betty boop Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 Doesnt look like JVC has sat on their hands... with releasing two of "worlds smallest" in the new DLA-NZ700 and DLA-NZ500 laser native 4k Projectors 35% smaller than Nz7 model up and looks like they have redesigned everything ! check out here in the news release pdf uploaded on home cinema france... https://www.homecinema-fr.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/HCFR-JVC-DLA-NZ500_700-news-release.pdf 2
betty boop Posted September 3, 2024 Author Posted September 3, 2024 (edited) Size difference .... us pricing DLA-NZ700/RS2200 Black $8,999.95 USD DLA-NZ500/RS1200 Black $5,999.95 USD Edited September 3, 2024 by betty boop 3
Craigus Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 (edited) These are interesting, seems to be mainly about reducing costs IMO (not a bad thing). https://www.jvc.com/usa/compare/?langageId=4&com=49681&com=49815 Non-headline differences (that I think are significant) (comparing NZ800 vs NZ700) Not all glass lens. Probably why it needs to be bigger to be good enough for 4K. I still suspect no where near as sharp as NZ800. Reduced throw ratio Reduced HDMI bandwidth (so no 4k120p for gamers) No 3D support Fan noise not specified! Rear exhaust ( a good thing IMO, noise more likely to be sent out the back). No clear motion drive/motion enhance (personally I don't care) Still a good choice for contrast and lower price if this fits your usage. Edited September 3, 2024 by Craigus 1
betty boop Posted September 3, 2024 Author Posted September 3, 2024 Just now, Craigus said: These are interesting, seems to be mainly about reducing costs IMO (not a bad thing). Yes it’s a good thing, still not cheap exactly looking at us pricing but yeah cheaper than the flagship 800 and 900 Ps no 3D no 12v trigger for those that run drop down screens contrast not quite upto more expensive models probably also down to plastic lenses. Even Epson on its 9400 uses an all glass Fuji lens
Craigus Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 3 minutes ago, betty boop said: no 12v trigger for those that run drop down screens Ah, I didn't think that significant, but I don't use a drop down screen. (My bad!) Personally my next upgrade is the NZ800. 1
betty boop Posted September 4, 2024 Author Posted September 4, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Craigus said: Not all glass lens. Probably why it needs to be bigger to be good enough for 4K. I still suspect no where near as sharp as NZ800. a clarification from overseas the lens is all glass.. which is good. and so should be for money Edited September 4, 2024 by betty boop
Craigus Posted September 4, 2024 Posted September 4, 2024 57 minutes ago, betty boop said: a clarification from overseas the lens is all glass.. which is good. and so should be for money that’s good to hear. Their own specs omitted that so you’d think it would be safe to assume it wasn’t all glass. It does have less elements/groups so unless they’ve achieved some optical magic (or the extra elements are for greater throw options) the optics I don’t think would be at the same level as the higher grades. 1
betty boop Posted September 4, 2024 Author Posted September 4, 2024 7 minutes ago, Craigus said: It does have less elements/groups so unless they’ve achieved some optical magic (or the extra elements are for greater throw options) the optics I don’t think would be at the same level as the higher grades. JVC 17-element, 15-group all-glass 65mm diameter high-quality lens in the NZ7/NZ800 15-element, 11-groups, 80mm diameter 4k compatible lens NZ500/700. vs sony... Sony 10-element, unknown group, 54mm optical resin exit element XW5000 13-element, unknown group, 70mm optical resin exit element ACF lens XW6000/7000. 14-element, unknown group, 83mm optical resin exit element 4k lens VW500ES -> VW790ES 10 minutes ago, Craigus said: that’s good to hear. Their own specs omitted that so you’d think it would be safe to assume it wasn’t all glass. apparently in marketing material 1
j19801110 Posted September 30, 2024 Posted September 30, 2024 For those that are interested, review is just out. Enjoy! https://simplehomecinema.com/2024/09/30/jvc-nz700-review-jvcs-compact-native-4k-powerhouse-projector/ 1 4
betty boop Posted September 30, 2024 Author Posted September 30, 2024 (edited) 35 minutes ago, j19801110 said: For those that are interested, review is just out. Enjoy! https://simplehomecinema.com/2024/09/30/jvc-nz700-review-jvcs-compact-native-4k-powerhouse-projector/ How do we give you the best projector review I’ve ever read award well done very comprehensive and especially given a preproduction unit. Congrats to jvc for not sitting on its laurels and continuing to bring out better and better units ! jvc’s future is bright ! now if only it did 3D and wasn’t missing the processing of the 800… as sharp as 800, did 1080p as well as 800 … but then it would be an 800 there will be many many folk am sure very happy with 500 and 700 while 800 let alone 900 are out of reach ! Edited September 30, 2024 by betty boop 2
j19801110 Posted September 30, 2024 Posted September 30, 2024 32 minutes ago, betty boop said: How do we give you the best projector review I’ve ever read award well done very comprehensive and especially given a preproduction unit. Congrats to jvc for not sitting on its laurels and continuing to bring out better and better units ! jvc’s future is bright ! now if only it did 3D and wasn’t missing the processing of the 800… as sharp as 800, did 1080p as well as 800 … but then it would be an 800 there will be many many folk am sure very happy with 500 and 700 while 800 let alone 900 are out of reach ! Thank you, Al. Too kind. Yes, this is no NZ800, but it's a cracking little unit. I think people will really love it. In fact, I would gladly keep it if I was allowed. The contrast is pretty phenomenal on it - no ifs or buts. Yes, my NZ800 produces a better picture overall, but for almost double the price it should too or I'd crack it! 2
betty boop Posted September 30, 2024 Author Posted September 30, 2024 16 minutes ago, j19801110 said: Yes, this is no NZ800, but it's a cracking little unit. I think people will really love it. In fact, I would gladly keep it if I was allowed. The contrast is pretty phenomenal on it - no ifs or buts. Yes, my NZ800 produces a better picture overall, but for almost double the price it should too or I'd crack it! nz700 definitely seems the ace in the pack 1
j19801110 Posted September 30, 2024 Posted September 30, 2024 1 hour ago, betty boop said: nz700 definitely seems the ace in the pack Well, I think it's possible that the NZ500 is going to be just as good at a much lower price. If it can reach just as high ANSI but maybe just a hair lower on/off at 26,000:1, it would still compete well at 1% ADL, so would look amazing. We'll see. Maybe JVC can send us that unit as well.... maybe not. These reviews are a lot of work so I would only do the contrast measurements for that one I recon. 3
David A Posted September 30, 2024 Posted September 30, 2024 The 1st generation 4k projectors were fat pigs. That size is less obtrusive. 2
TP1 Posted October 5, 2024 Posted October 5, 2024 (edited) On 4/9/2024 at 11:35 AM, betty boop said: a clarification from overseas the lens is all glass.. which is good. and so should be for money JVC do not specify what lens elements are used for these PJ's but they do for ones with glass elements. In most reports it is confirmed that a plastic (resin) element is used. Putting aside the hype about glass vs resin optical elements, the proof is in how good the picture looks. This publication is one of many reporting information provided to them by JVC about the materials used in the lens elements. https://audio-freak.de/marken-empfehlungen/vergleich-jvc-projektoren/ Edited October 5, 2024 by TP1
oztheatre Posted November 7, 2024 Posted November 7, 2024 On 05/10/2024 at 5:35 PM, TP1 said: JVC do not specify what lens elements are used for these PJ's but they do for ones with glass elements. In most reports it is confirmed that a plastic (resin) element is used. Putting aside the hype about glass vs resin optical elements, the proof is in how good the picture looks. This publication is one of many reporting information provided to them by JVC about the materials used in the lens elements. https://audio-freak.de/marken-empfehlungen/vergleich-jvc-projektoren/ A well put together acrylic lens like the X series had, can often produce a better image than an ordinary glass lens. The X7500 and 9500 were razor sharp projectors. Then the X7900 and X9900 had a tweak to the E-shift mechanism.. I remember Jav's noting text was sharper on the 9 models but the image a bit softer.
oztheatre Posted November 7, 2024 Posted November 7, 2024 (edited) On 30/09/2024 at 5:44 PM, j19801110 said: Thank you, Al. Too kind. Yes, this is no NZ800, but it's a cracking little unit. I think people will really love it. In fact, I would gladly keep it if I was allowed. The contrast is pretty phenomenal on it - no ifs or buts. Yes, my NZ800 produces a better picture overall, but for almost double the price it should too or I'd crack it! Your reviews Roland are next level, you don't leave a stone unturned. Projector manufacturers should be sending you their prototype units for review and recommendations! Edited November 7, 2024 by oztheatre 1
TP1 Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 On 7/11/2024 at 12:49 PM, oztheatre said: A well put together acrylic lens like the X series had, can often produce a better image than an ordinary glass lens. The X7500 and 9500 were razor sharp projectors. Then the X7900 and X9900 had a tweak to the E-shift mechanism.. I remember Jav's noting text was sharper on the 9 models but the image a bit softer. Yes indeed. The question is whether JVC buyers will be sceptical given previous marketing efforts pushing "all glass " lens elements.
betty boop Posted November 8, 2024 Author Posted November 8, 2024 On 7/11/2024 at 3:49 PM, oztheatre said: A well put together acrylic lens like the X series had, can often produce a better image than an ordinary glass lens. hi oz as far as i know the X series has always had full all glass lens.. this plastic lens is a recent development for 500 and 700 more affordable line.. the upper model 800 and 900 i believe are still all glass as always been my humble x35 first jvc had an all glass lens https://de.jvc.com/microsite/de/dla-x95r/feature02.html "High-performance 2x motorised zoom lens The high-performance 2x zoom lens features a large-diameter, all-glass lens system with 17 elements in 15 groups including an ED (extra low dispersion) lens. This lens system not only enhances focusing performance but also significantly reduces chromatic aberration and colour bleeding to better project images with ample depth. What's more, it is also equipped with a 16-step aperture function that enables adjustment of brightness according to user preferences and/or operating environment to realise the deepest black possible." the next jvc in nx7 also has an all glass lens, will note the jvc description unchanged from the x35 its a design going way back.. https://eu.jvc.com/microsite/eu/dla-x9000/feature05.html "High-performance 2x motorised zoom lens The high-performance 2x zoom lens features a large-diameter, all-glass lens system with 17 elements in 15 groups including an ED (extra low dispersion) lens. This lens system not only enhances focusing performance but also significantly reduces chromatic aberration and colour bleeding to better project images with ample depth. What's more, it is also equipped with Intelligent Lens Aperture to realise the deepest black possible." my NX7 also has an all glass lens, I believe unchanged from previous X series JVC have owned.. https://www.jvc.com/usa/projectors/procision/dla-nx7/ "17-element, 15-group all-glass 65mm diameter high-quality lens" even epson doesnt cheap out with plastic using an all glass fuji lens as they always have i believe, https://www.epson.com.au/products/projector/EH-TW9400.asp "Precision Cinema Lens: The EH-TW9400 precision cinema lenses feature a unique 15-element Aspheric Glass Structure (AGS) that shifts the focal plane to the inside of the lens structure itself. Not only does this ensure surface dust is not visible on the final projected image but provides outstanding overall brightness and focus uniformity." 1
j19801110 Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 On 7/11/2024 at 3:51 PM, oztheatre said: Your reviews Roland are next level, you don't leave a stone unturned. Projector manufacturers should be sending you their prototype units for review and recommendations! Thank you, Andrew. That's very sweet... and so they should! Keep telling them! Haha! Which projectors are you guys interested in, btw? Sony? Barco? Christie?
j19801110 Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 On 8/11/2024 at 5:48 PM, betty boop said: hi oz as far as i know the X series has always had full all glass lens.. this plastic lens is a recent development for 500 and 700 more affordable line.. the upper model 800 and 900 i believe are still all glass as always been my humble x35 first jvc had an all glass lens https://de.jvc.com/microsite/de/dla-x95r/feature02.html "High-performance 2x motorised zoom lens The high-performance 2x zoom lens features a large-diameter, all-glass lens system with 17 elements in 15 groups including an ED (extra low dispersion) lens. This lens system not only enhances focusing performance but also significantly reduces chromatic aberration and colour bleeding to better project images with ample depth. What's more, it is also equipped with a 16-step aperture function that enables adjustment of brightness according to user preferences and/or operating environment to realise the deepest black possible." the next jvc in nx7 also has an all glass lens, will note the jvc description unchanged from the x35 its a design going way back.. https://eu.jvc.com/microsite/eu/dla-x9000/feature05.html "High-performance 2x motorised zoom lens The high-performance 2x zoom lens features a large-diameter, all-glass lens system with 17 elements in 15 groups including an ED (extra low dispersion) lens. This lens system not only enhances focusing performance but also significantly reduces chromatic aberration and colour bleeding to better project images with ample depth. What's more, it is also equipped with Intelligent Lens Aperture to realise the deepest black possible." my NX7 also has an all glass lens, I believe unchanged from previous X series JVC have owned.. https://www.jvc.com/usa/projectors/procision/dla-nx7/ "17-element, 15-group all-glass 65mm diameter high-quality lens" even epson doesnt cheap out with plastic using an all glass fuji lens as they always have i believe, https://www.epson.com.au/products/projector/EH-TW9400.asp "Precision Cinema Lens: The EH-TW9400 precision cinema lenses feature a unique 15-element Aspheric Glass Structure (AGS) that shifts the focal plane to the inside of the lens structure itself. Not only does this ensure surface dust is not visible on the final projected image but provides outstanding overall brightness and focus uniformity." The switch to plastic is very deliberate here. They aim to drive up quality and improve unit to unit variance, which is much more costly to do with an all-glass lens. They think this new lens will best the NZ800 and just be a smidge under the NZ900. So honestly, I wouldn't worry... they are investing R&D into it. The lens without any lens shift was very sharp. It's only the extremes that will need some work. But a plastic mould is a plastic mould. It's easy to refine. 1
betty boop Posted November 11, 2024 Author Posted November 11, 2024 18 minutes ago, j19801110 said: The switch to plastic is very deliberate here. They aim to drive up quality and improve unit to unit variance, which is much more costly to do with an all-glass lens. They think this new lens will best the NZ800 and just be a smidge under the NZ900. So honestly, I wouldn't worry... they are investing R&D into it. The lens without any lens shift was very sharp. It's only the extremes that will need some work. But a plastic mould is a plastic mould. It's easy to refine. hi J... as someone into photography i just see glass as glass and plastic is cheap.. thats what comes down to in end for jvc too i think 22 minutes ago, j19801110 said: Thank you, Andrew. That's very sweet... and so they should! Keep telling them! Haha! ps its Rich from oztheatre not sure who Andrew is unless rich has another body... 1
j19801110 Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 13 hours ago, betty boop said: hi J... as someone into photography i just see glass as glass and plastic is cheap.. thats what comes down to in end for jvc too i think ps its Rich from oztheatre not sure who Andrew is unless rich has another body... lol. I’m mixing Richard up with Andrew again. Similar screen names. Sorry Richard… again. Bloody hell! thank you, Richard. Well, according to JVC’s internal docs, it’s not a cost-saving issue but trying to up the quality without having to increase price. It’s simply not possible with the current glass lens design. You’d have to have something even beyond the NZ900 and that’s a bit insane. Sony’s lens isn’t that much better ultimately, they use digital trickery to get them to look sharp. Epson’s lenses are better! However, Epson churns out the largest quantity of projector lenses and R&D money is a lot more. So there’s literally nowhere to go with it but this way…
betty boop Posted November 11, 2024 Author Posted November 11, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, j19801110 said: Well, according to JVC’s internal docs, it’s not a cost-saving issue but trying to up the quality without having to increase price. It’s simply not possible with the current glass lens design. You’d have to have something even beyond the NZ900 and that’s a bit insane. well "without having to increase price" is another way of saying "cost saving" sorry to break it to you 3 minutes ago, j19801110 said: Sony’s lens isn’t that much better ultimately, they use digital trickery to get them to look sharp. Epson’s lenses are better! However, Epson churns out the largest quantity of projector lenses and R&D money is a lot more. So there’s literally nowhere to go with it but this way… yep got to make up for the aberrations some how ... epson has been doing its fuji glass lens for as long as i can remember.. my first epson 15? years ago had all glass fuji lens Edited November 11, 2024 by betty boop 2
TP1 Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 The phrase "all glass lens" was a JVC marketing point for a while and I suspect this is the main reason there may still be some uneasiness about the use of resin/acrylic.. However, seeing is believing and if you buy a new keenly priced laser projector and like the image, surely the materials used are irrelevant. In reality, the lenses are cleverly designed. Where they are used by Sony on the Xw5000 , there is only one acrylic lens element deployed. I believe it is the final element which would be significantly more expensive if it was glass, and it is in a position where its properties are best suited. . Acrylic also transmits more light than glass and has a comparable refractive index. I am not sure how JVC have arranged their lens elements but I'd assume they would have done something similar . At this point in time, having true native 4K projectors with prices starting below $10k is quite an achievement . Given that they give wonderful imagery , it is little wonder that Sony's XW5000 has been a runaway success for them . I have no doubt these new JVCs will become the most popular models in their lineup too.
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