Radio-Paradise drop outs "Singapore server could be dodgy atm"

[georgehifi]

 

Jarred from Radio Paradise told me via email the Singapore server which feeds Australia may have been having trouble for the last few days, for me "low and medium rez" is available "high and ultra" is very buggy and "Flac" is near impossible to receive.

When I used to do "Flac" for years now without any dropouts 24/7. I'll post up when/if it's fixed.

 

Cheers George

 

Edited August 24, 2024 by georgehifi

[georgehifi]

Back on line with all resolutions.

Looks like it's been fix now to give Ultra and more importanly Flac with no dropouts "hopefully forever"

 

Cheers George

 

[georgehifi]

Got a reply from RP's Jarred, he said 

 

"Nothing meaningful to add.  Packet loss is similar to a traffic accident on the internet."

 

All good for me now been running "Flac" all day with not one dropout.

 

Cheers George

[georgehifi]

Ooooops!!!! spoke to soon, RP is back to dropping out on "Flac" again,  yet Mother Earth even higher rez https://motherearthradio.de/ from Germany at 24-bit/192kHz Lossless FLAC. is clean and dropout free. Must be RP's Singapore server playing up, mainly in the afternoon/evening Sydney .

 

Cheers George

 

 

Edited August 27, 2024 by georgehifi

[georgehifi]

Jarred said to try the EU servers to get Radio Paradise "Flac" direct uninterrupted, this is them

 

RP  Main mix (flac)   https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

 

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

 

Cheers George

Edited August 27, 2024 by georgehifi

[georgehifi]

The EU server for the two RP links above worked well with "Flac" when the Singapore one died around 3pm > last night even the low rez was dropping out, couldn't even get Ultra and Flac

 

Cheers George  

[wavemechanic]

Thanks! I often stream RP, have discovered many new artists there.

[POV]

I've had zero issues with FLAC dropouts across both of the periods you have reported.  I suspect this may be relevant to a particular URL you were using for web based streaming.  The IOS apps and Bluesound embed have both been totally fine.

[georgehifi]

On 31/08/2024 at 6:16 PM, POV said:

I suspect this may be relevant to a particular URL you were using

Jarred of Radio Paradise agrees there is packet problems to Australia from the Singapore in the late afternoon, when I showed him the MTR scan test results. That's why he got me to do them, but the EU links he gave me are fine

 

RP  Main mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

 

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

 

Edited September 6, 2024 by georgehifi

[POV]

1 hour ago, georgehifi said:

Jarred of Radio Paradise agrees there is packet problems to Australia from the Singapore in the late afternoon, when I showed him the MTR scan test results. That's why he got me to do them, but the EU links he gave me are fine

 

RP  Main mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

 

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

 

 

Yeah I'm not doubting it.  I'm saying if accessing via IOS, Bluos. Lumin etc then not an issue, but the direct webstream obviously impacted.

[georgehifi]

Hi all.

Just got this from Jarred at RP (below), looks like they're trying to get the problems sorted with Singapore feed to AU, but for the mean time they re-routed our feed via the EU server.

I've been using these with hardly any problems

https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac  (main mix lossless flac)

https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac  (mellow mix lossless flac)

 

Wish I could get them to open and play on my iPhone anyone know how it's done??

I've emailed those address to my email and opened them with the iphone but just get a blank screen???? (I hate using iphones!!!) It's like they work with nothing but Apple products.

Cheers George

 

"We are making some progress on servers for Australia.

Just had a meeting with a provider a couple of days ago.
No eta but looks like its going to happen. 

 

As for  sg vs eu.   Currently all Australian traffic should be going to our eu servers.
Probably leave it like that till the Australian servers come online.

 

cheers,
Jarred"

Edited September 26, 2024 by georgehifi

[POV]

Just download the app.  It works very well and has not had any issues associated with the Singapore server at all through the whole period.

 

https://apps.apple.com/au/app/radio-paradise/id517818306

[georgehifi]

 Apps from what I've seen, only give low/med/high/ MP3 res which I can get also with hardly a dropout, but sound ***p, when compared to "lossless flac". But it seems one can only live stream it with Windows or Android.

Apple products can't do live streaming of  "lossless flac" at all.  

Even the RP owners say there is a problem to Aus from Singapore with "Lossless Flac". 

That's why they gave me those direct Lossless Flac links to mellow and Main mix.

 

RP  Main mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

 

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by georgehifi

[pcking]

Off topic, Radio Paradise are adding a new station called Serenity apparently. Thanks Paul.

[POV]

1 hour ago, georgehifi said:

 Apps from what I've seen, only give low/med/high/ MP3 res which I can get also with hardly a dropout, but sound ***p compared to "lossless flac". But only with Windows or Android.

Apple products can't do live stream lossless flac at all.  

Even the RP owners say there is a problem to Aus  from Singapore with "Lossless Flac". 

Here is a screenshot of the Apple iOS app settings.  As long as I have been using RP all quality levels up to and including FLAC have been available for live stream via Apple apps. I can confirm that FLAC streams at full bitrate as I can see it on one of my DACs.

 

I assume you have been trying to run the direct streams via a web browser and these are limited in their audio codec support. This is an issue that can be avoided by using the RP app.

 

I run RP on all day everyday at FLAC either via iOS or via the embedded stream within Bluos and I’ve not had any dropouts at all, at anytime of the day or night.  I assume that neither iOS or Bluos were accessing the Singapore server while there’s been a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by POV

[georgehifi]

From what I understand Apple iPhones or computers (unless they have Windows installed also) can't "live stream" lossless flac, (only Android and Windows can), but they can save it, reconfigure it to AAC then play it, but that's not lossless flac quality

Edited September 28, 2024 by georgehifi

[POV]

12 minutes ago, georgehifi said:

Apple reconfigures it to AAC, and that's not lossless flac quality. 

George that is not correct, I think perhaps you are confusing things.

If  you are using AirPlay 2 to wirelessly stream then the music is recoded to AAC for transmission as it does with everything.  But that would be true irrespective of the source app (including web streams) if using AirPlay 2 and this was not what you asked.

 

The stream itself is absolutely lossless FLAC and this is fully accessible by connecting your Apple device to a DAC via USB cable.  

[georgehifi]

No I'm not using Airplay 1 or 2 with windows or Android I'm using PlayFi HD.

https://play-fi.com/faq/entry/supported-audio-formats-and-file-quality

 

So then please by all means tell us all what magic iPhone app your using to live stream the two RP Lossless Flac links (below) that I've put up the links to, so you can play in real time and send them to your streamer in your audio system and keep and play them as Lossless Flac in real time

 

 

RP  Main mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

 

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Edited September 28, 2024 by georgehifi

[POV]

1 hour ago, georgehifi said:

From what I understand Apple iPhones or computers (unless they have Windows installed also) can't "live stream" lossless flac, (only Android and Windows can), but they can save it, reconfigure it to AAC then play it, but that's not lossless flac quality

Yeah this is not correct either George, both Apple MacBooks and iOS products can absolutely stream in FLAC (and higher).  There is seperate challenges with both operating systems that you need to understand (in particular the midi controller on MacBooks does not support auto sample rate switching so you need to go and control it) but what you have described above is not at all accurate.  iOS devices do support auto sample rate switching and they do not resample.  There is plenty of info associated to this available so suggest you go do some reading.

 

16 minutes ago, georgehifi said:

Then please by all means tell us all what magic iPhone app your using to live stream the two RP Lossless Flac links (below) that I've put up the links to, so you can play in real time and send them to your streamer in your audio system and keep and play them as Lossless Flac in real time

 

 

RP  Main mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

Ok I have tried to explain it to you already, but will try again.

If I am using headphones I use my iPad Pro and connect to a DAC  via USB and use the iOS RP app.  I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is the live stream, and it is lossless FLAC at full sample rate.

 

If I am listening via speaker systems then I use NAD or Bluesound components both at my office and at home and I use the embedded RP stream within the Bluos ecosystem.  This has options to stream either using MQA or FLAC.  See screenshot below, the Bluesound app tells you the quality of the received stream below the album art.

 

So I don’t use either of the direct web stream feeds that you have linked, however I just manually added both to Bluos out of interest as customer library entries and they both worked perfectly.

 

 

[georgehifi]

On 28/09/2024 at 4:01 PM, POV said:

f I am using headphones I use my iPad Pro and connect to a DAC  via USB and use the iOS RP app.  I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is the live stream, and it is lossless FLAC at full sample rate.

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Click on either of these links to open them with your iPhone or iPad (you should get this attached)

 flac music will play in seconds if they open, bet it doesn't!!

(you'll get a blank page asking you to down load.)

RP  Main mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

 

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I just manually added both to Bluos out of interest as customer library entries and they both worked perfectly.

Those 2 EU music only links don't give any meta data at all!!! not even the group name or song let alone all the art work and words and stuff, so what you show is ****  of some sort sent to you.

Edited September 30, 2024 by georgehifi

[POV]

1 minute ago, georgehifi said:

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Click on either of these links to open them with your iPhone or iPad (you should get this attached)

 flac music will play in seconds if they open, bet it doesn't!!

(you'll get a blank page asking you to down load.)

RP  Main mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

Yeah that’s right, as I already explained above this is a limitation of the browser app you are using.  Download the RP app and it will work.  I don’t know why you are trying to persist with using a browser app, it will not work.  Which part of this are you struggling with?

[georgehifi]

2 hours ago, POV said:

Download the RP app and it will work.

 

I've got the RP app on my iPhone 12 pro as well, I've said it before even if set to flac all it can send to my Rotel T14 streamer is Airplay, which is no where near as good,  it won't recognize PlayfiHD if opened which is far better, and what the Rotel uses as well as Airplay.

https://play-fi.com/faq/entry/supported-audio-formats-and-file-quality

Windows and Android do if the RP app is on them, you can hear it immediately, the more open top end and better dynamics and slam. The iPhone RP app via Airplay is MP3 compressed quality. But I don't want to use them and all the bs that comes with them I just want to use the simple browser links that don't waist sound quality for pics song words etc etc and all the other stuff on the apps.

 

5 hours ago, POV said:

So I don’t use either of the direct web stream feeds that you have linked

And so this was my original question, how to live stream these from an iPhone to my streamer

 

2 hours ago, POV said:

using a browser app, it will not work.

And that's what I've been saying to you all along.

 

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by georgehifi

[georgehifi]

2 hours ago, POV said:

Which part of this are you struggling with?

 

Please don't be a 

[POV]

10 minutes ago, georgehifi said:

 

I've got the RP app on my iPhone 12 pro as well, I've said it before even if set to flac all it can send to my Rotel T14 streamer is Airplay, which is no where near as good,  it won't recognize PlayfiHD if opened which is far better, and what the Rotel uses as well as Airplay.

https://play-fi.com/faq/entry/supported-audio-formats-and-file-quality

Windows and Android do if the RP app is on them, you can hear it immediately, the more open top end and better dynamics and slam. The iPhone RP app via Airplay is MP3 compressed quality. But I don't want to use them and all the bs that comes with them I just want to use the simple browser links that don't waist sound quality for pics song words etc etc and all the other stuff on the apps.

 

And so this was my original question, how to live stream these from an iPhone to my streamer

 

And that's what I've been saying to you all along.

You know, I’m literally the only person here trying to help you, and yet you are still being a jerk.  

It wasn’t clear up front what you were trying to do, and I did my best to help you work through it.  What you are trying to do will not work on an iOS device to the best of my knowledge.  If you have a means of direct connecting your device to your system via a DAC then you can bypass all of these issues and utilise the RP app.

 

Alternatively, typically with streamers there is a way of adding custom internet radio streams to a preset or similar.  I was able to add both of the links you provided to Bluos as custom presets and they worked straight away at FLAC.  I’m not familiar with your Rotel unit or play-fi generally but I would investigate if that is a possibility.  If it’s not, then perhaps best solution is to invest in a more modern streamer with a better streaming engine from the likes of Bluesound or Cambridge audio (or a range of higher end brands) that will support this.

Edited September 28, 2024 by POV

[georgehifi]

On 28/09/2024 at 9:15 PM, POV said:

and yet you are still being a jerk.  

 

I asked a simple question that can these two plain RP (Mellow and Main) just auto playing real lossless flac music links, that play just the music without all the other kpbs meta data sucking bs that apps have, if they can be played live stream on an iPhone, and you sir decided to go on a merry go round of different directions totally.

RP  Main mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/flac

RP  Mellow mix (flac)  https://stream-eu.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

 

You called me a jerk! no sir, it is you that's being a jerk, and not being a help at all, once again invisible to me.

  

Edited September 30, 2024 by georgehifi