Antripodean Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) The group buy for Acoustic Elegance (AE) drivers is now on! web: www.aespeakers.com In case you are not aware, AE make some of the best drivers in the world, suitable for both home and pro audio use. Each driver is hand made to exacting specifications to produce the lowest inductance drivers available. The results are incredibly low distortion. http://www.aespeakers.com/Lambda001-1.php The price list is here. All drivers on the price list are included in the group buy. The AV15 is soon to be available but will cost $799 each. Our aim in the group buy is to exceed 25 and hopefully 50 drivers to bring a great price to those involved. There is a closing date and this will be enforced so this doesn't drag out. You need to be aware that all drivers are made to order. Hence, once the group buy closes the drivers will be made. This typically takes 4 weeks. You will need to pay for the drivers at the end of the group buy period. (AE will send a paypal invoice) Freight will be charged separately once the drivers are manufactured. Freight options are airfreight direct or sea freight on a pallet into Melbourne. The latter saves a lot of money but will be subject to GST on arrival (as will airfreight if your order value exceeds $1000). Sea freight is typically 3-4 weeks. All drivers are shipped at sale value so they can be insured. What you need to do: (send me a PM with the following) AE Driver order Email address Street Address Contact phone number Freight preference If you have any questions about the drivers it will help everyone if they are answered in this thread. Let the good times begin! ADMIN EDIT: This Group Buy is StereoNET approved. All customers will be dealing with and paying the manufacturer direct. Edited March 20, 2014 by Antripodean 1
Antripodean Posted March 5, 2014 Author Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) RESERVED FOR ORDERS 3 x TD6M-A 3 x TD10S-A 4 x TD8X-A 5 x TD15H+ -A 4(possibly 10) x 18" PR's 2 x TD15H+ 4 x TD18H+ 2x SPB152x TD15H 25 DRIVERS ORDERED 2 x TD12M 2 x IB15HT 4ohm 2 x SPB15 4ohm 2 x TD15H2 x TD6M 35 DRIVERS ORDERED 2 x TD15H 2 x TD10H-4ohm 2 x TD6M 8ohm 2 x TD18H+ 2x TD15M 45 DRIVERS ORDERED :eek: 2 x Dipole 6 4 x TD15X WE ARE AT 51 DRIVERS NEXT STOP 100! Edited March 31, 2014 by Antripodean
lusk Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 I am considering a few SBP15's does the Apollo upgrade change any of the TS parameters?
Guest Peter the Greek Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 Good news is John is happy to add my order to the mix for this. That'll be: 3 x TD6M-A 3 x TD10S-A 4 x TD8X-A 5 x TD15H+ -A 4(possibly 10) x 18" PR's ....ordered my Tweeters for the LCR's yesterday too (Mundorf AMT164UM2.1's)
davewantsmoore Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Does the Apollo upgrade change any of the TS parameters? No (EDIT: AFAIUI, I wouldn't want to speak for John). He has also said, it's not very worthwhile for low excursion. Edited March 5, 2014 by davewantsmoore
davewantsmoore Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 AV15 is soon to be available but will cost $799 each 0_o Oh. Snap. Decision time.
henry218 Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 I am considering a few SBP15's does the Apollo upgrade change any of the TS parameters? if you are not planning to play those drivers above 110db, i dont see the reason for apollo upgrade put me down for 2x SPB15 2x TD15H cheers Henry
davewantsmoore Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 SBP15 --- if you are not planning to play those drivers above 110db, i dont see the reason for apollo upgrade This depends very heavily on what HPF frequency/slope.
Guest Peter the Greek Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Its only a hundred bucks.......just do it
Antripodean Posted March 6, 2014 Author Posted March 6, 2014 Just a quick update. Posted link to current price list showing the price break for 25 and 50 total driver orders. Sea freight time is also down to 1 month, not 3 months. The sooner we have firm orders, the better the lead time will be as AE will be able to plan ahead for our production run I have also invited John from AE to post if we have questions he is best answering. Right now we have 23 drivers ordered so only 2 more orders and we are into the first celebration zone!
Guest Peter the Greek Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Just an FYI on shipping - 17 boxes fedex to my door US$900
Antripodean Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Parameters for the TD15H+(PLUS) 8 are here:Fs: 22hzQms: 5Vas: 363LCms: .35Mms: 150gXmax 18mmSd: 855sqcmQes: .21Re: 6.5ohmLe: .3mHBl: 25TmPe: 1000wQts: .211W SPL: 94.5dBThe woofer also uses a stiffer paper cone and a larger 1" roll santoprene surround instead of the foam surround. This is not the standard TD15H and is more suited as a subwoofer. Edited March 10, 2014 by Antripodean
Antripodean Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 ****The NEW AV15 coming March 2014****Nearly 5 years in the making, the new AV woofers represent our best effort at a no compromise, high excursion, low distortion driver made here in America.Working within the limitations found in readily available Chinese frames was just no longer an option. Rather than being confined within those limits or pay a fortune for tooling, a new frame concept was developed. This modular or "FLEX frame" concept allows flexibility by changing individual rings or spokes allowing the frame to better meet a specific need. This allows for parts to be CNC machined locally to exact tolerances that cannot be realized by traditional casting processes.Hand spinning aluminum cones in house also allows flexibility to create cones with a specific mass required simply by changing the thickness of the raw aluminum. The spinning process tempers and strengthens the cones so they are far superior to any imported aluminum cones available. Every cone is then hand sanded and anodized locally.To match up with the aluminum cones, a santoprene surround was chosen for its chemical, temperature, and moisture resistance. After a few vendor changes the best solution proved to be forming the surrounds in house. Time was spent to develop a thermoformer that would allow these surrounds to be made with the highest tolerances and consistency.A large 1" spacer injection molded here in America was placed between dual mirror imaged spiders. This lowers harmonic distortion by cancelling any spider non-linearity and the dual spiders assure that we can keep an extremely tight gap even with such a high excursion woofer. To give the most flexibility and power handling, thick flat ribbon lead wire is hand sewn to the spider at our facility.Every steel part is machined here in our own facility to incredibly tight tolerances. The parts are then zinc plated locally before assembling the motors in house. During this machining process a full copper sleeve is pressed over the entire pole which linearizes inductance, reduces flux modulation, and pulls heat away from the American made voice coil. The result is an extremely low distortion, high excursion woofer with great heat transfer. I am awaiting parameters and will update once available
henry218 Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Recently Wayne Parnham over at Pi's Speakers discovered an anomaly in TD12S freq response. it was not there when he first designed the TD12S. He tested few of the recent TD12S productions in 2013, all of them have this anomaly, so this is just a heads up for any prospective buyer for TD12S. Wayne uses/d the TD12S as an upgrade for his speakers. cheers henry http://audioroundtable.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&&th=19394&goto=78969#msg_78969
Antripodean Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 Recently Wayne Parnham over at Pi's Speakers discovered an anomaly in TD12S freq response. it was not there when he first designed the TD12S. He tested few of the recent TD12S productions in 2013, all of them have this anomaly, so this is just a heads up for any prospective buyer for TD12S. Wayne uses/d the TD12S as an upgrade for his speakers. Unfortunately Parham was completely wrong in his measurements, not allowing for the fact the driver has a phase plug and not positioning the mic correctly. Hence Parham's "conclusions" are unfounded and incorrect. Parham wont retract this. John at AE has explained the error in detail. In short, no problem with the TD12S 1
henry218 Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Unfortunately Parham was completely wrong in his measurements, not allowing for the fact the driver has a phase plug and not positioning the mic correctly. Hence Parham's "conclusions" are unfounded and incorrect. Parham wont retract this. John at AE has explained the error in detail. In short, no problem with the TD12S well that's good, would you mind post the link for John's explanation? cheers henry
Antripodean Posted March 10, 2014 Author Posted March 10, 2014 well that's good, would you mind post the link for John's explanation? as requested link
henry218 Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) as requested link thanks, i saw that earlier with google help . Wayne is another interesting character, hehe.. but ultimately, John didnt post any recent measurements to fully clear the issue (if there is one), as its almost impossible for Aussie buyers to remedy any manufacturing defect when the products arrives in Australia, i just thought its a good idea to be more cautious Edited March 10, 2014 by henry218
Antripodean Posted March 11, 2014 Author Posted March 11, 2014 Henry, your concerns are unfounded. When you are already aware of Parham's behaviour why would you give it any credence? Did you see the driver measurements done by Augerpro as linked in that thread? I've measured a number of AE drivers and they are the best out there, period. Back to our normal broadcast
henry218 Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Henry, your concerns are unfounded. When you are already aware of Parham's behaviour why would you give it any credence? Did you see the driver measurements done by Augerpro as linked in that thread? I've measured a number of AE drivers and they are the best out there, period. Back to our normal broadcast im not sure if you read my post above, i mentioned that its the 2013 productions, i dont know which specific period in 2013 though. It could be wrong measurements conditions or it could be faulty drivers, i dont know and it was not clarify by either party. the augerpro's measurements was done long time ago. As you know AE orders the parts by batch, they dont have large inventory of their parts to build the drivers. Edited March 11, 2014 by henry218
Antripodean Posted March 11, 2014 Author Posted March 11, 2014 im not sure if you read my post above, i mentioned that its the 2013 productions, i dont know which specific period in 2013 though. It could be wrong measurements conditions or it could be faulty drivers, i dont know and it was not clarify by either party. the augerpro's measurements was done long time ago. I read your post. No one else has a problem with AE drivers except Parham. Driver parameters have not changed since they were first built. All drivers are tested before shipping. Hence, I do not share your concerns. 1
davewantsmoore Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) I do not share your concerns. Agree Edited March 11, 2014 by davewantsmoore
Guest Peter the Greek Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 weeks lead time I am told. I am in no rush, but just an FYI
Antripodean Posted March 11, 2014 Author Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Here are parameters for the TD8M and TD8X TD8X-8 Fs: 57hz Qms:3.9 Vas: 15L Cms: .3mm/N Mms: 26g Rms: 2.4kg/s Xmax: 8mm Xmech: 12mm Sd: 190sqcm Qes: .33 Re: 6.7 LE: .15mH Z:8ohm Bl: 13.8Tm Qts: .3 1W SPL: 91.4dB 2.8V: 92.1dB TD8M-8 Fs: 76hz Qms: 7.9 Vas: 11.3L Cms: .22mm/N Mms: 20g Rms: 1.2kg/s Xmax: 4mm Sd: 190sqcm Qes: .27 Re: 6.7ohm Le: .15mH Z: 8ohm Bl: 15.5Tm PE: 300W Qts: .26 1WSPL: 94.7dB 2.8V: 95.5dB They would be $249 each in single quantity. Further savings in the group buy Edited March 11, 2014 by Antripodean
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