georgehifi Posted October 6 Posted October 6 (edited) These seem only able to be opened using Windows or Android without any alteration to them being 24/96 "Lossless Flac" From "MotherEarth Klassic" from Germany without quality robbing meta data attached. "HiRes 24-bit/192kHz Lossless FLAC." Source is mainly vinyl, so channel separation especially in the bass is not too good, dynamic range is frightening for free streaming with no ads, up there with the best <2000 "uncompressed CD issues", even the dust clicks and pops sound real. You have to wait a while for this one to load, and it can take a couple of refreshes before it stabilizes. (apple stuff won't open this either in it's original 24/192 lossless flac form if at all) http://server9.streamserver24.com:18910/motherearth.klassik Here's other super detailed, clean and very dynamic ones from MotherEarth "Jazz" at "HiRes 24-bit/192kHz Lossless FLAC." (No meta data just the music) Heard just digital feeds so far, no vinyl as yet like the Kassic above https://motherearth.streamserver24.com/listen/motherearth_jazz/motherearth.jazz And this one also "instrumental" "HiRes 24-bit/192kHz Lossless FLAC." (No meta data just the music) Again you need to start them a couple of times and maybe refresh the link. https://motherearth.streamserver24.com:18920/motherearth.instrumental And this too Mother Earth Rock in "HiRes 24-bit/192kHz Lossless FLAC." (No meta data just the music) Again you need to start them a couple of times and maybe refresh the link. https://motherearth.streamserver24.com/listen/motherearth/motherearth Enjoy Cheers George Edited October 6 by georgehifi 2
georgehifi Posted October 6 Author Posted October 6 (edited) 9 hours ago, muon* said: None of those play on my PC. Is it Windows or Android. (Anything Apple seems to **** itself) Do you get this?? If you do then it's playing, but it takes a few seconds to load up Cheers George Edited October 6 by georgehifi
muon* Posted October 6 Posted October 6 (edited) PC so Windows. Yeah get that but it just plays a fast jumpy sound bite. Edit: OK they are just short sound bytes, bites or whatever., no skin in this, was just curious, prefer CD. Edited October 6 by muon*
georgehifi Posted October 6 Author Posted October 6 (edited) Mine streams very well, but I do have FTTP NBN. After first initial start up hick ups, no dropouts at all, sounds superb, closest thing I've heard to my Meridian 500 Mk11 CD transport which I just prefer still, both feed their digital output whether AES/EBU, Coax or Optical spdif into the MSB Discrete R2R ladder dac. Sounds to me like your NBN is dodgy. Mine is 6ms ping and very steady 55Mbps https://www.speedtest.net/ Cheers George Edited October 6 by georgehifi
georgehifi Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 Anyone here that has got these "24/96 lossless flac" links going, so to help @muon* out with his problem them not opening/playing for him. Cheers George
muon* Posted October 7 Posted October 7 They open and play but they are very short clips. Like I say, was only curious, so help is not something I need with this.
aussievintage Posted October 7 Posted October 7 3 minutes ago, muon* said: They open and play but they are very short clips. Like I say, was only curious, so help is not something I need with this. Just tried the first one. It has been playing for over a minute and seems to be, in fact, streaming continuously. Just tried some others, all work try a different browser - doubt it's the operating system's fault I am using Vivaldi browser under Linux.
georgehifi Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 (edited) 25 minutes ago, aussievintage said: try a different browser - doubt it's the operating system's fault I am using Vivaldi browser under Linux. I'm using Chrome?? No problem with any of them, they play all day once started. Cheers George Edited October 7 by georgehifi
aussievintage Posted October 7 Posted October 7 7 minutes ago, georgehifi said: I'm using Chrome?? No problem with any of them, they play all day once started. Cheers George You stated that Apple won't play it, hence my comment. Also, FYI, there's no delay here, and no having to refresh it multiple times as you reported. It just works.
georgehifi Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 13 minutes ago, aussievintage said: You stated that Apple won't play it, hence my comment. Is muon using Apple?
POV Posted October 7 Posted October 7 (edited) The links work fine. Just as an FYI though, I can see on my DAC the incoming sample rate, and it was sitting on the windows standard 24/48 via USB output. natively when running the 24/192 webs stream. I needed to go into windows settings and adjust to 24/192 output to get it to output at that sample rate. As browsers cannot (I believe) be set to exclusive mode for audio, they can't auto sample rate switch. As have explained elsewhere, for a variety of reasons web browsers are not the best way to stream internet radio if chasing highest fidelity. The idea being suggested, that the meta data somehow reduces audio quality through audio playing software or apps and that a browser is the solution doesn't stack up IMO. Edited October 7 by POV
aussievintage Posted October 7 Posted October 7 6 minutes ago, POV said: The links work fine. Just as an FYI though, I can see on my DAC the incoming sample rate, and it was sitting on the windows standard 24/48 via USB output. natively when running the 24/192 webs stream. I needed to go into windows settings and adjust to 24/192 output to get it to output at that sample rate. As browsers cannot (I believe) be set to exclusive mode for audio, they can't auto sample rate switch. I wouldn't bother with normal Windows drivers and audio subsystems. 7 minutes ago, POV said: As have explained elsewhere, for a variety of reasons web browsers are not the best way to stream internet radio if chasing highest fidelity. I usually feed the URL to something like mpd - moOde under linux. Under Windows, maybe VLC or something might work better than a browser. 8 minutes ago, POV said: The idea being suggested, that the meta data somehow reduces audio quality Yes, another one of those internet myths, but I let it go as George had provided some interesting links for people to try.
POV Posted October 7 Posted October 7 2 minutes ago, aussievintage said: I wouldn't bother with normal Windows drivers and audio subsystems. Me either, but I assume that plenty of unsuspecting folks potentially would? 2 minutes ago, aussievintage said: Yes, another one of those internet myths, but I let it go as George had provided some interesting links for people to try. Really nothing new, Mother Earth has been discussed plenty before: 1
POV Posted October 7 Posted October 7 6 minutes ago, aussievintage said: Actually, those streams show on moOde as Interesting! I wonder why it's at 16/192.
georgehifi Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, aussievintage said: Under Windows, maybe VLC or something might work better than a browser. Tried it just then VLC version 3.2.1.0 It just sat there and did nothing, just like iPad and iPhones do. So uninstalled that version and got what they say is the latest for Win 10 64bit Version 3.0.21 it seems to work as good as Chrome, Plays live 24/96 Lossless Flac without converting buffering/store it into some sort of Apple format. I'll do so more A/B's with Chrome opening those links, no trouble with it, the Klassic playing live with Chrome is sooo dynamic from from barely hearing a whisper to house shaking loud, it's frightening, freaks the missus out. (mind you that's with a big 4 way 20hz to 40khz (ribbon) system not something that's in the kitchen, office or on your head) This is what I'm getting with VLC 3.0.21 "live play" from Mother Earth Klassic at the moment (with nil meta data attached to the music ) Rotel T14 picks it up no problems. I'll report sometime tomorrow how it compares to Chrome, "seems' it's not quite as dynamic, that "could" be the material being played tonight. It's been 30min playing now live, and no dropouts as yet. Cheers George http://server9.streamserver24.com:18910/motherearth.klassik This is from Radio Paradise Main Mix Lossless Flac (no meta data) https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac Edited October 7 by georgehifi
georgehifi Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 (edited) Just downloaded the latest VLC app for my Apple iPhone and iPad it plays the above 24/96 Lossless Flac links (who only knows as what) but the best it can do is send it on to your audio system via Airplay which to me always sounds so so compared to what this is getting me Nowhere near the same quality as the VLC on the Windows based computer in my last post above, you can hear it with the Apple based products as a slightly muted sound & openness with diminished top end and dynamics, probably good for kitchen/office or headphone systems, and it also drops out every minute or so for a second as well. PS: Got this off the net. "AirPlay compresses the audio down to a lossy format AAC before sending it across to the network streaming endpoint" That says to me it's around DAB+ MP4 quality Cheers George Edited October 8 by georgehifi
georgehifi Posted October 9 Author Posted October 9 (edited) On 07/10/2024 at 7:36 PM, georgehifi said: Tried it just then VLC version 3.2.1.0 It just sat there and did nothing, just like iPad and iPhones do. So uninstalled that version and got what they say is the latest for Win 10 64bit Version 3.0.21 it seems to work as good as Chrome, Plays live 24/96 Lossless Flac without converting buffering/store it into some sort of Apple format. I'll do so more A/B's with Chrome opening those links, no trouble with it, the Klassic playing live with Chrome is sooo dynamic from from barely hearing a whisper to house shaking loud, it's frightening, freaks the missus out. (mind you that's with a big 4 way 20hz to 40khz (ribbon) system not something that's in the kitchen, office or on your head) As said I would do, did the switch on the fly A/B's last night between Google Chrome and 32/192 VLC both doing the 24/96 MotherEarth Klassic (none meta data feed) on both to my big system, while sipping on a nice Shiraz. Both are very close to each other, Google Chrome is easier to use, doesn't have all the gadgets that VLC has, that I left at default anyway. But a good CD transport that I have using aes/ebu digital output into the same MSB Discrete R2R dac I used for this a/b, is just ahead still in SQ. But the shock was the iPhone/iPad Airplay' ing are way behind all of them for sound quality, my guess is they're probably converting the uncompressed "Lossless Flac" into Apple's AAC Airplay format which is on par "it's said" with MP4 and DAB+, which is still good for your kitchen/office /headphone or background music system. But not the "serious man cave system" when your in "the chair". Cheers George Edited October 9 by georgehifi 1
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