Tonewinner D4000 D6000 subwoofers

[hopefullguy]

so i see Selby has become the distributor/retailer for Tonewinner's new subwoofer line. they seem to review very well for their price point but only really 1 youtuber has looked at them with measurements. they come in at a substantial discount to the usual ht go to svs with the 12" 800w ( looks like a pb2000 box) at $1699 and the 15" (in a monolith 15 box but made from mdf not hdf) at $1999. however they are now a further 15% discount from Selby so the 15" is down to $1700.

 

i have looked as much as i can comparing to the new klipsch 12" 14" RP subs (5 year warranty same as svs) and the monolith 12" 15" subs ( can only find "australian warranty" whatever that means) but price wise there is no comparison. the main thing with the Tonewinner is the warranty. in the U.S. they get 3 years on electronics, 5 years on box but here it is 12 months thats it. we do get the aust consumer warranty but thats an "effort" to have to use.

 

hope to check the 15" out this week but the few users i find on avs forums like them ($1100 in the U.S. so you would).

 

might be interesting.

[SGS]

I'm quite liking these subs. So far I've only seen reviews done by Specoftech. I'd like to see them reviewed by others to gauge whether they are that good.

 

Please report back about the 15". 

[gillmaverick]

Let us know your thoughts after the audition Mate. I am keen to know as well how these compare to SVS.

[hopefullguy]

hi i went into Selby today and spoke to Robert, Adelaide store. the set up has 2 rooms for auditioning gear, a epson ehtw9400 and 7100 (think that was the model). up front was 2x D2000's which imo probably relate better to the sb/pb1000, it has a slot rear port, 12" driver and 400w amp. i personally couldnt see myself using that style of amp, its small but had a fairly good sound to it.

 

the one i wanted to test was the D4000 12" driver, 800w amp (same as the D6000 amp) but that wont be in until thursday? will ask Robert to set up the D4000 next to the 1 D6000 they got in today.

 

so basic impressions are: not see a monolith but they look like them just not made from HDF, they are from the usual MDF. the app looks like an svs app. the box has the same finish as the monolith/svs but not in svs gloss. weight wise i thought 92lb/42kgs for the D6000 sounded a bit light, the D6000 is 37kgs. box size for the 15" is not actually that big. for example a original svs pb2000 is D40mm W40mm H67m smaller, so not what wouldbe called a big box. the D4000 is basically the same as the pb2000 original except 31mm longer. (friend has pb2000)

 

so what is there to consider? the warranty is just 12 months, however we get the Aust Consumer Warranty protection. in the U.S. it is a good 3 years on parts/5 years on box. seems we dont get that to save on costs but i think the A.C.W means makers dont need to bother giving more warranty.

 

the price's are obviously a pre order price. just like svs had the pb2000 pro for $1450 early on, now its over $2000 ( a joke).

 

so hope to return later in the week for another look.

[speakerbrah]

Be interested in if these really do get down to as low hz as they calm they do.

 

Also A$1500 sub seems like it should be covered for a few years by the accc....

[hopefullguy]

i really wouldnt know how low they get, can only compare to other retailish subs i have heard/used the problem is, as always, a demo/show room is not the room it would end up in. thats the dilemma.

 

the thing is now delivery date has been extended from 11th nov to 1st dec, hmm will need consideration. i doubt people that have say svs subs are going to sell them 2nd hand to buy any other unless it is a next next  level increase. 1 level up is not an upgrade imo. if i had a pb3000 i wouldnt call  a pb4000 a viable upgrade etc etc

Edited November 2, 2023 by hopefullguy

[Cloth Ears]

A couple of reviews and measurements from the same guy. He seems to like it...

 

 

[hopefullguy]

yes those are interesting, semi paid but still relevant , reviews. just as an update the 12 month warranty advertised up til this morning was wrong. these subs get the full U.S. warranty of 3 years for electronics/driver and 5 years for box.

[Satanica]

I've taken a punt and got an SW-D8000 on order. We get such good prices for the Tonewinner brand here is Australia and at the moment there is 15% of from Selby. The SW-D8000 (dual 15 inch) can be run either ported or sealed. I've always liked the concept of having dual opposed drivers.

https://www.selby.com.au/price-promise/tonewinner-sw-d8000-subwoofer.html

https://en.tonewinner.com/tonewinner-dual-15-inch-dsp-powered-subwoofer_p120.html

 

 

Edited June 2, 2024 by Satanica

[decryption]

Also interested to learn more. On paper these seem like incredible bang for buck. Hard to get a sub that goes under 20Hz for under $2000 but the SW-D6000 claims 15Hz for $1700. Tempted to buy 4x of these, but also curious hy there’s so few reviews around on YouTube. I assume it’s because Americans have so many cheap subwoofer choices Tonewinner doesn’t really stand out. 

[Satanica]

49 minutes ago, decryption said:

Also interested to learn more. On paper these seem like incredible bang for buck. Hard to get a sub that goes under 20Hz for under $2000 but the SW-D6000 claims 15Hz for $1700. Tempted to buy 4x of these, but also curious hy there’s so few reviews around on YouTube. I assume it’s because Americans have so many cheap subwoofer choices Tonewinner doesn’t really stand out. 

Perhaps because it's not made in America by a non American company?

[Domza84]

Also looking at the Tonewinner SW-D6000 subs (2) and have watched a few reviews on YT, and the measurements seem promising especially when compared to the variosu SVS Subwoofers (PB-3000 & PB-16 Ultra) which are fantastic subwoofers in their own right. It seems as the Tonewinner SW-D6000 are tuned quiet well and also offer a range of tuning options via the App which is quiet remarkable given the very modest price point for the performance you get. I had considered going dual SVS subs but given the pricing of the SVS subwoofers, it would be the more entry level models in the SVS range I would be considering.

 

Now given the RRP of the Tonewinner SW-D6000's it seems like a more viable option for me especially opting to go dual and certainly represents great value which has gained my interest as with many of you. I've currently got an older SVS PB-2000 (1) and for many years it has done the job well and have been very happy with it, but my curiosity has got the better of me and am considering two of these Tonewinner SW-D6000's for low end duties in my dedicated Theatre Room as I've always wanted to go dual and this seems like a no brainer in respect to being a great value proposition. I have noticed that they are currently at 15% off which is even more appealing to me.

 

I've spent some time going over the specs and comparing these specs to the SVS offerings and it seems like they (Tonewinner) are really making a statement! The fact that they have very impressive specs and can hold their own against the top brands (performance wise) in this category and offer a range of features such as some great tuning options from the dedicated app which is a great propostion to potential buyers considering the price. To also include a XLR Balanced Input represents even greater value and is not usually seen at this price point.

 

I think for me the next steps will be to see if I can have in in-store demonstration so I can make my decision but would be great to hear from other users of this sub and their thoughts..

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

[decryption]

On 05/06/2024 at 8:14 PM, Satanica said:

Perhaps because it's not made in America by a non American company?

 

Could be - the USA has access to a lot of good cheap subwoofers. Monolith, HSU, Monoprice etc.

[Satanica]

6 minutes ago, decryption said:

 

Could be - the USA has access to a lot of good cheap subwoofers. Monolith, HSU, Monoprice etc.

 

Yes, and in the USA, they pay more for Tonewinner than us. In fact I notice that Australian prices appear to be as good if not the best in the world.

[DazzS]

I bought a D2000 a couple of weeks ago from Selby. It's my first proper sub but I'm very happy with it. I did a fair bit of research before getting it and I can't see any better value options. 

[Satanica]

A D8000 came promptly from Selby, great service. It was really well packed being double boxed. Getting a 70kg subwoofer out of two boxes was a challenge, but doable and they have now become inside cubby houses for my two young boys.

 

The Tonewinner phone app is fantastic, not only did it update the sub's firmware it's also more responsive with even more features than the equivalent SVS app. I had a bit of trouble working the D8000 in with my already two SVS PC-13's (with updated plate amps) but got there in the end with the D8000 set to Deep Mode and high passed at 16Hz/24dB to match the SVS subs. 

Edited June 19, 2024 by Satanica

[geotos]

6 hours ago, Satanica said:

A D8000 came promptly from Selby, great service. It was really well packed being double boxed. Getting a 70kg subwoofer out of two boxes was a challenge, but doable and they have now become inside cubby houses for my two young boys.

 

The Tonewinner phone app is fantastic, not only did it update the sub's firmware it's also more responsive with even more features than the equivalent SVS app. I had a bit of trouble working the D8000 in with my already two SVS PC-13's (with updated plate amps) but got there in the end with the D8000 set to Deep Mode and high passed at 16Hz/24dB to match the SVS subs. 

Cogratulations mate!!! Enjoy!!!

 

I'm thinking of buying the D8000 before the end of the month to get the special. Can you tell us how it sounded? What's the bass quality like compared to the SVS's you have? How is the sound pressure? Does it vibrate the house or windows with just the one D8000 without your other subs playing? Is one D8000 enough for let's say a 6mx6m room since it has two subs? (That's without having other subs in a setup). Since it has two subs in the one unit Is it like having two single subs or one? In othe words, does it do the job of two single subs or the job of one sub since it can only go in one location being in one unit?

[decryption]

11 hours ago, geotos said:

Since it has two subs in the one unit Is it like having two single subs or one? In othe words, does it do the job of two single subs or the job of one sub since it can only go in one location being in one unit?

I'm also keen to know this. A single D8000 is more wife acceptable than two D6000s in my cinema room!

[Satanica]

12 hours ago, geotos said:

Cogratulations mate!!! Enjoy!!!

 

I'm thinking of buying the D8000 before the end of the month to get the special. Can you tell us how it sounded? What's the bass quality like compared to the SVS's you have? How is the sound pressure? Does it vibrate the house or windows with just the one D8000 without your other subs playing? Is one D8000 enough for let's say a 6mx6m room since it has two subs? (That's without having other subs in a setup). Since it has two subs in the one unit Is it like having two single subs or one? In othe words, does it do the job of two single subs or the job of one sub since it can only go in one location being in one unit?

 

Thanks.

It sounds good, as expected considerably more powerful than my SVS PC-13's which I now have up the front with my main speakers and the D8000 as a rear subwoofer.

I can't say it sounds any better or worse than my SVS subs, but seemingly has more headroom and extension, as expected.

It took alot to work out how to set it up because there are so many options in the app.
For me, I found Deep Mode with the HPF (High Pass Filter) and LPF (Low Pass Fiter) turned off was best in my current system.

I have all of my subs crossed over hard at 80Hz.

 

I think one is enough for a 6m by 6m room, but obviously two or more are better.

 

The D8000 does not have two subs and cannot be considered two subs; it has two drivers and it is one sub.
The advantage of multi subs is that you have more than one lower bass source, which deals with room issues, but only if you spread them out and/or randomly place them.
From SVS: https://www.svsound.com/blogs/subwoofer-setup-and-tuning/75040195-why-go-dual

So, depending on your budget, you may consider two smaller subs such as two D6000's for example.

 

Having said that, I have a soft spot for subs that have dual opposing drivers that cancel out vibrations and I detect virtually no vibration from the D8000.

Also, because the drivers are on the side, I think that maybe the D8000's sound output can couple a bit better to walls because the drivers can be positioned closer to walls.

This sub is really big and comes in useful to put things on, especially as it doesn't vibrate.

 

Good luck in your subwoofer quest.

Edited June 20, 2024 by Satanica

[decryption]

5 minutes ago, Satanica said:

This sub is really big and comes in useful to put things on, especially as it doesn't vibrate.

 

Interesting - does this mean it would be cool to put a large bookshelf speaker on top of without any ill effects?

[Satanica]

18 minutes ago, decryption said:

 

Interesting - does this mean it would be cool to put a large bookshelf speaker on top of without any ill effects?

 

Yes, I've seen pictures of people doing this with their Arendal dual opposed subwoofers.
I considered this but went against it because I think there might be some ill diffraction and\or SBIR effects.

Especially as my speakers (Dutch & Dutch) have side vents to create a cardioid dispersion.

Perhaps I was over thinking it, but I just wanted to be safe.
If a subwoofer is not very wide, not wider than the speakers designed to sit on top of it, then I think this can work well, such as the Genelec W371A SAM which is designed to have Genelec speakers on top of it. https://www.genelec.com/w371a

Edited June 20, 2024 by Satanica

[geotos]

1 hour ago, Satanica said:

 

Thanks.

It sounds good, as expected considerably more powerful than my SVS PC-13's which I now have up the front with my main speakers and the D8000 as a rear subwoofer.

I can't say it sounds any better or worse than my SVS subs, but seemingly has more headroom and extension, as expected.

It took alot to work out how to set it up because there are so many options in the app.
For me, I found Deep Mode with the HPF (High Pass Filter) and LPF (Low Pass Fiter) turned off was best in my current system.

I have all of my subs crossed over hard at 80Hz.

 

I think one is enough for a 6m by 6m room, but obviously two or more are better.

 

The D8000 does not have two subs and cannot be considered two subs; it has two drivers and it is one sub.
The advantage of multi subs is that you have more than one lower bass source, which deals with room issues, but only if you spread them out and/or randomly place them.
From SVS: https://www.svsound.com/blogs/subwoofer-setup-and-tuning/75040195-why-go-dual

So, depending on your budget, you may consider two smaller subs such as two D6000's for example.

 

Having said that, I have a soft spot for subs that have dual opposing drivers that cancel out vibrations and I detect virtually no vibration from the D8000.

Also, because the drivers are on the side, I think that maybe the D8000's sound output can couple a bit better to walls because the drivers can be positioned closer to walls.

This sub is really big and comes in useful to put things on, especially as it doesn't vibrate.

 

Good luck in your subwoofer quest.

Thanks heaps for that detailed information. Has helped me understand better about the two drivers. I will order this sub for sure because to at least equal the sound quality of those pc13's is huuuuuuge. 

Edited June 20, 2024 by geotos

[Satanica]

6 hours ago, geotos said:

Thanks heaps for that detailed information. Has helped me understand better about the two drivers. I will order this sub for sure because to at least equal the sound quality of those pc13's is huuuuuuge. 

 

And the D8000 would seemingly pulverise a PC-13/PC-4000 when it comes to output before compression, and for much less money.
I used to think SVS to be good value, I got the two PC-13's for $3,800 delivered back in 2015 and that price was for two.

SVS subs are much more expensive in Australia these days, especially compared to USA prices.

Edited June 20, 2024 by Satanica

[hopefullguy]

hi mates, i actually have gone with 2 D-6000 in my 4x6.5x3m room.  they will be at the front with a older svs 20-39 pc+ with an upgraded 800w amp (vs the old BASH 500w) at the back of the room, nearfield.

i also have 2x older 15" velodyne subs that might be used instead of the svs sub, set up nearfield behind each seat in the 2nd row.... i did have 2x svs original pb2000's that were at their release good but got old with sub mid range bass, well for me anyway.

i looked at the D-8000 but 2 were out of my budget. i removed the D-6000's from the boxes just to check that blutooth worked (there have been recorded odd problems at first set up with that but mine both worked) the app seems great and much more user friendly than reaching behind subs to tweak things. ( i am re building my HT room so put them back in their boxes. getting them out was fun getting them back in was a pain.)

anyway agree svs not on a big discount are not worth the money here or in the U.S. either. Klipsch subs are interesting but no app means reach around again haha.

 

anyway 2x D-6000's will surely bring my neighbors.... better get more chairs haha

 

just a pint on the D-8000 there is only one user review on summit hifi and he sold his pb16 ultra's after comparing in his room. note we pay LESS than Canadian's do so i expect them to go up at some stage.
 

Edited June 20, 2024 by hopefullguy

[geotos]

On 20/06/2024 at 5:27 PM, Satanica said:

 

And the D8000 would seemingly pulverise a PC-13/PC-4000 when it comes to output before compression, and for much less money.
I used to think SVS to be good value, I got the two PC-13's for $3,800 delivered back in 2015 and that price was for two.

SVS subs are much more expensive in Australia these days, especially compared to USA prices.

I remember when SVS brought out the PC13. I was very impressed seeing reviews and the amount of vibration to rooms it was doing on youtube. I thought it was a huuuuge monster. This Tonewinner brand is a win win for us Aussies as this D8000 is a huuuge beast and we have probably the best price in the world after China. Finally something decent for us as we have always had to go with elcheapo models of other brands due to the high cost of other brands here. The tide has finally turned for us. I would say we win due to cheaper shipping costs seeing China is closer to us. The other brands do have heaps further to travel to us increasing cost. I always wanted the SVS PB 16 ultra but the cost is a 100% not justifiable for me. Now we have a sub probably equal, if not better to the 16 ultra at an awesome price. The 3800 you paid for the PC13's was an awesome price. I too would have considered them at that price. Today you need roughly 9300. I must say today's price of SVS being so high isn't just shipping. Glad I took ages to decide on a sub.

Edited June 21, 2024 by geotos