nbn upgrade from FTTN/FTTC to FTTP

[Jakeyb77_Redux]

So a guy came last Saturday and said that the copper in my conduit was too tight to pull the fibre through and would need civil remediation. He wasn’t wrong, the cable wasn’t going anywhere. 

Some more NBN guys came yesterday and said they had a few tricks. 
They pressured water down the old conduit and waited a bit. Then the old copper slipped through like a hot knife through butter. They then completed the work in about an hour.

Very happy with the result.

 

The guys also told me that if your area is eligible for upgrade to get it done while it’s free. If the funding goes then so will the free upgrades.

Its about $10,000 to get it without the free upgrade as mentioned earlier 

Edited February 16, 2024 by Jakeyb77_Redux

[Steam]

Update:  after a month of waiting for a second visit we finally completed the install at the house end.  This time the installer was great and really helpful.  
 

The new problem now is that the copper wire is stuck and I now need a visit from the “civil” team to get the fibre to the house.  The pit out front has also collapsed so I will be interested to see what they do.  also no date on when they will do this.
 

hopefully we will eventually get there.

 

 

[Addicted to music]

On 16/2/2024 at 4:00 PM, Jakeyb77_Redux said:

 

The guys also told me that if your area is eligible for upgrade to get it done while it’s free. If the funding goes then so will the free upgrades.

Its about $10,000 to get it without the free upgrade as mentioned earlier

congrats for getting it done.

 

Now you’re stressing me out,   I hope they don’t run out of funding b4 30/4/24 is when they are scheduled to do remediation work so my street supports it 

Edited February 18, 2024 by Addicted to music

[snavedivad]

Mine went smoothly, the tech was able to fit the fibre in the existing conduit. I went with superloop 100/20 and it’s been good, no drops. Speedtest is usually 105/18

[Ars Paart]

I upgraded mainly because we keep getting close-by lightning strikes and the NBN box has been replaced a few times.  On a 250/25 plan for the moment, consistently get 270/24 but don't really need that bandwidth.  Installation was quick, fibre to the house was an hour or so via the private pole we have, inside connection another hour the next week. 

 

Too easy in this case, I can imagine that not everyone has such a simple installation.

 

 

[purpleninja]

Great to hear so many of us are getting this. We got ours in 2021 and apart from the usual dropouts every now and again has been pretty reliable.

 

Have been with iiNet for a couple of decades but as they are not going to be providing free emails as of later this year, we are transitioning our emails off onto gmail, and I will likely be looking for a new ISP in the next 6 months.

 

Just ran Speedtest and got this - pretty reliable to get decent speeds.

 

[MattyW]

The one thing I'm not looking forward to with our new home build will be the degraded performance for NBN. Nundah run HFC (copper/fibre hybrid coax) which tops out at a max of 500Mbps. My current home on the other hand is FTTP so fibre the whole way through. The link it usually synced at around 900Mbps. Chances are I wouldn't even notice the degradation most of the time though pretty sure there are times when it will be noticed.

[Addicted to music]

23 hours ago, purpleninja said:

Great to hear so many of us are getting this. We got ours in 2021 and apart from the usual dropouts every now and again has been pretty reliable.

 

Have been with iiNet for a couple of decades but as they are not going to be providing free emails as of later this year, we are transitioning our emails off onto gmail, and I will likely be looking for a new ISP in the next 6 months.

 

Just ran Speedtest and got this - pretty reliable to get decent speeds.

 

 

im jealous 

[Addicted to music]

On 18/2/2024 at 9:28 AM, Addicted to music said:

congrats for getting it done.

 

Now you’re stressing me out,   I hope they don’t run out of funding b4 30/4/24 is when they are scheduled to do remediation work so my street supports it 

 

ABB keep sending me emails that they haven’t forgotten me, and that they are waiting for the nbn to do there remediation work so the street is supported…..

[purpleninja]

13 hours ago, Addicted to music said:

 

ABB keep sending me emails that they haven’t forgotten me, and that they are waiting for the nbn to do there remediation work so the street is supported…..

 

Any idea from NBN when they're doing the work? You may be able to get through to them directly. 

[Addicted to music]

On 21/2/2024 at 11:00 AM, purpleninja said:

 

Any idea from NBN when they're doing the work? You may be able to get through to them directly. 

got a letter direct from the nbn,  same same, nothing has changed, remediation works scheduled after 30/4/24.   Like someone said, hopefully they do the work before funding runs out….

 

Edited:  here’s something that pisses me off,  I just type the address to both of my rental properties and they had FTTP.   As a landlord;  having FTTC,  and your rentals have FTTP,  wow,  sucks to be a landlord!

Edited March 8, 2024 by Addicted to music

[Kazz]

On 19/2/2024 at 1:42 PM, Ars Paart said:

I upgraded mainly because we keep getting close-by lightning strikes and the NBN box has been replaced a few times.  On a 250/25 plan for the moment, consistently get 270/24 but don't really need that bandwidth.  Installation was quick, fibre to the house was an hour or so via the private pole we have, inside connection another hour the next week. 

 

Too easy in this case, I can imagine that not everyone has such a simple installation.

 

 

I upgraded to FTTP about 18 months ago, the first techs came and found an issue with the conduit, a week later a second crew came and rectified the issue and did the connection, it's been rock solid since then and we are now on the 1000mbps plan.

 

Prior to the FTTP upgrade the NBN box had to be replaced several times after storms, not an issue now.

[bob_m_54]

2 hours ago, Kazz said:

Prior to the FTTP upgrade the NBN box had to be replaced several times after storms

Yep, had the same problem with FTTC boxes, til I powered it from an UPS, no problems since..

Edited March 9, 2024 by bob_m_54
speeellingg

[aechmea]

OT, but

 

Spare a thought for some of us.  Satellite or the 4G phone network up until last year, now graciously upgraded to fixed wireless.  NBN steadfastly refuses to do our street.  Quoted $25000 for FTTP at our place.  We are surrounded by new houses with FTTC and we are certainly not beyond the black stump.

 

 

[aussievintage]

14 minutes ago, aechmea said:

Spare a thought for some of us.  Satellite or the 4G phone network up until last year, now graciously upgraded to fixed wireless.  NBN steadfastly refuses to do our street. 

 

I can only imagine you are suffering from the crap copper that Telstra sold the government.  I had a friend in an outer suburb of Brisbane who could not get ADSL back in the day due to the poor copper.  People in the next streets had it, but not him.   There seems to be no incentive to fix these little black spots when they occur.

[purpleninja]

On 09/03/2024 at 8:28 AM, Addicted to music said:

got a letter direct from the nbn,  same same, nothing has changed, remediation works scheduled after 30/4/24.   Like someone said, hopefully they do the work before funding runs out….

 

Edited:  here’s something that pisses me off,  I just type the address to both of my rental properties and they had FTTP.   As a landlord;  having FTTC,  and your rentals have FTTP,  wow,  sucks to be a landlord!

 

I remember when we rented while we were building back in 2020/21 - the advert said NBN but when we moved in we realised it was some weird satellite broadband. I found going direct to NBN got me accurate info - I just called and kept asking to speak to someone who could help until they gave me the details of someone. We ended up having to have a landline installed (there wasn't one), and then ADSL while we waited for the NBN order to go through. Took about 9 months all in all with plenty of calls to NBN to find out progress etc. I found that written info from them was generic and often inaccurate. If you can get through to the area leader or the PM in charge of your work order hopefully you will get some accurate info. Good luck.

[purpleninja]

6 hours ago, aechmea said:

OT, but

 

Spare a thought for some of us.  Satellite or the 4G phone network up until last year, now graciously upgraded to fixed wireless.  NBN steadfastly refuses to do our street.  Quoted $25000 for FTTP at our place.  We are surrounded by new houses with FTTC and we are certainly not beyond the black stump.

 

 

 

Absolutely - feel your pain. I'mn very grateful we finally got FTTP. All our neighbours are FTTN but when we were building we bit the bullet and paid the additional $1.5k to get FTTP.

[Addicted to music]

7 hours ago, aussievintage said:

 

I can only imagine you are suffering from the crap copper that Telstra sold the government.  I had a friend in an outer suburb of Brisbane who could not get ADSL back in the day due to the poor copper.  People in the next streets had it, but not him.   There seems to be no incentive to fix these little black spots when they occur.

when I moved in 2007 into a brand new estate,  we couldn’t get ADSL 2+  even though the area was supported,  it turns out there wasn’t enough ports so I had to go on a “3 Network”  that uses the Telstra 4G” network.   Then, Vodafone bought “3” out and couldn’t support us even though we just renewed a 6mth contract with “3”.    I ended up going to the Telecommunications Ombustman to have the contract terminated because they refused to cancelled a contract they could not support and reduced the bill to 50% asking me to use it outside this area into areas that they had supporting infrastructure!  What A******le.       The Telecommunication Ombustman made the contract void.   In the meantime I signed up with Virgin that uses the Optus 4G network and by the time the modem arrived,  I walked into the local Telstra Store and they told me a ADLS 2+ port became available,  mate went to Optus and signed up with them to secure the port!    Once I had it I don’t let go,  the availability was because a neighbour in the street was renting and vacated!   

[Addicted to music]

1 hour ago, purpleninja said:

 

I remember when we rented while we were building back in 2020/21 - the advert said NBN but when we moved in we realised it was some weird satellite broadband. I found going direct to NBN got me accurate info - I just called and kept asking to speak to someone who could help until they gave me the details of someone. We ended up having to have a landline installed (there wasn't one), and then ADSL while we waited for the NBN order to go through. Took about 9 months all in all with plenty of calls to NBN to find out progress etc. I found that written info from them was generic and often inaccurate. If you can get through to the area leader or the PM in charge of your work order hopefully you will get some accurate info. Good luck.

I believe after a certain date after Sometime in 2007 they made it mandatory to have all new estate to support FTTP.   Usually the developers put that infrastructure in and usually purchasers of land block would have paid for it as this is part of the costs….   All our current investment properties are bought after that year and each estate has FTTP.   

[Addicted to music]

8 hours ago, aechmea said:

OT, but

 

Spare a thought for some of us.  Satellite or the 4G phone network up until last year, now graciously upgraded to fixed wireless.  NBN steadfastly refuses to do our street.  Quoted $25000 for FTTP at our place.  We are surrounded by new houses with FTTC and we are certainly not beyond the black stump.

 

 

Put in a request to your provided to have fibre specifications or log onto the nbn website to check when or if you’re suburb has remediation work scheduled to support FTTP:

 

https://www.nbnco.com.au/residential/upgrades/more-fibre

 

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2024 by Addicted to music

[purpleninja]

Has anyone else had some info on pricing reductions come through from their ISPs?

 

I got this on Monday this week from iiNet:

 

Hi purpleninja,

 

We have some good news for you! At iiNet, we are now in the position where we can reduce the monthly costs of your high-speed nbn® plan.

 

What this means for you:

 

From 20/03/2024, your current nbn plan will decrease by $40 a month from $149.99 to $109.99.

 

Your internet speeds will not be affected, and your data allowance and existing inclusions will remain the same.

 

Any existing inclusions and/or selected add-ons you may have will also remain the same (including your fixed line phone service, if applicable). Fees for add-ons are not affected by this pricing change.

 

You don't need to do anything.

 

The reduced monthly nbn fees will automatically apply to your nbn service on or after 20/03/2024.

 

Kind regards,

 

The iiNet Team

 

Given iiNet are moving all emails to another company (The Messaging Company) and may decide to charge users for emails from late this year, I had been planning to churn away from them after decades with internode and then iiNet, but with the price reduction even though I'm transitioning off the iiNet emails to gmail, I may stay with them as they are the devil I know.

 

[aussievintage]

19 hours ago, Addicted to music said:

there wasn’t enough ports

 

Yes, not enough ports, another problem.  In my street, they were running out of usable pairs of copper.  I once lost the internet because the stupid techs took my working pair to fix another customer.

[purpleninja]

2 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

 

Yes, not enough ports, another problem.  In my street, they were running out of usable pairs of copper.  I once lost the internet because the stupid techs took my working pair to fix another customer.

 

Yep - The reason we moved from Internode to iiNet is that back in 2010 we moved to a new house and there weren't any ports on the local exchange with Internode so we had to go to iiNet.

[Guest]

Had a seamless FTTC to FTTP free upgrade through Superloop completed today.  A technician did the outside work 2 weeks ago.  The inside done in less than 1 hour, made easy by pulling out the old HFC cable (pre FTTC).  Switchover done by Superloop in 15 mins after they received notification from NBN.  

 

Not sure if people are aware, but NBN could be offering up to five times the speed at the end of the year for no extra cost!  

https://theconversation.com/nbn-upgrade-what-a-free-speed-increase-for-fast-broadband-plans-would-mean-for-consumers-and-retailers-225168

 

It was mentioned in The Age that this free speed upgrade will apply to FTTP and HFC users.  So, another reason to take advantage of the FTTP upgrade from your ISP.

Edited March 12, 2024 by Snoopy8
Clarification

[Guest]

I decided to compare  FTTP vs FTTC (still have it running for next 7 days) using Qobuz.   It was a matter of switching the ethernet cable from one NBN box to another and rebooting the router. Digital is digital, right?

 

To my surprise, Qobuz SQ on FTTP was better than FTTC.  You could argue that I was imagining the difference because there was a few minutes delay in the switchover.  However, I can directly compare the same track on Qobuz with my NAS, and the difference between Qobuz and NAS was smaller on FTTP than FTTC.

 

Perhaps there was less noise in the FTTP box?  Perhaps the 9 years old 20m copper wire from the curb to the house was picking up noise?  Whatever the reason, am pleasantly surprised that FTTP improved the SQ of Qobuz.   Hope that others will try this comparison when they switch over....