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Which one is best ... 4k disc vs streaming .. can you tell the difference ... which one is best ? can average person tell ? 

 

might help you in choosing your source of media...

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Although I haven’t moved to 4K yet I think streaming has the convenience but for ownership of your favourite titles disc would win out. Also sucks buying discs that you will probably never play again.

 

Oh that goes for music as well 😊

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for those can't be bothered watching the youtube,

 

10 out of 12 times thes non-enthusiasts correctly picked disc content over streamed version - 

 

the test subjects while doing this comparison blind, did think things were close.. which makes it pretty interesting how they picked these... what is pretty amazing they picked 10 out of 12 correctly ! 

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1 minute ago, joz said:

Although I haven’t moved to 4K yet I think streaming has the convenience but for ownership of your favourite titles disc would win out. Also sucks buying discs that you will probably never play again.

 

yep streaming definitely has the convenience for me, but yeah for quality of sound and picture i tend to go discs... things like mini series and such i tend to just stream.. movies not worth owning or the picture / audio doesnt matter too much i go streaming as well. 

 

re ownership, one thing i definitely dont like doing is buying movies on streaming ... if i am going to pay good money for something.. i want to atleast physically own it :D 

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Also to add for my reasoning I feel that I don’t have the urge or need to collect titles anymore for the sake of it. A disc has to earn its right to be purchased, yeah easier said than done.

i own stacks of discs that will never get played again. Both movies and music.

My free space is finite and I don’t collect to impress others. YMMV 😊

so streaming is good 👍 

 

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Yesterday I purchased the digital 4K version of True Lies for $14.00 from the Apple Movie Store. The results were mixed, the scenes inside the ballroom at the beginning of the movie were soft, yet other scenes looked really good. Also some of the faces looked washed out. So I definitely think that the disc version would be better, I'm not sure I have the money to purchase from Amazon US. I would like to get the 4K version of the original Avatar movie but it's over $90.00 on Amazon Australia.

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5 hours ago, groovem said:

I would like to get the 4K version of the original Avatar movie but it's over $90.00 on Amazon Australia.

 

https://www.amazon.com.au/Avatar-Remastered-UHD/dp/B0C6R591PM/ref=asc_df_B0C6R591PM/

 

seems $40 from amazon au that can see(includes free shipping) ? unless looking at some limited edition or something ? 

 

its a uk import so likely few other better uk deals  ? but havent looked sorry...I grabbed the aussie amazon one... looks the goods as is the released remastered one...

 

1 hour ago, joz said:

Oooh I really want True Lies on disc🥰

one am getting :D along with Abyss and Alien 🙂

 

few of us are grabbing the trifecta :D

https://www.ign.com/articles/aliens-true-lies-and-the-abyss-in-4k-and-on-sale

 

we are chatting about it in this thread here 🙂

https://www.stereonet.com/forums/topic/588214-disney-exiting-physical-media-in-aus/page/4/#comments

 

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3 minutes ago, groovem said:

The $90.00 one is for the extended versions of the original Avatar movie in 4K. $83.00 now

Avatar Extended Version

understand, that appears indeed to be some collectors edition,  the price makes sense as it comes with some 4 discs !  3 versions of the film. 10 hours of bonus material, new extras etc the cover says... just the movie only is there if thats all someone wants, its a lot cheaper 🙂 

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The thing is that I already have the extended versions blu-ray pack which looks really good. The question is is it worth upgrading for that price?

 

Going back to my post about the digital version of True Lies, the review of the 4K disc on The Digital Bits says there are problems on the disc, so upgrading to disc may not be the solution.

 

The review of the disc version:

 

https://thedigitalbits.com/item/true-lies-2024-uhd

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51 minutes ago, groovem said:

Going back to my post about the digital version of True Lies, the review of the 4K disc on The Digital Bits says there are problems on the disc, so upgrading to disc may not be the solution.

what will find is there is quite a step up from streaming still... this is from folks who have checked out the streaming ... 

 

as the review you quoted says right from opening 

 

"Trues Lies in physical 4K improves upon the 4K Digital presentation in the ways you’d expect,~"

 

theres  comment below with regards the mastering,

 

"but it’s been given a much too aggressive and modern remastering that belies the look of film and is extremely uneven."

 

is relating to the overall remastering and applies to both the streaming and disc...

 

it also says 

 

"The new Atmos and 5.1 DTS-HD MA mixes (on 4K UHD and Blu-ray, respectively) are excellent." atmos via streaming as will know is known without argument to pale in comparison to whats possible on disc as what you get via streaming is really "atomos - lite" for want of better description ... 

 

given all we have had to date is either VHS or DVD for true lies.. what do think a restored remastered version is going to compare like .. your review tells us that ... 

 

"The result is a 4K presentation of frequently striking clarity and impressive detail, but that also occasionally looks unnaturally soft or “clean” as well. Given that True Lies has never appeared on US Blu-ray—aside from an Italian import release and cable/streaming HD presentations—it would be difficult to argue that this isn’t a major improvement over past DVD and LaserDisc editions. But the film does look processed, and certainly more modern than mid-90s vintage."

 

he also makes the point how the physical disc version betters the digital streamed version...and data rate is deferintiely helping with disc...

 

"All of the above still applies to Fox’s new physical 4K Ultra HD release, which is encoded on a triple-layered UHD-100 disc. (The included Blu-ray is a BD-50.) The only difference here is that the video data rates are significantly higher that the Digital stream—on the order of 65-70 Mbps on average. What that means, is that the color is a bit more vibrant, the overall contrast is a little more expansive, and the whole image looks more dimensional. Everything that was good about the 4K Digital image is still good here, only better. Unfortunately, the heavily-processed appearance remains as well, and each of you will have to decide how you feel about that."

 

he also sums up for better or worse its how the director wants you to see it and it is looks better than ever...

"In any case, there is still no doubt that the film looks better than it ever has before on disc, and that—for better or worse—it looks exactly as Cameron wants it to."

 

ultimately its your cash to decide... but i for one want it for sure as with abyss and aliens... i already posted some screen shots on how amazing titanic has come through .. its a much newer filk and would expect it to be. for me with films like abysss, true lies and aliens .. on physical discs is still from all accounts the best way to experience these and thats what i will be getting ...  🙂

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Only after True Lies, so where’s the best place to get it?

Shame the quality is not as good as I’d hoped for 😥

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12 minutes ago, joz said:

Only after True Lies, so where’s the best place to get it?

Shame the quality is not as good as I’d hoped for 😥

 

still be better than streaming or the old DVD, so all that matters in my books 🙂 

 

theres a few places to get from, some of us in thread i pointed to earlier are getting from rarewaves in uk as its a uk release 🙂 

https://www.rarewaves.com/products/5056719200243-true-lies

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On 10/03/2024 at 5:35 PM, groovem said:

Yesterday I purchased the digital 4K version of True Lies for $14.00 from the Apple Movie Store. The results were mixed, the scenes inside the ballroom at the beginning of the movie were soft, yet other scenes looked really good. Also some of the faces looked washed out. So I definitely think that the disc version would be better, I'm not sure I have the money to purchase from Amazon US. I would like to get the 4K version of the original Avatar movie but it's over $90.00 on Amazon Australia.

I've noticed that although they don't have Avatar in 4K online, JB had copies in at least one store (Frankston?). And they do have the second one in 4K. But I think I'll be grabbing the remastered versions of the 4 movies, even if they've been getting so-so reviews. Because I like them and will watch them more than one more time...

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On 13/03/2024 at 8:16 PM, thebox_4k said:

4K physical media still offers a PQ step up compared to streaming content, regardless of how good the bitrate is...

Same goes for music cd v streaming

 

Cheers George

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1 hour ago, georgehifi said:

Same goes for music cd v streaming

 

Cheers George

I believe some of the higher rate streaming services can provide music stream at the same rate a CD player can - so the difference should be zeros unless your wifi/NBN service is ratty.

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I think if A/B'ing and both are the "identical same release versions" so the DR is the same, "through the same dac", CD seems to have a blacker quieter background, compared to the streamer.

(maybe it's the well thought out linear power supplies in hiend CD players are higher quality than the off the shelf SMP's in streamers/modems/wifi setups etc)

 

Cheers George

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On 9/3/2024 at 10:47 PM, joz said:

Although I haven’t moved to 4K

 

hi Joz, JB has the excellent pana ub820 on special at the present 

 

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/panasonic-dp-ub820-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player-with-dolby-vision-and-hdr10-support

 

will open the door to some excellent 4k discs... also keep in mind there are more discs on 4k with 3D audio (atmos, dts-X) than just blu-ray discs. so get ot enjoy the better audio...

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Appliances central have it for $596 with free delivery, get JB to beat it...you should be able to get it for JB $580 ish.

 

https://www.appliancecentral.com.au/dp-ub820gnk-panasonic-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player?language=en&currency=AUD&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwwMqvBhCtARIsAIXsZpaIpuwGOR0f2X6b2W73wJU-A6FvmsU9ujFjRVArs8MeQ2JoDGT_ku0aAuWqEALw_wcB

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35 minutes ago, betty boop said:

 

hi Joz, JB has the excellent pana ub820 on special at the present 

 

I think this is even better, and you get tripple HD tuners and a 2tb HD as well 

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/panasonic-blu-ray-recorder-with-2tb-triple-tuner-pvr-4k-upscaling

 

And I just happen to have a brand new unopened one for sale, for much less.😇

https://www.stereonet.com/forums/topic/608758-panasonic-dmr-bwt955gl-new-in-box/#comment-6334976

 

Cheers George

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I've been going through this dilemma for a couple of weeks,  looking for a 4k UHD player too, looked at the Panasonic DP-UB9000 but this is around $1400, maybe cheaper with some shopping around.

 

Magnetar UDP800 looks the goods, but imo too expensive if you don't need all its facilities.

 

Bang for buck from the info I've read/reviews , was the Panasonic ub820, dare say that Panasonic Blu-ray Recorder with 2TB Triple Tuner PVR & 4K Upscaling from George seems a good deal too.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bass13 said:

I've been going through this dilemma for a couple of weeks,  looking for a 4k UHD player too, looked at the Panasonic DP-UB9000 but this is around $1400, maybe cheaper with some shopping around.

 

Magnetar UDP800 looks the goods, but imo too expensive if you don't need all its facilities.

 

Bang for buck from the info I've read/reviews , was the Panasonic ub820, dare say that Panasonic Blu-ray Recorder with 2TB Triple Tuner PVR & 4K Upscaling from George seems a good deal too.

 

 

 

 

Both the UB9000 and UB820 have the same video processing chip.  The UB9000 is better built with far better disk transport and better HDMI. 

 

I own the UB9000 and have done a side by side comparison with the Oppo 203, beating it for both video and audio quality.  No experience with the Magnetar UDP800.

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On 09/03/2024 at 9:00 PM, betty boop said:

Which one is best ... 4k disc vs streaming .. can you tell the difference ... which one is best ? can average person tell ? 

 

might help you in choosing your source of media...

 

At 4m 55s the woman on the left says comparison would be easier to figure out with the two versions side by side as the differences for her were so minute.   That in my experience is also the case with audio. (Quick A B comparisons between a few seconds of a high bitrate lossy version of a recording, and the lossless version of those few seconds, can reveal minor differences that general listening might not.)

 

It's interesting that some directors seem to go out of their way to utilise HDR capability, so you can find part of the streamed picture with shadow detail and another part of the picture with intense lighting.  (These sorts of scenes tend to crop up only occasionally if at all.  They would never have been attempted in years gone by.)  I watch a lot of Netflix and every now and again I can say "aha" that seems to be in 4K (possibly with HDR). And I might then change the picture settings  to expose the video bitrate and resolution info in the top left hand corner of my TV set, to confirm that it is indeed 4K.  

 

Although I was an early adopter of 4K Blu-ray I find little motivation in 2024 to buy 4K Blu-ray discs, given that 4K streaming comes so close in video quality, and there is such a wide variety of streaming material from which to choose.

 

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