PJ64000 Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) I recently bought a Thorens TD-160 from a member of this forum. I have not had a turntable for close to 20 years and have some vinyl from that era. I love having a turntable again. I have some LPs that I also have on CD. Let me say, I do not want to start a war around vinyl being better than CD etc. With some of the stuff I have listened to I have not noticed much, if any, difference between the two formats. There have been some tracks that I believe there is more detail coming through when I listen on the vinyl version. Does anyone else find this? (could also be read am I deluded or mildly insane?) Edited August 20, 2013 by PJ64000
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted August 20, 2013 Volunteer Posted August 20, 2013 Don't mention the war..... 4
Candyflip Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Not starting the argument... Share some vinyl around? http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/topic/54536-pay-it-forward-vinyl-for-free/
emesbee Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Some of it no doubt would have something to do with the relative quality of your digital and vinyl playback equipment. I also have a number of recordings on LP as well as CD. In some cases I reckon the vinyl sounds better, with other recordings the CD has the edge, and in at least one case I'm hard pressed to pick one over the other. 1
Warren M. Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Where I have a recording on both CD and vinyl, in my system, the differences are invariably audible. And almost invariably, the vinyl sounds substantially better. However, it was not so clear before I upgraded my phono preamp and moved to a valve integrated amplifier (previously Arcam solid-state separates). My feeling right now is that my record playing system and my CD/SACD playing system are both exceedingly good, but that records simply sound better than CDs. I suspect that, listening to my system, others would feel the same way. Between LPs and SACDs, in the few cases I have a recording on both, the LP wins out but not by much, and maybe other listeners would have a different opinion. 2
Stump Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) I have the same CDs with different remasters that sound different.I have the same Vinyl with different remasters that sound different.Some prefer CD sound and would pick the CD.Some like the Vinyl sound and pick the Vinyl.I like BOTH formats for what they are and enjoy them both!! Stump P.S I have x2 arms on my turntable which make the same LP sound different.Same with my x 2 CD player machines!So many variables.. Edited August 21, 2013 by Stump 1
PJ64000 Posted August 21, 2013 Author Posted August 21, 2013 Thanks for the replies - I feel a lot more "normal". 2
ochremoon Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 I can always hear a difference, sometimes major and sometimes not. What I have found is that really well recorded/mastered/pressed vinyl generally blows the cd away, but that often the vinyl is not very well done and in these cases I prefer the cd. I cannot agree with those that say one format is always better; this probably just reflects a difference in the quality of their respective sources (or subjective bias). Getting great sound from vinyl is not a cheap exercise, however. 1
buddyev Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 Yes its bit of a fruitless argument which is best for me. I just played some monteverdi on an lp i bought today for $1 and it is spectacularly better than any of his work i have on cd - brilliant recording and pressing. But this night and day difference on my relatively modest system is pretty rare. But i do like playing records.
andyr Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Yes its bit of a fruitless argument which is best for me. I just played some monteverdi on an lp i bought today for $1 and it is spectacularly better than any of his work i have on cd - brilliant recording and pressing. But this night and day difference on my relatively modest system is pretty rare. But i do like playing records. Which Monteverdi? Andy PS: Why do you "like playing records"? Playing vinyl is a complete PITA, IMO - compared to silver discs - but I continue to do it bcoz it sounds so much better! (But then, the cost of my vinyl playback components far outweighs my CDP.) Edited August 21, 2013 by andyr
Warren M. Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 Which Monteverdi? Andy PS: Why do you "like playing records"? Playing vinyl is a complete PITA, IMO - compared to silver discs - but I continue to do it bcoz it sounds so much better! (But then, the cost of my vinyl playback components far outweighs my CDP.) Considering that my record playing system (turntable/arm/cartridge/phono preamp) cost several times as much as my exceptionally high-performance digital player, I would be a little annoyed if records did not regularly blow away CDs for sound quality. But occasionally an SACD will come along which, in spite of the difference in price, is absolutely breathtaking in its realism. As for the annoyance of playing a record, over the simplicity of digital, there is a certain zen about the process which, pardon the pun, gets me into the groove. Cheers Warren Cheers.
David.M Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) I'm also a late returner to vinyl and have hundreds of titles on both CD & vinyl. I've found, at least for late 60's onwards pop/rock, reasonable quality vinyl is almost always better than the best digital issue (& of course what is the best digital is a matter of opinion). I should say though that some of my DCC & the better MFSL CD/SACDs equal or even better 'average or less' quality vinyl so I've been on the merry-go-round of buying better pressings (usually 1st or very early), repeating the process I went through with digital a few years ago Unlike Warren I wish I could have the audio quality of vinyl with the simplicity/convenience of digital, not to be. So far at least the exception seems to be well done DSD recorded SACDs (classical), at least sonatas/trios with piano/string where the timbre & lifelike qualities of the instruments are at least equal to what I have on vinyl (not so with older analogue recordings). Edited August 21, 2013 by David.M
Guest yamaha_man Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) In my system almost always vinyl sh!ts on CD. With the exception of some Orange Goblin vinyl I purchased this year. They are fairly low-fi at the best of times but in this case every record sounds worse than the CD, very very disappointing! Edited August 21, 2013 by yamaha_man
hired goon Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) I have two different systems. They do not sound the same. I have two different turntables. They do not sound the same. I put two different carts on the same turntable. They do not sound the same. I have a CD player and a turntable in the same system. They do not sound the same. I have a UK first pressing of an LP and an Oz pressing. They do not sound the same. I have a Japanese first pressing of a CD and a remastered CD. They do not sound the same. I put my system into a different room. It did not sound the same. I ripped my CD to lossless and played it through the Squeezebox. It did not sound the same. Different things sound different. One highly subjective counterexample: I ripped an LP to lossless and played it back through my Squeezebox. It did sound the same. --Geoff Edited August 22, 2013 by hired goon 7
lovetube Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 CD sounds good in the car :-) that is Classic Duc
buddyev Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Which Monteverdi? Andy PS: Why do you "like playing records"? Playing vinyl is a complete PITA, IMO - compared to silver discs - but I continue to do it bcoz it sounds so much better! (But then, the cost of my vinyl playback components far outweighs my CDP.) Andy Sacred vocal music of Claudio Monteverdi — Emma Kirkby, Ian Partridge , David Thomas The Parley of Instruments Hyperion 1981 I'm quite new to vinyl (2.0) and still making my mind up whether or not to put more in it. I'm not a partisan of any particular format and my opinion on absolute sound quality is probably not very reliable and I can't always pick the difference between vinyl, cd and apple lossless. But I have a few lps that sound so magically better than anything I have on cd that I'll probably persevere. The PITA for me is having to track down lps when cds are so cheap and easy to find — I went out yesterday to buy some viny, l couldn't find much that I really wanted but came back with a bag full of cds. Russ Edited August 21, 2013 by buddyev
Warren M. Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 CD sounds good in the car :-) My vinyl record of John Cage's 4 minutes 33 seconds is unbelievably realistic in the car. It is as if he is really not playing the piano right there in the vehicle. 1
metal beat Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 My vinyl record of John Cage's 4 minutes 33 seconds is unbelievably realistic in the car. It is as if he is really not playing the piano right there in the vehicle. Warren Your table looks great in the car :-) 5
darthlaker Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Love the carpet! Did they have fake grass back then? 1
cheekyboy Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Love the carpet! Did they have fake grass back then? Hi, M, I was thinking the same thing, that it looked like syn grass!! Cheers, Keith
holliswhy Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 dear digital Johnny Darko, when will you do a comparison to settle this once and for all?
Addicted to music Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I'm not into vinyl, but I have never totally got rid of my vinyl collection, and I am thankful that I haven't!
Addicted to music Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Warren Your table looks great in the car :-) Don't care about the color, where can I get that TT? And to think I'm not into vinyl!
davidsss Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 From what I've read you need special records to go with the in car TT. DS
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