Saxon Hall Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Today in Mansfield Vic a ceremony was held to mark the restoration of the graves of the 3 policemen killed by Ned Kelly and his gang at Stringybark Creek http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/kelly-victims-will-not-be-forgotten-say-descendents-20131024-2w3y5.html In the century that has passed since Ned Kelly was hung , he seems to have become a larger than life character, who polarises public opinion I thought I would see what people here think
Upfront Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I wouldn't say he was a completely innocent. But history is written by the victors. A very corrupt police force at the time being the victors. We will never know the truth.
Guest Muon Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) Convicted Murderer & Criminal. A bit like our version of Billy the Kid? Edit: He also had bad hair! Edited October 24, 2013 by datafone
JeffK Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Is Chopper Reid a modern day equivalent? And was Kelly a symbol of Irish anti-authority?
Guest Muon Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Chopper Reid was..... Sorry, I might get suspended if I finished the above, at the very least most of it would be censored
Upfront Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I think he was very much backed into a corner by the time the shoutout took place. I see him like a lot of Australians do... A rat bag that got out of control. I think if he were born in the 60s, he and Keith Moon would have got on famously. 1
Upfront Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Convicted Murderer & Criminal. A bit like our version of Billy the Kid? Edit: He also had bad hair! Apart from the beard, that's how the young people these days wear their hair!
Guest Muon Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Villain, and I'm related to him. I'm sure the hair is not a hereditary thing, just a bad hair day
Guest Muon Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Apart from the beard, that's how the young people these days wear their hair! That supports my criticism of it
Saxon Hall Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 I guess I should give my opinion. I have never been a Kelly fanboi, I just do not buy the "he was done wrong" hype. A low down murdering rat is what I think. 1
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted October 25, 2013 Volunteer Posted October 25, 2013 Someone had to stand up for inuit rights, didn't they?
lencolad Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Everyone is both good and bad to some degree. Mr K was a bad boy who got badder but he did some good things too (like burning mortgage documents to clear the debt obligations of battlers. But if you were a bank shareholder that was bad ...) The thing I find disturbing about the Kelly story is that many Aussies regard themselves similarly as rough tough individualists who don't take cr*p from anybody yet when the time comes to stand up they are just snivelling crawlers. But I live in WA where Kelly has no relevance (like Captain Cook, the First Fleet, the Rum Rebellion blah blah blah) so what would I know ? Edited October 27, 2013 by lencolad 1
colinm1 Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Everyone is both good and bad to some degree. Mr K was a bad boy who got badder but he did some good things too (like burning mortgage documents to clear the debt obligations of battlers. But if you were a bank shareholder that was bad ...) The thing I find disturbing about the Kelly story is that many Aussies regard themselves similarly as rough tough individualists who don't take cr*p from anybody yet when the time comes to stand up they are just snivelling crawlers. But I live in WA where Kelly has no relevance (like Captain Cook, the First Fleet, the Rum Rebellion blah blah blah) so what would I know ? the Pinjarra murder ,by a black man , were fairly bad in their time,and taken care of by the police and their helpers, they got rid of the lot of them ,no matter if they were involve or not !!,from reports men women and children were killed,more than 50 I recall ! im afraid even w.a. has a dark past ,if you wish to dig deep enough, at the time the police were hailed as heroes !!! ,later they found out the murderer was not killed in the raid,
lencolad Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Bit off topic but yes, lots of chopping-up lurking in the shadows. The Capel River mouth massacre and so on. But why don't we revere Governor Macquarie and revile Captain Macarthur ?
Super Mustud Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 The thing I find disturbing about the Kelly story is that many Aussies regard themselves similarly as rough tough individualists who don't take cr*p from anybody yet when the time comes to stand up they are just snivelling crawlers. Do you think that stereotype is still really aspired to? I would have thought it has passed away as something that people see themselves as.
lencolad Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 That image is probably redundant though the odd Ned K letterbox and tattoo or t- shirt pops up occasionally. The generation that did stand up to fascism when it had to was followed by those who disturbed the social order in the period 1965-90 but now there's not much happening other than the occasional shouting-down of ranters on public transport. Though hopefully people would still get up if they had to but life's so easy in Oz now.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 Ned Kelly was forced into his position by corrupt coppers and a system which was skewed towards coppers.
Super Mustud Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 Ned Kelly was forced into his position by corrupt coppers and a system which was skewed towards coppers. He was forced to become a stick-up merchant? How did the other 99.5% of the population manage to escape this inevitability?
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted October 28, 2013 Volunteer Posted October 28, 2013 He was forced to become a stick-up merchant? How did the other 99.5% of the population manage to escape this inevitability? You need to understand his motivations in the context of my previous post on the matter.
Super Mustud Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 You need to understand his motivations in the context of my previous post on the matter. I suppose one thing is reasonably clear. There would have been few others in the area pondering inuit rights.
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