Snoopy8 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 6 hours ago, Cevolution said: It’s quite a shame that Panasonic and Sony generally offer the highest quality TV’s PQ wise, that are awarded best TV’s of the year in objective testing and shootouts, but they haven’t positioned themselves in the market as manufacturers like LG and Samsung are doing… Sorry, but I don't get why Sony and Panasonic have to make their own panels? Sony and Panasonic have shown that processing is the key to PQ. Panels are a commodity. The type of panel is important. As long as the panel meets a quality standard, the source of a panel becomes a "so what"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cevolution Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snoopy8 said: Sorry, but I don't get why Sony and Panasonic have to make their own panels? Sony and Panasonic have shown that processing is the key to PQ. Panels are a commodity. The type of panel is important. As long as the panel meets a quality standard, the source of a panel becomes a "so what"... Part of the conversation that was being discussed was about Sony pulling out of releasing QD-OLED TV’s, and some speculations were dropped regarding the reasons, and one related to obtaining the panels from Samsung. If Sony had developed the technology and manufactured their own then they wouldn’t have this problem. If Sony and Panasonic developed OLED technology and manufactured the panels, then there’s the possibly that the quality of them would be higher as well… For example, there is a significant number of reports all over the internet from OLED TV owners that their LG WOLED panels have developed hundreds of dead pixels around the outer edges of the screen within a few years of owning the TV….It happened to my 2019 LG C9, people that own 2020 CX’s and 2021 C1’s have reported that it has happened to them too, and people that own Sony and Panasonic WOLED TV’s have reported it happening to their TV’s as well. The point being if Sony and Panasonic developed OLED technology instead then problems like that may not exist, and the quality and reliability of OLED panels may be better… LG may have come a long way since their Lucky Goldstar days, but I will always think of their company as cheap junk, and if I had a choice in who manufacturers OLED panels I would chose for it to be a different company, and the same applies to Samsung with QD-OLED. Furthermore, yes Panasonic and Sony are still releasing the best TV’s these days because of their processing, however that’s essentially all they offer when it comes to them being the best, everything else about their TV’s and the quality of their TV’s in general isn’t overly fantastic, the parts inside Sony and Panasonic TV’s these days are often cheap rubbish, and don’t live up to the quality you expect from 2 companies that market themselves as high quality premium brands. Edited June 1 by Cevolution 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 2 hours ago, Cevolution said: If Sony and Panasonic developed OLED technology and manufactured the panels, then there’s the possibly that the quality of them would be higher as well… You are still missing a crucial point. Panels are a commodity and requires large volumes to be economically viable. It does not make sense to spend huge R&D dollars on a product (panels) which is less profitable. Sony have been good at making good TVs, without having to make panels and hopefully, remain profitable. Asking them to change their business model can result in them losing money. Hate to see them follow premium TV brands such as Loewe, Pioneer (Kuro) falling by the wayside. Sorry, not Utopia, just plain economic reality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cevolution Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snoopy8 said: You are still missing a crucial point. Panels are a commodity and requires large volumes to be economically viable. It does not make sense to spend huge R&D dollars on a product (panels) which is less profitable. I was the one that originally made the comment and the point about Sony and Panasonic manufacturing OLED panels, therefore I understand what was said and the meaning of it, which you seem to have missed and my point seems to have gone over your head. 2 of the big 4 TV brands LG and Samsung invested huge R&D dollars into WOLED and QD-OLED panels, clearly it has worked out well for them, and it’s profitable, otherwise they wouldn’t continue with the technologies… Therefore, if the other 2 of the big 4 brands Sony and Panasonic (who were once at the very top but no longer hold those reputations) had made smarter decisions with their TV brands over the last 2 decades, there would be no reason today in 2024 that they couldn’t be in a position doing what LG and Samsung are doing manufacturing WOLED and QD-OLED panels. 1 hour ago, Snoopy8 said: Sony have been good at making good TVs, without having to make panels and hopefully, remain profitable. Asking them to change their business model can result in them losing money. Hate to see them follow premium TV brands such as Loewe, Pioneer (Kuro) falling by the wayside. Sorry, not Utopia, just plain economic reality... Sony’s and Panasonic’s business models weren’t always this way, they have changed their business models into what they are currently today. I’m not asking them to change their business models now, it’s a bit too late for that. However, if Sony and Panasonic didn’t change their business models into what they are currently in 2024 and they had made good and better business decisions, they could be doing exactly what LG and Samsung are doing now manufacturing OLED panels (and the consumer could be benefiting for it because I believe Sony and Panasonic would manufacture a higher quality panel), and at the same time could be also catering to the premium TV customer base, and not fail at it like Pioneer for example. I own an a95L so you don’t need to tell me what’s good about Sony TV’s. That doesn’t change that’s they’re still not a very good quality products overall with regards to high quality parts, it won’t last 10-15 years, when it should for the au$9500 RRP price they were asking for the 77” model… It’s definitely not up to the standard of asking $5000-$10000 for it. I still own a Sony str-da5300es receiver from 2008 which I use in my bedroom, it’s 16 years old and it works perfectly fine. I also still own a Sony kdl40x3100 LCD TV from 2008, and it’s still going strong. Yet here we are in 2024, where late last year my 2019 LG 65” C9 OLED TV developed the hundreds of dead pixels around the outer edges of the screen issue I referred to in this thread earlier, and my 6 month old Sony 77” a95L TV has a faulty TCON board in it, and my ex wives $2000 Sony LCD TV that she bought at the end of 2021 stopped working a few weeks ago. Edited June 1 by Cevolution 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveKnight Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 (edited) Well. With the corruption of TVs industry like recent years. You have to pay too much money for the top of the lines TVs from some brands. I suggest we should look for other things like better customer services, as many years of warranty as possible. I am thinking about buying an Eizo monitor like CGX2700x with 5 years warranty for personal using than buying a TV for entertainment purposes. Today I just rewatched many clips from https://www.youtube.com/@RTINGScomRD/videos and found out that Oled TVs have a lot of errors like burning, dead pixels but surprisingly LCD TVs have other errors like bad uniform after time using, shift colours. In the end TVs are just bigger monitors. Pick your poison. Edited June 1 by LoveKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweaky Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 Anybody considering buying a 2024 model Sony might want to wait until the 2025 models are released, as it seems that FINALLY they will have 4 X HDMI 2.1 ports on them due to a upgrade to the Mediatech Pentonic 800 processing chip. The previous upgraded Pentonic chip was supposed to have this feature, but didn't, being a major disappointment when this was revealed. Sure this might, at present, only seem be important to those with multiple 4K gaming consoles + gaming PC, but these upgraded chips, under Sony's usage, also tend to give a significant upgrade in picture processing quality. Since these new chips are designed to work with A.I, they should make the new intelligent backlighting found on the new Series 9 LCD/LED TV's even better, which knowing this, is probably why Sony has opted to make the series 9 it's top line TV. The new chip can also upgrade the refresh rate to 165hz whilst using VRR, which should improve frame rates with some games, and a first for a Sony TV, support for HDR10+ gaming standard .....If it allows decoding of HDR10+ movies or streamed content isn't mentioned, one would hope it does. The new chip might also be the reason that the current A95L QD-OLED is listed as discontinued at the Australian Sony website, they could just be waiting to reintroduce the A95L fitted with the new chip, as the A.I. contrast control will also benefit QD-OLED according to HDTVTEST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveKnight Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Look like Sony TV lines this year are not really superior to LG or Samsung so I would like to save the money for next year or buy an Eizo monitor for work and other purposes. See you guys next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Bravia 9 Rtings review out https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/bravia-9-qled Bravia 9 better than 7 But Bravia 9 loses to A95L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Am somewhat surprised that no one has posted any reaction to the rtings review. My disappointment is centred around the newer 2024 Bravia 9 flagship losing to 2023 A95L flagship ! The following rtings writeup covers this well.. Quote In most ways, the Sony A95L OLED is better than the Sony BRAVIA 9 QLED. The A95L has a much wider viewing angle, so it’s better if you regularly watch TV with a group. The A95L also delivers fast motion with less blur due to its faster response time. Regarding accuracy, the A95L has the BRAVIA 9 beat due to its better SDR pre-calibration accuracy and PQ EOTF tracking. However, the BRAVIA 9 is still excellent in that regard. As impressive as the contrast is on the BRAVIA 9, the A95L's is better, so it delivers deeper blacks in a dark room with no blooming whatsoever. On the other hand, the BRAVIA 9 is the brighter TV in both SDR and HDR, so highlights pop out more in HDR content, and it overcomes more glare in a bright room. Shame that the A95L is no longer sold here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveKnight Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 RIP Sony and Panasonic in consumer market. Their TVs are usually higher price than LG and Samsung but the quality they provide is lesser than they used to. Next year may be different but to all who have last year flagship then they stick with them. To newer ones who want to purchase the next level TVs should consider LG C4, B4, Samsung models or Sony Bravia 7. The 9 and 7 are very similar but may be 9 is more 20% performance because 9 - 7 = 2 right? (I am just kidding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweaky Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 On 15/06/2024 at 10:58 PM, Snoopy8 said: Am somewhat surprised that no one has posted any reaction to the rtings review. My disappointment is centred around the newer 2024 Bravia 9 flagship losing to 2023 A95L flagship ! The following rtings writeup covers this well.. Shame that the A95L is no longer sold here. There is no surprise in the RTINGS review, just in Sony's reasoning in making the new Series 9 it's top of the range TV, especially when it is so obviously lacking in so many PQ departments compared to the A95L. Except in the never mentioned long term usability and picture degradation over time, that all QD-OLED and WOLED's will suffer compared to LCD/LED TV's, that's just a result of the technology used. By how much, and how quickly ?......I don't know, and I doubt anybody else REALLY knows, as the technology [incremental improvements] has changed so often, so fast with OLED Apart from screen burn-in, which with sensible, mixed use, should never really be a problem, the biggest gradual failing with OLED's will be the fading of the BLUE's, and since white is made up of a equal proportion of Red/Green/Blue will also effect whites. It's sort of the same failing [Yellowing] of the phosphor on old CRT Tube TV's over time, something LCD/LED doesn't suffer from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 20 hours ago, Tweaky said: Except in the never mentioned long term usability and picture degradation over time, that all QD-OLED and WOLED's will suffer compared to LCD/LED TV's, that's just a result of the technology used. By how much, and how quickly ?......I don't know, and I doubt anybody else REALLY knows, as the technology [incremental improvements] has changed so often, so fast with OLED Apart from screen burn-in, which with sensible, mixed use, should never really be a problem, the biggest gradual failing with OLED's will be the fading of the BLUE's, and since white is made up of a equal proportion of Red/Green/Blue will also effect whites. The rtings accelerated longevity tests try to provide some answers https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-test But as you said, we do not know of the many incremental OLED improvements which may or may not affect longevity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 rtings have released the Bravia 8 review https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/bravia-8-oled Comparing to Bravia 9 Quote The Sony BRAVIA 8 OLED and the Sony BRAVIA 9 QLED are better than each other in different ways. As impressive as the contrast and local dimming control on the BRAVIA 9 is, the BRAVIA 8 is an OLED, so it provides even deeper blacks with no blooming at all. The other main advantages of the BRAVIA 8's OLED panel are its nearly instantaneous response time and much wider viewing angle. However, the BRAVIA 9 has a big advantage when it comes to brightness: It is much brighter in SDR, so it overcomes glare in the brightest of rooms, and it's also much brighter in HDR, so it can take better advantage of HDR content that gets incredibly bright. On top of that, the BRAVIA 9 is more accurate in SDR and HDR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveKnight Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 I think some of Bravia TVs are on sale off programs. I just checked the Sony website in Australia and JB Hifi for Bravia 7 for 55 inches model the price is just over $2k Australia a bit. For me I would like to skip this year and save more money for other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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