brodricj Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 I used the free JVC calibration software and an X-rite i-one Pro and the picture is stunning. I have not even the slightest thought of upgrading. Glad I sold the Lumagen also, it wasn't worth the drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j19801110 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 26 minutes ago, brodricj said: I used the free JVC calibration software and an X-rite i-one Pro and the picture is stunning. I have not even the slightest thought of upgrading. Glad I sold the Lumagen also, it wasn't worth the drama. For sure! May I ask if you use an HDFury or a Zidoo or something similar for HDR tone mapping or just the in-built static HDR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodricj Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 No other boxes involved. Source>Krell HT processor>X9900. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Hey, I've seen some people say the lumagen isn't worth it. I haven't tried its tone mapping yet, but some folks have told me it makes a night and day difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j19801110 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 I guess it depends on how much you value the improvement versus the cost and usability issues with HDMI etc… I had one too and sold it as the hassle was too much. But maybe the newer 5000 series is better in that regard, not sure. My NZ8’s tone-mapping is very good. The Lumagen’s isn’t necessarily better, just different… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 I'm on the lookout for one to give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooferocau Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 8 hours ago, brodricj said: X9900 still a great projector. I had a Lumagen Radiance Pro. Sold it, don't need it with the X9900. Ahhh.. if you are using an X9900 without ANY form of DTM for HDR/SDR conv... then i would hate to see the image you are getting!! I still have an old X9900 myself i fire up from time to time.....an external processor is a necessity...not an option if you want a decent image! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooferocau Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 56 minutes ago, j19801110 said: I guess it depends on how much you value the improvement versus the cost and usability issues with HDMI etc… I had one too and sold it as the hassle was too much. But maybe the newer 5000 series is better in that regard, not sure. My NZ8’s tone-mapping is very good. The Lumagen’s isn’t necessarily better, just different… I beg to differ.... Using the latest DTM update on the NZ9...the Lumagen is much much better than the JVC,s own DTM.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j19801110 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 6 minutes ago, wooferocau said: I beg to differ.... Using the latest DTM update on the NZ9...the Lumagen is much much better than the JVC,s own DTM.. That's ok. We can disagree. You know my opinion already I think. The Lumagen will make use of every single nit on screen, but at the expense of midrange brightness stability. The JVC will stick to midrange brightness and will variate the top end. Neither is incorrect, but I find JVC's approach a bit more stable. Yes, it doesn't necessarily look the best in all scenes compared to the Lumagen, but it brings a very transparent performance. I'm sure the Lumagen has improved over time, but these two have fundamentally different approaches to DTM. Had I stuck with Lumagen's DTM, I would have pushed Jim for a setting where you could lock certain parts of the curve down so that part always plays to reference. In any case, it's like arguing which super car is better... these two approaches are light-years ahead of static HDR. But not everyone will appreciate the cost involved. I have a friend still with an X9900 that I set up with a custom curve years ago. He still enjoys watching HDR movies on it without any fiddling. I'm not sure he would be able to see heaps of difference between his unit and mine, as he doesn't care enough to notice. Hell, my partner told me he doesn't see heaps of difference between a JVC and an Epson, and that they are both so high-end, we are now just nit-picking. You need to live in my world for a few weeks I recon, you might hit the roof after you spend so much money on this ****, then they say that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodricj Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, wooferocau said: ...I still have an old X9900 myself i fire up from time to time.....an external processor is a necessity...not an option if you want a decent image! The image from my auto-calibrated X9900 is stunning. I had Lumagen Radiance Pro. Not worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooferocau Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 39 minutes ago, brodricj said: The image from my auto-calibrated X9900 is stunning. I had Lumagen Radiance Pro. Not worth the effort. So what are you using to do the HDR / SDR conv??? Static input curve ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigus Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, j19801110 said: The Lumagen will make use of every single nit on screen, but at the expense of midrange brightness stability. The latest Lumagen firmware has no such problems. Not sure what version you have tried. It has improved significantly over the last 12 months. This seems to turning into a Lumagen / old model JVC thread instead for some reason (maybe I started that... lol). But I'm currently running X9900 + Lumagen. It was a significant upgrade from just running my X9900 with autocal. You need to put in the work though (3D lut calibration, correct HDR levels in lumagen and correct settings in Lumagen so it does the DTM (i.e. outputing sdr2020). The Lumagen is not plug-and-play. I don't regret it the upgrade. I do plan an upgrade to most likely the NZ-9 or NZ-900. Mainly for increased light output (I will do a hush box this time) and a big upgrade to the optics and 4k panel. I'm curious how well the dynamic laser brightness works when sent sdr2020 by the Lumagen. Would be nice to have blacker blacks for the darker content. If anyone has insights on how well that works I'd be interested, though I suspect it'll will not 100% map well to the 3D lut calibration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodricj Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 hours ago, wooferocau said: So what are you using to do the HDR / SDR conv??? Static input curve ?? I ran the JVC auto-cal, it did its thing, end result stunning picture. That is all I need to know. When I had the Lumagen the CalMan software to drive it was rubbish. The JVC auto-cal (no Lumagen) was way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooferocau Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, brodricj said: I ran the JVC auto-cal, it did its thing, end result stunning picture. That is all I need to know. When I had the Lumagen the CalMan software to drive it was rubbish. The JVC auto-cal (no Lumagen) was way better. Oh right ... so you obviously have no idea !!! Edited June 4 by wooferocau 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer El Tel Posted June 5 Volunteer Share Posted June 5 7 hours ago, wooferocau said: Oh right ... so you obviously have no idea !!! You will moderate your approach to conversations on these boards. Confrontational posts like this are not within the spirit of StereoNET. If you disagree, then it can be done without the unnecessary tone. Subjective views are encouraged, but yours are not the only valid views and you would do well to remember that fact. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigus Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 12 hours ago, brodricj said: I ran the JVC auto-cal, it did its thing, end result stunning picture. That is all I need to know. When I had the Lumagen the CalMan software to drive it was rubbish. The JVC auto-cal (no Lumagen) was way better. I used Colourspace HTL myself. Not overly difficult, but it's not just click a few things like in auto-cal. There's was a bit of investment to learn how to use it properly. Certainly for ease of use auto-cal is great, but the results from a 3D-lut calibration were significantly better but needs a significant investment to learn and execute, or pay a professional to do it. But if you're happy with what you got, you've saved quite a bit of money. Just don't see it 3D-lut calibrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodricj Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 6 hours ago, Craigus said: ..you've saved quite a bit of money.... Not really. From memory the X-rite sensor cost me about $1K and I only used it once. I'm not tempted to re-calibrate as I'm happy with the picture and don't want to risk messing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j19801110 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 On 4/6/2024 at 9:39 PM, Craigus said: The latest Lumagen firmware has no such problems. Not sure what version you have tried. It has improved significantly over the last 12 months. This seems to turning into a Lumagen / old model JVC thread instead for some reason (maybe I started that... lol). But I'm currently running X9900 + Lumagen. It was a significant upgrade from just running my X9900 with autocal. You need to put in the work though (3D lut calibration, correct HDR levels in lumagen and correct settings in Lumagen so it does the DTM (i.e. outputing sdr2020). The Lumagen is not plug-and-play. I don't regret it the upgrade. I do plan an upgrade to most likely the NZ-9 or NZ-900. Mainly for increased light output (I will do a hush box this time) and a big upgrade to the optics and 4k panel. I'm curious how well the dynamic laser brightness works when sent sdr2020 by the Lumagen. Would be nice to have blacker blacks for the darker content. If anyone has insights on how well that works I'd be interested, though I suspect it'll will not 100% map well to the 3D lut calibration. The Lumagen is fundamentally trying to maximise nits on screen. That's just how the algorithm works. Nothing wrong with it, as I said. It does look very good. It's not about which version. Yes, brightness fluctuations within the same scene, which were distracting, they worked on more, but you can never say they are completely eliminated because the algorithm might trip up with new content - that's one of the pitfalls of going down that road.... You cannot lock down the mid-tones. That's just not how the Lumagen operates, that is like diametrically opposed to what they are doing - at least until they decided to rebuild from ground up and maybe make that an option. Again, nothing wrong with it, but I also understand why JVC doesn't want to go that route - image stability regardless of what you throw at it now or in the future. But it's far from perfect. It certainly doesn't maximise contrast and it can get the curve wrong so highlights are a bit too busy, or the image too dim. There's a lot of theoretical and practical issues with either approach. JVC chose its poison, so did Lumagen. You need to know which laser dimming you want to use, as one of them especially isn't quite good with the Lumagen on the NZ9 (LD Mode 2). It modulates gamma too much. I'm pretty sure at least one LD mode will be compatible on the NZ900. I would wait for some reviews and see what people say. But it took me a month watching a lot of content to realise LD Mode 2 is not really that great. Since 3.0 firmware I'm using LD Mode 1 and just turn the laser up a bit higher to account for the brightness drop with that mode. But I think either would be a great choice if you want more brightness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Jason Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I had a JVC X5900 and the Lumagen was a necessity. Now with my Sony XW5000 it is also a necessity. Not just tone mapping, but all the auto aspect controls on an anamorphic screen.. I'm tempted to purchase the new JVC and even with that the Lumagen will be driving it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDobsession Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Any news of when Australia is likely to see these new JVC projectors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oztheatre Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 On 20/06/2024 at 3:22 PM, HDobsession said: Any news of when Australia is likely to see these new JVC projectors? Just shipped the first NZ800 in Australia to Roland from simplehomecinema.com Will be good to hear his feedback! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oztheatre Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 There are 4 NZ800's left, they had 6, I just sold 2 units. One 1 NZ900 in stock at present. The 3D kit also no longer being offered fyi. It was $649 for 4 glasses and emitter. Peter Cincotta who was the projector guy for years is also no longer at JVC Kenwood 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMDave Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, oztheatre said: There are 4 NZ800's left, they had 6, I just sold 2 units. One 1 NZ900 in stock at present. The 3D kit also no longer being offered fyi. It was $649 for 4 glasses and emitter. Peter Cincotta who was the projector guy for years is also no longer at JVC Kenwood Thanks for the update Oz. Sad to hear Peter has moved on from JVC. He was very helpful to me in my early ownership. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDobsession Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 13 hours ago, oztheatre said: There are 4 NZ800's left, they had 6, I just sold 2 units. One 1 NZ900 in stock at present. The 3D kit also no longer being offered fyi. It was $649 for 4 glasses and emitter. Peter Cincotta who was the projector guy for years is also no longer at JVC Kenwood Very keen to see his thoughts too. Thanks Rich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodricj Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) 11 hours ago, HDobsession said: Very keen to see his thoughts too... That would be one of my three wishes from the genie escaped from the bottle, to be able to see other people's thoughts. Edited June 27 by brodricj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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