you had such an outlandish experience first hand

 

- do you take drugs

 

- why would you  give any credence to a late night talk back show

 

Well, at the time, it just struck me that the woman was not making it up....it is a way-out story, I'll have to admit but for what it is worth, I believed her. 

 

I'm not normally a gullible type.

 

I occasionally take paracetamol if I have a headache....

[Art Vandelay]

Well, at the time, it just struck me that the woman was not making it up....it is a way-out story, I'll have to admit but for what it is worth, I believed her. 

 

I'm not normally a gullible type.

 

I occasionally take paracetamol if I have a headache....

 

 

Fwiw, I liked the story M1. 

 

However, I'm more inclined to believe that the remains of MH370 are hiding somewhere on the ocean floor.  

 

As to a cause, it could be pilot error or terrorism, although I'll be surprised if Adam Bandt doesn't issue a special media release to tell us that climate change is responsible.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Art Vandelay

[Nada]

...... I'll be surprised if Adam Bandt doesn't issue a special media release to tell us that climate change is responsible.

 

Now your just being silly.

 

The plane obviously slipped into a space time discontiuum eddy caused by Tony Abbut's logic fail.

[Art Vandelay]

Now your just being silly.

 

The plane obviously slipped into a space time discontiuum eddy caused by Tony Abbut's logic fail.

 

 

So he's stopping the planes now too!

[Guest Willow]

Yep it can seem incomprehensible that a 777 can just disappear in this day and age.

 

I wonder if we get fooled by our senses? When we see a 777 it seems huge. How could it just disappear? 

 

A little consideration of the vastness of the  ocean is sobering.

 

Consider how you would go finding a model of a 777 in an Olympic pool (50 metres in length) scaled to size for the Gulf of Thailand (some 500km across).

 

The model would just be  6.5mm long intact but imagine someone smashing it in bits to stimulate the crash before tossing it in the pool.

Then think of the ocean hundred of meters deep, with mud and undulations on the floor and with the sea littered by thousand of pieces of rubbish. 

 

Little wonder it took over 600 days to find the Air France Airbus that went down in a stall off Brazil.

 

It turns out all the sophisticated tracking and searching technology isnt that good.

 

Its possible the Malaysia 777 went down in a stall too. I reckon if they find it in less then two years they are doing OK.  

 

Some good points there , Nada -  it required a naval sub and it's acute sonar to locate the French Airbus in the end. 

 

Not sure about the stall , this thing was @ 35,000 , plenty of time for a mayday.

 

The media don't seem to be pushing the fact that Subang Air Traffic Control had lost contact with the aircraft at 01:22 and only notified Malaysia Airlines at 02:40 either. 

[mello yello]

gents could be interested in the similarities between this and AF447

 

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/vanishing-planes-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-draws-comparisons-to-air-france-disaster-1.1723262

 

AF447 was found within 5 days, it was the flight recorders and black boxes that took years to recover

 

both planes were at 35000 cruising altitude

 

AF447 crew did not even realise they were in danger till 45 seconds before impact, hardly time to make mayday calls

 

this will be revealed to be a tragic combination of accidental events, no conspiracies other than newspapers doing what they do best, sell newspapers

 

 

more info on AF447 before the facts become distorted into a good story

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

[alittlewino]

game-changer - some of the withheld info is starting to surface

edit: see Pete Mac's post below (to not repeat)

 

 

 

 

somebody posted possible location zone with 6hrs fuel travelling at 450knots and also to run dry - this could take a while to find

 

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=PEK,+KUL,+&R=2100nm%406%B0+56%27+12N+103%B0+35%27+6E,+2600nm%406%B0+56%27+12N+103%B0+35%27+6E&MS=wls&MR=600&MX=540x540&PM=*&PC=%23ff0000&RC=%23000080

Edited March 11, 2014 by alittlewino

[pete_mac]

VERY interesting if this is indeed accurate!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311

Edit: d'oh - simultaneous post!!!

Edited March 11, 2014 by pete_mac