andyr Posted November 20, 2024 Posted November 20, 2024 3 hours ago, e83cc said: You've misread - my point was that anyones view on bottom end performance of any given cartridge is going to be affected by their system and in particular the speakers and room. Thats why context matters. I've seen audio systems moved from one room to another and you would never guess they were even the same system. Neutral bass in a domestic environment is almost a misnomer. I give up. Over and out! 2 1
Guest Moon 600i V2 Posted November 20, 2024 Posted November 20, 2024 11 hours ago, andyr said: Sure ... but you seem not to have read through all of this thread. Jim said that he does not want to solder any resistors inside his PP1-T9. Or Rube Goldberg it. The loading issue was referenced from online discussions. I personally have no issue with the Benz loading on my Ortofon Cadenza Blue cart. However, I have heard it loaded at 100 ohms and it sounds different; not better or worse, just different. I would like to hear my Benz with a Gullwing as I once had a Glider and liked it. I can't audition a broken in cart on my table before purchase so I am soliciting opinions. Thank you all for your advice but I think I've got this.
aussievintage Posted November 20, 2024 Posted November 20, 2024 https://www.stereophile.com/content/dispelling-myth-about-phono-cartridge-loading Quote In the audible range, the only effect of heavier loading (lower R; red trace) is a slight reduction in cartridge output. Over the range measured, the frequency response is unchanged. 2
Be Quiet...Listen Posted November 20, 2024 Posted November 20, 2024 1 hour ago, aussievintage said: https://www.stereophile.com/content/dispelling-myth-about-phono-cartridge-loading I think there’s a separate thread for this discussion.
Be Quiet...Listen Posted November 24, 2024 Posted November 24, 2024 On 20/11/2024 at 11:54 PM, Moon 600i V2 said: I would like to hear my Benz with a Gullwing as I once had a Glider and liked it. I was fortunate to have owned a Benz Gullwing at the same time as the LP (to which I have owned 2). While the Gullwing was a little soft on treble resolution, I enjoyed is character and sonic balance much more than the LP. The LP’s seem to have a slight disconnect of sonic character with regard to treble and bottom end reproduction. I also had a Ortofon Jubilee at the same time and preferred it over both of the Benz’s. for whatever it’s worth, that were my experiences.
Guest Moon 600i V2 Posted November 24, 2024 Posted November 24, 2024 16 hours ago, Be Quiet...Listen said: I was fortunate to have owned a Benz Gullwing at the same time as the LP (to which I have owned 2). While the Gullwing was a little soft on treble resolution, I enjoyed is character and sonic balance much more than the LP. The LP’s seem to have a slight disconnect of sonic character with regard to treble and bottom end reproduction. I also had a Ortofon Jubilee at the same time and preferred it over both of the Benz’s. for whatever it’s worth, that were my experiences. Thanks for the comparisons. I am looking at replacing my Lukaschek preamp with a Moon 310LP so that I can experience more cartridge choices. I've had the Benz stage for ten years so it owes me nothing. If the Moon cuts the stridency from the Ortofon Cadenza Blue then I am finished. If not, I can source another cart. The Gullwing may also be too much mass for my RB3000 arm.
Be Quiet...Listen Posted November 24, 2024 Posted November 24, 2024 4 hours ago, Moon 600i V2 said: Thanks for the comparisons. I am looking at replacing my Lukaschek preamp with a Moon 310LP so that I can experience more cartridge choices. I've had the Benz stage for ten years so it owes me nothing. If the Moon cuts the stridency from the Ortofon Cadenza Blue then I am finished. If not, I can source another cart. The Gullwing may also be too much mass for my RB3000 arm. Viewing the specs of the Moon it looks as though it'll service your Ortofon fine (my experiences around 100ohm is preferable) and given that you have 470 & 1000ohm options it will also accomodate Benz carts.
e83cc Posted November 24, 2024 Posted November 24, 2024 5 hours ago, Moon 600i V2 said: The Gullwing may also be too much mass for my RB3000 arm. Given that you have a Rega RB3000, if you have a Rega TT then you should seriously look at an Aphelion 2. You don't have to fiddle around with VTA and alignment which are a pain on the RB3000. The Aphelion 2 is a massive upgrade on Rega's earlier cartridges and much better than the options you have mentioned.
awayward Posted November 24, 2024 Posted November 24, 2024 13 minutes ago, e83cc said: Given that you have a Rega RB3000, if you have a Rega TT then you should seriously look at an Aphelion 2. You don't have to fiddle around with VTA and alignment which are a pain on the RB3000. The Aphelion 2 is a massive upgrade on Rega's earlier cartridges and much better than the options you have mentioned. Do you think the Aphelion 2 is a big step up from the Apheta 3?
e83cc Posted November 24, 2024 Posted November 24, 2024 19 minutes ago, awayward said: Do you think the Aphelion 2 is a big step up from the Apheta 3? Yes - it's in another league. On a P10 the gap is huge. Delos is better than the Apheta 3, but the Aphelion 2 is a big jump on both. 1
Guest Moon 600i V2 Posted November 25, 2024 Posted November 25, 2024 3 hours ago, Be Quiet...Listen said: Viewing the specs of the Moon it looks as though it'll service your Ortofon fine (my experiences around 100ohm is preferable) and given that you have 470 & 1000ohm options it will also accomodate Benz carts. Thanks for the insight. I have to stop chasing cart/loading matches. When I got my Moon 600i everything sounded great but then I began to notice stridency on my phono source. All other sources sounded fine. I determined that I had a loading mismatch and either the cart or phono stage had to be the culprit. Logic requires the culprit to be the mismatch with the Lukaschek. So when our postal strike is resolved here in Canada I can order the Moon 310LP. Luckily, since the Moon is made in Canada , I don't have to worry about Donald's tariff wars affecting the price.
Guest Moon 600i V2 Posted November 25, 2024 Posted November 25, 2024 2 hours ago, e83cc said: Given that you have a Rega RB3000, if you have a Rega TT then you should seriously look at an Aphelion 2. You don't have to fiddle around with VTA and alignment which are a pain on the RB3000. The Aphelion 2 is a massive upgrade on Rega's earlier cartridges and much better than the options you have mentioned. I auditioned a P8 with the Aphelion 2 when I was shopping Rega TTs. I didn't like it. Maybe it would have sounded better on a P10 but they were having trouble getting them into Canada and the American distributor who serviced Canada was jacking up the price by 30%. I had the Ortofon on my old P25 so I moved it over to my new P8/RB3000 unit. I also prefer a Lofgren B or Baerwald alignment. I only fiddle with VTA, VTF and alignment once until the cart needs replacement. I gave the RB880 to my nephew for his P6.
Guest Moon 600i V2 Posted November 27, 2024 Posted November 27, 2024 Pulled the trigger on a Moon 310 LP today for my birthday. Black Friday discount didn't hurt either.
deluxetwelve Posted December 23, 2024 Posted December 23, 2024 On 28/11/2024 at 3:54 AM, Moon 600i V2 said: Pulled the trigger on a Moon 310 LP today for my birthday. Black Friday discount didn't hurt either. Congrats. I run a humble 110LPv.2, purchased used on this forum for around half RRP. In Australia that means I paid $500 AUD for a $900 unit. I see the 310 sells here for significantly more - 3700 AUD. My system doesn't warrant anything that good, but I'd be interested in hearing what you think of it.
Guest Moon 600i V2 Posted December 24, 2024 Posted December 24, 2024 5 hours ago, deluxetwelve said: Congrats. I run a humble 110LPv.2, purchased used on this forum for around half RRP. In Australia that means I paid $500 AUD for a $900 unit. I see the 310 sells here for significantly more - 3700 AUD. My system doesn't warrant anything that good, but I'd be interested in hearing what you think of it. I previously had a Lukaschek PP1-T9, that I had recapped and added an Sbooster power supply to, that I thought was pretty good. However, after three days the Moon eclipsed (sorry) it in every way. Soundstage was wider and deeper, bass was cavernous and detail was improved. I have a Classic copy of Bridge Over Troubled Water that didn't impress me so I bought the One Step. I could have saved $240 CDN if I had had the Moon at the time. The 610 and 810 LPs must really be something, but like you, my system would not display the advantages. I often wonder if the 1% really appreciate what is available to them. BTW, I paid $2700.00 CDN (taxes in) for a $2800.00 unit on Black Friday. The jump to a 610 LP would be fiscally irresponsible in my situation.
andyr Posted December 24, 2024 Posted December 24, 2024 54 minutes ago, Moon 600i V2 said: I previously had a Lukaschek PP1-T9, that I had recapped and added an Sbooster power supply to, that I thought was pretty good. However, after three days the Moon eclipsed (sorry) it in every way. Soundstage was wider and deeper, bass was cavernous and detail was improved. How very interesting! Have you used a different loading with the 310 than what you were using with the PP1-T9?
PhonoFix Posted December 24, 2024 Posted December 24, 2024 For general day to day use - I still like the Stanton 680/681. You just need to ensure the stylus you use suits the compliance of the arm. The high compliance 6800EE sounds dull on a high- medium mass arm but great on a light arm. For my usual arm the lower compliance D680 works best.
Guest Moon 600i V2 Posted December 24, 2024 Posted December 24, 2024 9 hours ago, andyr said: How very interesting! Have you used a different loading with the 310 than what you were using with the PP1-T9? Yes, the Lukaschek was loaded at 22k (mfg. standard) to suit my old Glider. I set the Moon at 100 as per Ortofon. This explains some but not all of the improvement.
Allan Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) Once had this on a VPI Aries II with the JMW-10.5 arm, WoW what a combo that was. It was the most realistic sound from vinyl I've ever heard. A massive 3D stage, cymbals had an amazing shimmer that rang for ever. Strung instruments sounded absolutely gorgeous with to die for texture, so real it was incredible. Percussion had a massive impact when called upon. Bass was bottomless and had incredible texture as well. Voices rendered lovely - perfection! It all came together in a coherent manner that gave real insight into music. Time after time peoples jaws hit the deck, mine included. I was so fond of that setup as was my vinyl collection, I don't recall a single album this setup didn't gel with. What an idiot I was for selling it, I have not managed to get anywhere near that sound since. I still use VPI but sadly the Dorian is now superseded. Edited December 28, 2024 by Allan 1
Guest Moon 600i V2 Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 4 hours ago, Allan said: Once had this on a VPI Aries II with the JMW-10.5 arm, WoW what a combo that was. It was the most realistic sound from vinyl I've ever heard. A massive 3D stage, cymbals had an amazing shimmer that rang for ever. Strung instruments sounded absolutely gorgeous with to die for texture, so real it was incredible. Percussion had a massive impact when called upon. Bass was bottomless and had incredible texture as well. Voices rendered lovely - perfection! It all came together in a coherent manner that gave real insight into music. Time after time peoples jaws hit the deck, mine included. I was so fond of that setup as was my vinyl collection, I don't recall a single album this setup didn't gel with. What an idiot I was for selling it, I have not managed to get anywhere near that sound since. I still use VPI but sadly the Dorian is now superseded. Did you keep the belt?
Allan Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 4 hours ago, Moon 600i V2 said: Did you keep the belt? can't remember
Thomarann Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Over the years: AT-95E Linn Troika Linn Krystal Dynavector XX2-Mk2 Linn Kandid I have to say the Troika and Kandid are my favouries, the Troika is warmer but the Kandid is a cleaner sound. M 2
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