Can't get TV pic on PJ ???

[mattjtaylor2809]

Hi Everyone,

 

I'd like to think I relatively savvy when it comes to all things home cinema but for the life of me, I can't work out how to get a picture from my Sony TV (55X9500G) to my projector via my receiver.

 

I don't know whether ARC doesn't allow this or there is some kind of resolution issue, but with Foxtel,  BluRay I have no issues, but when I switch inputs to TV (via it's internal tuner connected via arc), I get sound, but no pic?

 

I've tried both ARC & into a non-arc HDMI input & still nothing... I've checked the receiver (Integra DRX-3.1) to ensure its sending a signal via the HDMI "sub" out to the PJ which it is...

 

Any suggestions as every year when the AFL GF is on, I can't use my PJ to watch it...

 

Cheers all

Matt

[betty boop]

1 hour ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

I'd like to think I relatively savvy when it comes to all things home cinema but for the life of me, I can't work out how to get a picture from my Sony TV (55X9500G) to my projector via my receiver.

 

I don't know whether ARC doesn't allow this

arc is audio return channel …so no picture … also the audio is limited often just 2ch sometimes can’t do dts and such

 

1 hour ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

I don't know whether ARC doesn't allow this or there is some kind of resolution issue, but with Foxtel,  BluRay I have no issues, but when I switch inputs to TV (via it's internal tuner connected via arc), I get sound, but no pic?

you need a media player eg appletv and or a fetch tv. what have on tv as sources feed the tv as sources it’s hard baked in for that

 

1 hour ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

I've tried both ARC & into a non-arc HDMI input & still nothing... I've checked the receiver (Integra DRX-3.1) to ensure its sending a signal via the HDMI "sub" out to the PJ which it is...

 

it will not be able to send the picture from the tv

 

normally you use an AVR with dual hdmi outs, most denon and marantz AVR do, not sure on your integra…

 

the dual outs will send audio and video to tv or projector

 

normally you run a media player and or appletv like device to feed audio and video to your tv and projector or both 

 

the arc audio return is for Incase watch tv using sources on tv and want to return audio to AVR to send to multichannel speaker system

 

 

 

 

[betty boop]

 

https://cdn-docs.av-iq.com/dataSheet/DRX-3.1.pdf

 

presumably would feed hdmi out arc to tv and hdmi sub with no arc or cec to projector

 

not sure if integra lets you select hdmi out discretely or sends same signal with a split to both

 

if does a split it will pull back picture on both to lowest common denominator. Ie if tv is 4k and projector 1080p with A 4k source will either get no signal on both with saying non compliant display. Or  1080p on both …due to hdcp

 

if can discretely select hdmi out eg like on denon and marantz. Then can select either and get best each can do, or both and just what hdcp will allow

[mattjtaylor2809]

Okay, that kind of explains why it wasn't working with arc, but when I used HDMI out from the TV into a non arc hdmi input, still not pic?

 

Are you saying that modern smart TV's will not output a picture into an AVR to be distributed to other monitors, PJ's etc...

 

[mattjtaylor2809]

Maybe an issue with the Integra also as when I attempted to connect my 4K Foxtel box, it wouldn't output 4K via the Integra (saying 4K not supported of something along those lines) but if I routed the 4K box through the TV, it was ok?

 

This maybe not connected to the TV issue.

 

If only Fox would have a TV tuner in it, this would solve the issues.

[betty boop]

3 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

Are you saying that modern smart TV's will not output a picture into an AVR to be distributed to other monitors, PJ's etc...

the sources on board the tv are to display on the tv and the hdmi arc is just an audio return channel. 
 

avrs are the hub to plug sources in to feed audio video to displays

[betty boop]

2 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

Maybe an issue with the Integra also as when I attempted to connect my 4K Foxtel box, it wouldn't output 4K via the Integra (saying 4K not supported of something along those lines) but if I routed the 4K box through the TV, it was ok?

Maybe or could be cable issue too if using non certified cables it’s a gamble.

 

2 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

only Fox would have a TV tuner in it, this would solve the issues.

Presume the fox box is to feed fox

 

just get a media player if fox box can’t do tv. Most to channels have apps now to stream live tv. Alternatively use a fetch which has tv tuner and media playback. For live and streamed to and apps for Netflix etc. Plug that in the integra … feed both tv and projector as need.

 

appletv has both streaming apps so covers live and streamed tv and other apps eg Netflix etc

[mattjtaylor2809]

Thanks for answering these questions, makes sense as I did have fetch TV (since been returned) & these issue with TV with no pic on the PJ we not a problem, only since 2020 when I bought my "smart" TV.

 

I'll look into Apple TV & or a cheap TV STB so I can connect direct to the Integra.

 

BTW - the arc must carry the signal out from the Integra into the TV otherwise I wouldn't be able to watch my bluray player & Fox, obviously only audio back into the AVR.

 

Cheers

Matt

[mattjtaylor2809]

looks like I maybe able to stream most FTA TV stations via my Foxtel IQ5 box...Otherwise, Hubbl looks like a good option for $79.

[Benje]

matt

 

I run a Foxtel IQ4 to a TV (downstairs) and to a SONY projector (upstairs).  I have to manually reconnect the hdmi (due to 4K handshake issues) but it works.  I watch Foxtel ch 504 for football in 4K upstairs (and F1) on the projector.

 

Grand Final is only channel 7 - my IQ4 (and your IQ5) can take a TV aerial cable and receive/record this signal. Not 4K but still 1080p.

 

I'm happy for you to visit and discuss your issues/solution.  PM me.

 

Benje

Edited October 3, 2024 by Benje

[mattjtaylor2809]

Thanks Benji,

 

I'll look into that as it's a pain every year....maybe not an issue next year as the footy will be broadcast simultaneously on Fox & 7 so I watch it in 4K on the PJ.

[a.dent]

We watched the AFL grand final on our projector streamed through the 7+ app. The picture quality was far superior to free to air HD channel 7.

 

It looks like channel Nine has the NRL grand final so stream it on your Foxtel box using the 9NOW app. That should have much better picture quality than the free to air option. I don't think Foxtel or Kayo have a live stream of the grand final.

 

https://www.ninenbn.com.au/nrl-grand-final-2024-exclusive-live-and-free/

[betty boop]

3 hours ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

Thanks Benji,

 

I'll look into that as it's a pain every year....maybe not an issue next year as the footy will be broadcast simultaneously on Fox & 7 so I watch it in 4K on the PJ.

matt your projector is 1080p and tv is 4k.. the issue you can get with this depending on how your AVR navigates 4k. is if it can sometimes see projector in circuit will chuck a barney and say no 4k... if you have discrete out of the hdmi so can select one or other that is a cure for this.. otherwise yep have to disconnect... one other option is to get one of those smart switches and plug the project on that .. so when not using it can make sure it has power switched off to it as well .. so avr cant see it as even in standby hdmi can sometimes see...

[Benje]

Matt (and Betty)

 

I watched the GF on 1080p feed from foxtel via the ch 7 feed to my 4K capable projector, and it was fine.  The ability to rewind and replay is an added benefit with the foxtel box.

 

Happy to show you and discuss Matt

 

Benje

Edited October 3, 2024 by Benje

[mattjtaylor2809]

Thanks Benji, found the 7+ app on the Fox IQ5 box tonight & feel a stupid as to why I didn't think of that before.

 

I've not testes with the PJ but Fox plays fine...just need to know why it's saying 4K to compatible (which it before so I connected it direct to the TV)... most likely a cable but that seems easier to work out.

 

Cheers

Matt

[betty boop]

5 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

I've not testes with the PJ but Fox plays fine...just need to know why it's saying 4K to compatible (which it before so I connected it direct to the TV)... most likely a cable but that seems easier to work out.

 

see my earlier post matt, it could be because you have both tv and projector connected to the avr.. your projector is 1080p the tv is 4k. it could also be cable..

[mattjtaylor2809]

Hi BB,

 

It does work with Fox which is mainly HD....are you saying that as I have a non 4K link in the chain, the Foxtel IQ5 box automatically recognizes this & shuts off 4K output? I think more likely to do with a lower spec HDMI cable in the Fox > AVR > TV & PJ?

 

The PJ is connected to the 2nd HDMI out called sub & in the Integra menu I have enabled both main & sub as outputs.

[betty boop]

2 hours ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

It does work with Fox which is mainly HD....are you saying that as I have a non 4K link in the chain, the Foxtel IQ5 box automatically recognizes this & shuts off 4K output? I think more likely to do with a lower spec HDMI cable in the Fox > AVR > TV & PJ?

what i am saying is 

 

it depends on how your AVR handles the twin hdmi out

 

do you discretely select each output or is it a dual out put .. if you descretly select an output does it "see" the other output ? 

 

i have been running dual displays for about 2 decades... and what i can say with hdmi is when you run dual outputs if hdcp sees anything non compliant in mix it will chuck a barney or downres to suit.. ie lowest common denominator. 

 

on denon and marantz you can discreetly select which hdmi's out to use.. and they dont interact in that case.. if you put it so signal goes to both its a gamble it can be either chuck a barney or downres. so eg if one display is 1080p and other 4k you can either get 1080p if sending signal to both or no signal at all.. this is over my 2 decades of experience ... and will come down to how its implemented on the integra. with my two displays i can get 4k to both and both are differnt generation 4k the tv is later can handle full bandwidth gaming .. projector is one gen older wont handle full bandwidth gaming .. but will still do 4k... you can have an issue here too.. but it works when i discretely select....

 

other option is putting a smart switch on outlet that feeds the projector .. so it can be switched off from power and cant be seen on standby.

 

it can most definitely also be a low spec hdmi cable.. thats easily fixed by buying some ruipro or mono price and others that come with the QR code that can be scanned to confirm.

[mattjtaylor2809]

I'll change the HDMI output to main (not main & sub) & see whether Foxtel then activates its 4K output, or physically remove the HDMI?

I've also bought a 4K compliant cable, so I'll test with that as well.

 

I think your correct in focusing on the Integra AVR as if I plug the Foxtel IQ5 box directly into the Sony 4K TV, it's not an issue...apart from then not being able to get that picture "back" to the PJ.

 

Cheers

Matt

Edited October 4, 2024 by mattjtaylor2809

[betty boop]

5 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

I'll change the HDMI output to main (not main & sub) & see whether Foxtel then activates its 4K output, or physically remove the HDMI?

I've also bought a 4K compliant cable, so I'll test with that as well.

the difference between main and sub is the main has ARC and sub doesnt. 

 

if foxtel unit is plugged into the integra...as you should have it... then there is no need to get its audio back via arc.

 

if you have two displays the one you need audio back from is TV with its sources built in. so typically you hook up TV via main arc. and projector via sub. 

 

6 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

I've also bought a 4K compliant cable, so I'll test with that as well.

thats good to hear.. just one thing to eliminate and take out the equation ... 

 

8 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said:

I think your correct in focusing on the Integra AVR as if I plug the Foxtel IQ5 box directly into the Sony 4K TV, it's not an issue...apart from then not being able to get that picture "back" to the PJ.

yep foxtel direct to integra and then switching between tv and projector will be ideal. does the integra allow you to select a hdmi out ? or does it by default do a split to both all the time ? if it does split all the time the smart switch so can switch projector out of equation will be useful. or alternatively just switch off the project from main switch so not in circuit when in standby. 

 

 

[mattjtaylor2809]

Many thanks for taking the time to expand on my issues.

 

Looks like I've sorted the issue with Foxtel saying not 4K compliant but I'm not 100% sure it was the new HDMI cable (as the old one was also 4K compliant).

 

What I have done is to switch the HDMI to Main only (not main & sub), sub being the PJ (which is always off), & I've also disconnected the HDMI cable at the back of the Integra.

 

When I'm back in the room, I'll plug this back in & see if that again causes the IQ5 box to revert back to 4K incompatibility...which will only be an issue if I'm trying to watch 4K content from Fox on the PJ which will be rare.

 

If it the case, it's a bit strange considering the PJ accepts 4K signals from the bluray player via the Integra (I'm sure downscaling). I just don't use the PJ enough to justify a new 4K PJ.

 

Cheers

Matt

[a.dent]

Hi Matt,

 

@betty boop Al's explanation of the handling of HDMI outs is correct for the Integra. Here is a screenshot of the manual for my 8.4 which I am sure will be the same for your 3.1 Images are output at the lower resolution when two outputs are used.

 

As I said in my earlier post, I streamed the AFL grand final on the channel 7  TV app and it gave a great picture quality on my projector even if it is "only" 1080.

 

I just reread your initial post (and see you are in SA) and realise you were talking about the AFL grand, final not NRL which is obviously on 9 this weekend. 

[Benje]

Bathurst is on shortly, as are F1 races, all 4K candidates on Foxtel.

Enjoy Matt