Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 ......I read this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/tim-cook-to-climate-change-deniers-get-out-of-apple-stock-20140303-33uka.html I now have a new respect for the brand. 5
wolster Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Thanks Zaph. I was also unaware of this commitment. Good stuff.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted March 3, 2014 Author Posted March 3, 2014 It is fabulous to see such a powerful individual and organisation standing up to the evil bastards intent on destroying this planet. 1
firefly0071 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 What's so ideological in using a more sustainable energy source?
Addicted to music Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 So Zaph, does that mean you are going to buy and used the product? As far as Im concern, some of there product such as the Apple Mac Air and pro are really market leaders in battery performance. The latest mac pro is tiny and impressive but bloody expensive! I love my apple mac, it may not do somethings i was spoilt with windows but the finess of features that you use....what can I say!
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted March 3, 2014 Author Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) It's not the features (bling, really) of Apple products that appeal to me. The problem I have with Apple, is the way they: * Don't allow battery replacements for many of their products. * Don't allow easy connection to other products. * Force users into using cloud computing. * Stick it to users for the Apple Store products. Edited March 3, 2014 by Zaphod Beeblebrox 4
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 3, 2014 Volunteer Posted March 3, 2014 What's so ideological in using a more sustainable energy source? very good question
Decky Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 The only problem is that companies in general behave like politicians - they will be for or against an issue only if they see a clear benefit out of it. In this case they see a predominant support for solving climate change problem among the demographic group who they aim to win as customers - they plot themselves as "concerned for the climate" so they can win more customers, larger market share and bigger profit. At the end of the day - that is what is all about - the P word. The point is - who gives a shoe what Apple or any other company thinks about the climate? What matters is what companies do and especially the ones that are in the business of polluting this planet. Also, there is nothing "evil" in poluting the planet - it is just how the business is run these days - again, it is all about the profit. 1
TP1 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 What's so ideological in using a more sustainable energy source? The point is that they are doing this in a way that reduces profits rather than adding to their bottom line. It shows real commitment. Most companies would only take these initiatives if they could make money out if it or if they were forced to.
davewantsmoore Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 The only problem is that companies in general behave like politicians - they will be for or against an issue only if they see a clear benefit out of it. +1 It is fabulous to see such a powerful individual and organisation standing up to the evil bastards intent on destroying this planet. +1 (my next comment notwithstanding) The point is that they are doing this in a way that reduces profits rather than adding to their bottom line. I have seen a number of detailed analysis' of Apple's move to renewable energy (datacentres are my profession) which show that this is (very much) not true. It does take short term investment (which many without the resources can't justify), but the payoff appears to be huge.
BATMAQN Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Apple except their phones they need to make a bigger one for these old eyes and big fingers
davewantsmoore Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) The problem I have with Apple, is the way they There is another perspective to this. Don't allow battery replacements for many of their products The battery is warranted to be fine for 1000 (or more) charge cycles ... and I don't see it as too far of a stretch to accept that user replaceable batteries needed to be sacrificed for the form of the product(s). I might agree that this was a problem if battery 'death' was as much of a problem as it were 10 years ago. If you need additional battery (for longer runtime), then you can add an external one (which avoids the isses of needing a "hotswapable" battery - which only very few business class laptops actually offer) * Don't allow easy connection to other products Can you provide an example? Apple were the first to market with USB, Thunderbolt, firewire. If you are citing examples of companies who do not provide software for Mac systems, then this is hardly Apples 'fault'. FWIW - I bought home a HP printer last week. Switched it on. Hit print on my Mac, and the printer was there as an option automagically (on all my computers). This is rarely the normal experience on other operating systems. Force users into using cloud computing You're not forced into anything. You can choose not to enable iCloud if you do not want these features (it is not enabled by default) Edited March 3, 2014 by davewantsmoore 1
Addicted to music Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Not sure whether you can hot swapt the battery on the latest macbook pro like you can on a Dell, but with 7-8hours battery life while surfing the net, its not an issue. its when you run programs like CS6 or lightroom and you are crunching huge RAW files that the fan kicks in because the processor is working overtime.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted March 3, 2014 Author Posted March 3, 2014 There is another perspective to this. The battery is warranted to be fine for 1000 (or more) charge cycles ... and I don't see it as too far of a stretch to accept that user replaceable batteries needed to be sacrificed for the form of the product(s). I might agree that this was a problem if battery 'death' was as much of a problem as it were 10 years ago. Apple warrants batteries for 1 year. Whilst this is an acceptable period, I find it unnacceptable that batteries are not easily replaceable. Li-Ion batteries are somewhat more reliable than NiCads, but they still require replacement. FWIW: I tend to keep my cellular 'phones for around 4-5 years. This means I end up replacing batteries, regardless of brand. If you need additional battery (for longer runtime), then you can add an external one (which avoids the isses of needing a "hotswapable" battery - which only very few business class laptops actually offer) Not the point, but you bring up another good reason for an easily replaceable battery. Can you provide an example? Apple were the first to market with USB, Thunderbolt, firewire. If you are citing examples of companies who do not provide software for Mac systems, then this is hardly Apples 'fault'. Apple were not the first to market with USB. That honour lies in the PC world. When I want to run my $200.00 Aldi tablet through the TV, I use a $20.00 HDMI cable. Same deal with a Sammy tablet. Can't do that with an iPad. You have to shell out for more Apple crap, at far higher prices. Connectivity with Apple products leaves a great deal to be desired. Thankfully, Apple FINALLY adopted USB. Took 'em a long time though. FWIW - I bought home a HP printer last week. Switched it on. Hit print on my Mac, and the printer was there as an option automagically (on all my computers). This is rarely the normal experience on other operating systems. Since Windows XP (even Vista, probably), installing printers on PCs is a completely automated procedure. Connect, wait a few seconds, print. It's that simple. Windows 7 is evern easier. Dunno about Windows 8. I'm waiting for Windows 9. You're not forced into anything. You can choose not to enable iCloud if you do not want these features (it is not enabled by default) OK. I've been misinformed.
MrRogers Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) ......I read this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/tim-cook-to-climate-change-deniers-get-out-of-apple-stock-20140303-33uka.html I now have a new respect for the brand. Excellent, Zaphod.We've waited a very long time for this day. No doubt, now, that your next computer/tablet/mobile will be an Apple product. Edited March 3, 2014 by MrRogers
Addicted to music Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 There is one thing about Apple that is ahead of the rest: built quality, reliability 1
davewantsmoore Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Apple warrants batteries for 1 year. Apple considers batteries which have less than 80% capacity after 1000 cycles as "defective", and will replace them regardless of age. Apple were not the first to market with USB. That honour lies in the PC world. This is technically correct, but being the first machines to market with USB 1.1, they certainly led the way in pushing it's mainstream adoption (it has only USB ports, and abandoned all the previous standards). USB ports in PCs at the time were extremely uncommon except as add-in cards (I was doing endless PC swaps at the time, it's burnt into my brain) Thankfully, Apple FINALLY adopted USB. Took 'em a long time though. What? Come on. This is quite ignorant. I was around in the late 90s too. When I want to run my $200.00 Aldi tablet through the TV, I use a $20.00 HDMI cable. Same deal with a Sammy tablet. Can't do that with an iPad. You have to shell out for more Apple crap, at far higher prices. Oh dear I'm going to sound like an apple evangelist now. My sister rang me very annoyed that her Samsung Tab 10.1 did not come with such a cable either (or have an HDMI port). She had to purchase a Samsung proprietary plug to HDMI cable. The Samsung branded cable is $38, or $5 from eBay. Like you say ... You CAN do that with an iPad. The Apple branded cable is $48, or $5 from eBay. (Sound familiar?!, just like my sisters Samsung tablet) Apple have a wireless method to connect iPad to TV. This is the option they push (for better or worse). Yes, there are tablets and phones with HDMI ... but the actual use of HDMI ports on tablets is pretty uncommon IME - but that's just me. I own the cable, but why would I use one if I can just wirelessly display my iPad on the TV (of course, I'm not trying to be disingenuous, the cable obviously exists for a reason) OK. I've been misinformed. Pretty roundly. I deal with people daily using different operating systems who are playing in the same park together ... and this sort of thing a frighteningly common, even from people who should really know better. I think it mostly comes from what they read on the net, or what their friends tell them. Hence my postings.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted March 3, 2014 Author Posted March 3, 2014 Points made, though I still dispute your USB comments. I think Apple rely on ignorance when selling their products. One of my mates proudly proclaimed that he ordered 8GB of RAM with his iMac. It cost him $800.00. I could buy the same RAM for my PC for $180.00.
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 3, 2014 Volunteer Posted March 3, 2014 Points made, though I still dispute your USB comments. I think Apple rely on ignorance when selling their products. One of my mates proudly proclaimed that he ordered 8GB of RAM with his iMac. It cost him $800.00. I could buy the same RAM for my PC for $180.00. Yes but is it really $180 when you factor in the true environmental cost of the PC's RAM?
davewantsmoore Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I think Apple rely on ignorance when selling their products. One of my mates proudly proclaimed that he ordered 8GB of RAM with his iMac. It cost him $800.00. I could buy the same RAM for my PC for $180.00. It is identical RAM to what goes in PCs. You can buy the RAM for $180 and install it in your Apple computer yourself (without voiding its warranty) I still dispute your USB comments You shouldn't. Apple was widely criticised for abandoning all their existing standards to release the iMac G3 which has only USB ports... They did this at a time when there was basically zero available USB devices (most of the problem for people), and when the standard was having quite a few problems (the release coincided with v1.1 fixes). Dell released models which includes USB as standard this year too (1998) however they were hardly 'basic' models ..... quite few PCs included USB ports (as standard) until Intel integrated it into their motherboard infrastructure / chipset in late 2001.
henry218 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 apple is the benchmark of top consumer computing . i bought 8gb ram for apple just $85 from OWC, and i changed SSD in my macbook pro15 2010 last year with Samsung 840, everything was a breeze. as for any computers they will have some issues at some point, but coming from fujitsu laptop $1000 that only last for 1 yr, my mac is still going strong, and its waterproof also as my wife dump about half of 600ml water bottle to my keyboard, aside from 2wks drying time, i dont need to spend anything 1
davewantsmoore Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 apple is the benchmark of top consumer computing Subjective.... although I think most peoples problems disappear when they realise that they are not restricted to running Apple operating system software. If you use Windows, then buying an Apple computer + a copy of Microsoft Windows, is a very viable option. It does not compete in the 'budget computer' market, so if you want cheap and cheerful then Apple is not right. I feel bad now... This thread was supposed to be about the adapting clean energy.
Addicted to music Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I feel bad now... This thread was supposed to be about the adapting clean energy. Its OK, all is forgiven, we know you are a Apple rep... 1
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