Allan Posted November 19, 2024 Posted November 19, 2024 14 hours ago, bob_m_54 said: I work for a US multinational who at one point supplied Wilson Audio with alloy enclosures to house their xovers in, they then filled the enclosure with an elastomer based resin. 1
MrBurns84 Posted November 20, 2024 Posted November 20, 2024 (edited) 14 hours ago, POV said: Well it's pretty clear that they don't respect themselves. There is no excuse for that mess. I was told years (back in 2011) ago that this was deliberately done to cancel out noise in the case and be simple to service by the manufacturer. Edited November 20, 2024 by MrBurns84 2
aussievintage Posted November 20, 2024 Posted November 20, 2024 1 hour ago, MrBurns84 said: I was told years (back in 2011) ago that this was deliberately done to cancel out noise in the case and be simple to service by the manufacturer. There is more than a little truth in that. Bird's nest point to point wiring, is much less prone to problems like noise, crosstalk, and oscillation. Avoiding parallel runs is always a good idea (even when designing circuit boards). Also, yes, it isn't particularly difficult to service, often a lot easier than circuit boards where the reverse side is hard to access, for example. However, it can be done more prettily than the photo, at first glance, suggests. 2
SONDEKNZ Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 On 19/11/2024 at 5:05 PM, metal beat said: Me either But there is not much inside the large Tron 7 phono box I have absolutely no issue with spacious components - as shown above. Beautifully assembled, displaying the very best of layout and build housekeeping - twisted pairs, etc. ; Plenty of ground partitioning to reduce hums and improve sonics; Heavy enough to use baby's arm interconnects and power cords - if that's your thang - without having to wrestle with cramped-together inputs; Centre-mounted PCB to better support tube install pressures; Through-hole componentry for best heat handling and easy component replacement; Plenty of room to work - with spare real estate to add subsequent options and modifications; All in an enclosure that beautifully matches the rest of this brand's family of components. A winning formula! 3
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted December 3, 2024 Volunteer Posted December 3, 2024 I expect this will backfire on Mr Evans 1 1 2
SONDEKNZ Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 3 hours ago, sir sanders zingmore said: "I expect this will backfire on Mr Evans..." Evidently, Mr. Evans has been successful in having had this video banned from YouTube on the grounds of breach of copyright. Pretty lame, if you ask me - particularly when allegedly Mr. Evans had previously refused to repair the flagship unit - forcing the repairer to reverse engineer the thing, in order to remedy the fairly simple fault. Bollocks all round, IMHO. MEND IT MARK remains the real hero of the story. 5 1
PKay Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 6 minutes ago, SONDEKNZ said: MEND IT MARK remains the real hero of the story. I agree, a very impressive repair and extremely disappointing that the manufacturer didn't repair it. 3
Bass13 Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 (edited) I'm not a phono expert, but after looking at the inside of that phono, wanted to see what mine has inside "pictures from the web of my unit"..... which cost way, less than £25K. I've had it for around 8 years and haven't wanted to upgrade it since, is there better phono stages out there...…for sure, there's also a great deal worse too...that's it for me in the phono stage area, till death duo us part. Edited December 4, 2024 by Bass13 4
SONDEKNZ Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 15 minutes ago, Bass13 said: I'm not a phono expert, but after looking at the inside of that phono, wanted to see what mine has inside..... which cost way, less than £25K. I've had it for around 8 years and haven't wanted to upgrade it since, is there better phono stages out there...…for sure, there's also a great deal worse too...that's it for me in the phono stage area, till death duo as part. Very nice! 2
Anodecap Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 The sheer number of tantalum capacitors in the Tom Evans preamp was a nightmare. Not good if one has to pay for future repairs. I learned the technique used by Mend it Mark in regards to using the infra-red thermometer to find the tantalum that was loading down the supply rail by its heat signature. Used it to fix a faulty DBX expander which was also full of Tantalums. This topic has come in handy. 6
SONDEKNZ Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 (edited) Yet still, designers seem to revert to TANTIES for their space-saving attributes and their unique sound signature. But I don't see them as bulletproof and reliable as their reputation might suggest... Edited December 4, 2024 by SONDEKNZ
aussievintage Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 1 minute ago, SONDEKNZ said: Yet still, designers seem to revert to TANTIES for their unique sound signature. I thought you meant Tantrums at first! 1 4
SonicArt Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 Well they certainly have a unique sound signature (both types ) 1
evil c Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 1 hour ago, Bass13 said: I'm not a phono expert, but after looking at the inside of that phono, wanted to see what mine has inside..... which cost way, less than £25K. I've had it for around ..that's it for me in the phono stage area, till death duo us part. Looks like you need another phono, to make up a "Duo" Sam !
audiofeline Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 Well, I'm glad that I saw it before Evans pulled the video. Because of this he can be assured that I'm not going to buy one of his products ! (putting aside the fact that I can't afford the outrageous rrp for them). I hope this thought "that after I watched the video I was inspired by the copyrighted information shared illegally to solder 1,000's of replicas in my shed and sell them on Temu out of spite" will contribute to his insomnia. 1
aussievintage Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 5 minutes ago, audiofeline said: solder 1,000's of replicas in my shed No way. Why copy such an inept design? 1
ENIGMA Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 4 hours ago, aussievintage said: I thought you meant Tantrums at first! Lots of tantrums now by the look of it. And a few toys on the floor next to the pram. 2
Almaz Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 Totally my bad. I think the Tom Evans phono stage, whilst certainly not shown in its best light in the video (which I thoughtfully enjoyed the craftsmanship of the repairer ) there is quite a bit of electrical engineering gone into making that phono stage. $25,000 ? I would certainly love to hear how it sounds before I made that decision. Don't mean to ruffle any feathers, just my own opinion. 1
PKay Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 10 minutes ago, Almaz said: Totally my bad. I think the Tom Evans phono stage, whilst certainly not shown in its best light in the video (which I thoughtfully enjoyed the craftsmanship of the repairer ) there is quite a bit of electrical engineering gone into making that phono stage. $25,000 ? I would certainly love to hear how it sounds before I made that decision. Don't mean to ruffle any feathers, just my own opinion. GBP 25,000 = approx A$50k 1
PKay Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 (edited) I wonder what the rules on copyright are in this case? If you could copy the product from that clip you would have to be very talented. Hopefully Tom Evan’s won’t try and sue mend it mark for the negative publicity. Edited December 4, 2024 by PKay
Anodecap Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 5 minutes ago, Almaz said: Totally my bad. I think the Tom Evans phono stage, whilst certainly not shown in its best light in the video (which I thoughtfully enjoyed the craftsmanship of the repairer ) there is quite a bit of electrical engineering gone into making that phono stage. $25,000 ? I would certainly love to hear how it sounds before I made that decision. Don't mean to ruffle any feathers, just my own opinion. I agree here and we should be careful not to bag a small manufacturer with the courage to design, build and market an innovative design. This would have been an expensive and time consuming build and one also has to provide a warranty plus recall the product if required. I would also expect this market to be extremely limited, to be honest many in this market are prepared to spend 2k on a power cable. I have never listened to a 25k phono preamp and cannot see the value, but that's just me. I would spend my money on good pressings and a good ultrasonic record cleaner. We are lucky we have choice and innovative manufacturers, big and small. 3
zenikoy Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 "Mend it Mark" gets an appearance in this story (the £25,000 phono amp doesn't). https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyjvn658n6o 2
PKay Posted December 7, 2024 Posted December 7, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mrkropotkin said: I like his style. I had a look at his web site and he isn’t taking on any more work which isn’t surprising. Edited December 7, 2024 by PKay 1
Tasebass Posted December 7, 2024 Author Posted December 7, 2024 (edited) Got send a link to the above video … Sorry to say all this does is feed well fuelled fire to the hypocrisy “ High End” Audio producers have become… love this hobby but seeing this makes me cringe with embarrassment… just what over the years have I spend my hard earned money on?? Tase. Edited December 7, 2024 by Tasebass 1
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