manchu Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) On 18/01/2025 at 2:13 PM, Kaynin said: Hard wired cameras don’t need 240v, they are powered from your ethernet cable. It’s great, no need for a sparky at all. Im pretty sure you do technically need a sparky even for Ethernet wiring through the house. edit: apparently you need a licensed cable installer that can do security, data etc. Doesn't necessarily need to be a full blown electrician. Can't legally DIY unless your cables aren't running through walls etc. Edited January 21 by manchu 1
Kaynin Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, manchu said: Im pretty sure you do technically need a sparky even for Ethernet wiring through the house. edit: apparently you need a licensed cable installer that can do security, data etc. Doesn't necessarily need to be a full blown electrician. Can't legally DIY unless your cables aren't running through walls etc. Great, so we agree no need for a sparky at all. 1
Addicted to music Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) If you don’t know what you’re doing it is recommended you get someone professionally to install Ethernet. A license qualified electrician can do it safely so it’s away at least 10cm 100mm not running parallel to any electrical mains. And you’re not drilling into walls where there is 230VAC or plumping! Nearly all CCTV installers will be able to do this too. Just remember POE has a set of wires that has power (not mains power) so it can power up the camera you’re running. Ethernet is duplex, but with CCTV it’s simplex hence they allocated a pair for power Edited January 21 by Addicted to music 1
manchu Posted January 21 Posted January 21 6 hours ago, Kaynin said: Great, so we agree no need for a sparky at all. sure. Point is though that you can’t DIY. Your statement can be interpreted otherwise 1
Kaynin Posted January 21 Posted January 21 12 minutes ago, manchu said: sure. Point is though that you can’t DIY. Your statement can be interpreted otherwise A poster said 240v and I said they’re powered over ethernet, no need for a sparky. That speaks for itself, precise and succinct. You want to elaborate on DIY and add anything else outside of my comment then knock yourself out, but don’t try and twist my statement on an account of your lack of knowledge. 1
Addicted to music Posted January 21 Posted January 21 38 minutes ago, manchu said: sure. Point is though that you can’t DIY. Your statement can be interpreted otherwise Please provide link to the electrical codes that saids a license electrician has to lay Ethernet cable.
manchu Posted January 21 Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, Addicted to music said: Please provide link to the electrical codes that saids a license electrician has to lay Ethernet cable. Needs to be a ‘registered cabling provider’, Not necessarily an electrician but that’s probably who I‘d use because that’s who I know and they could do some other stuff at the same time. https://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/71488/S009_2020.pdf 1
Addicted to music Posted January 21 Posted January 21 7 hours ago, manchu said: Needs to be a ‘registered cabling provider’, Not necessarily an electrician but that’s probably who I‘d use because that’s who I know and they could do some other stuff at the same time. https://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/71488/S009_2020.pdf Only if the equipment is connected to the telecommunications infrastructure requires minimal standards, Page 5 of your. link stipulates this. I have defined minimum standards in a previous post, and if you are unsure use an electrician or like you said a “cabler installer”. Which most are who installed POE CCTV. The minimum standards is that you don’t damage telecommunication infrastructure or injure of kill someone on the side of the line. POE CCTV connects back to a base not to the telecommunications infrastructure, the accredit approved base can then be connected to a standard modem that’s to your internet, so if you are doing DIY you need to be careful that you don’t run it parallel to mains wire at a distance of 100mm. As pointed out there are 3 standards of POE for CCTV and they are not Ethernet protocol as they are providing power and you don’t connect this side to any thing that connected to the internet. The rules are also there so you can identify what’s POE CCTV and Ethernet. For the base to connected to internet the equipment needs to have a communication tick and must be approved to connect to the telecommunication infrastructure. Now if you have FTTH (Optic Fibre), you still need to observe these minimum requirement even though there are zero chance of you damaging telecommunication infrastructure or injuring someone. 1
bob_m_54 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 10 hours ago, manchu said: Needs to be a ‘registered cabling provider’, Not necessarily an electrician but that’s probably who I‘d use because that’s who I know and they could do some other stuff at the same time. https://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/71488/S009_2020.pdf Correct in that the cable needs to be installed by a licensed installer. But from what I've seen from some electricians, I'd be doing a very thorough inspection of the installation myself (in reality I'd do it myself, but that's just me). My comment in reference to some electricians is from experience working with them in an industrial situation, and also from when I used to do TV antenna installs, and having to completely rewire some jobs.
RCADees Posted January 21 Posted January 21 There are many reasons why this type of industry (electrics and trades in general etc) is heavily regulated in Australia, and mostly it is because there are a lot of stupid people out there who are ready to take risks without any knowledge and accidents or death will happen. I can understand that. However, in other countries there is limited room to allow non-electricians to do basics and allow people to think for themselves. This shows that even the most basic of tasks are prohibited to be performed here unless it is done by full blown electricians and that may be too much? An example is the UK: "Can I do my own electrical work?: You can do your own electrical work if you are competent to do so. Simple tasks such as wiring a plug are within the grasp of many people but more complex tasks, such as modifying an electrical installation, may not be. It is particularly important that anyone who undertakes electrical work is able to satisfy the requirements of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 and the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989." https://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq.htm I guess in Australia we have gone the full fear scare mongering narrative to keep everyone else, who is not a fully accredited electrician, away from anything electric. Even an Ethernet cable. A bit extreme I guess. But then again I am not sure that many people out there would even take basic precautions as Addicted to Music pointed out, to not drill through a wall and a plumbing connection (insulation batts 2009 anyone?). Thank you to Addicted to Music and Kaynin for pointing out some basics so that the whole electricity subject is not enshrined in secrecy and fear and instead we can all learn a bit more about what is possible and what is not. What we could be doing and what we shouldn't be doing too. 2
Addicted to music Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 22/01/2025 at 9:03 AM, bob_m_54 said: Correct in that the cable needs to be installed by a licensed installer. But from what I've seen from some electricians, I'd be doing a very thorough inspection of the installation myself (in reality I'd do it myself, but that's just me). My comment in reference to some electricians is from experience working with them in an industrial situation, and also from when I used to do TV antenna installs, and having to completely rewire some jobs. Yes, some are actually cowboys and give the industry a bad name, i never trust any tradies, especially electricians, cable installers or power cord certifiers......
audiofeline Posted January 23 Posted January 23 And looking at my post quoted above, I see that I made a typo and the title should have been "Check the tradies' work". To make sure that their work works, if you follow me. 1
cazzesman Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Did anyone have connection issues after the latest eufy updates on the 24th? I had to reboot the router and the home base to get it all working properly. Before that it was huffing and puffing, taking forever to load, often failing. After my resets, it all seems to be working fine. Was it just my set-up? I have 5 x EufyCam 2's running wireless and internal battery running only. Regards Cazzesman
Addicted to music Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) On 28/2/2025 at 12:44 PM, cazzesman said: Did anyone have connection issues after the latest eufy updates on the 24th? I had to reboot the router and the home base to get it all working properly. Before that it was huffing and puffing, taking forever to load, often failing. After my resets, it all seems to be working fine. Was it just my set-up? I have 5 x EufyCam 2's running wireless and internal battery running only. Regards Cazzesman I’m running the latest FW, but I’m using totally different hardware compared to you and don’t have an issue Edited March 2 by Addicted to music 1
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