Rockford Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 17 hours ago, Get off My lawn said: The One Step of Bridge Over Troubled Water is not as consistently good, but some of the tracks do sound amazing. I dont really have anything special to compare it to, just a standard pressing from 2007, but the One Step certainly sounds much better than that. A lot of people are saying this, that the source material/masters were pretty ordinary to begin with. What I don't understand is why it has gone to silly prices for it. $800 or so I think. What are people paying for? A hard to get album remaster which sounds pretty ordinary? Unlike the SATVV which by all reports sounds wonderful and is priced for both the rarity and quality. Although MFSL have no excuse now, not to churn out another 50K copies of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 How many of you Mofi sukers are joining in? This is starting to feel like Bill's cables NEW CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT “Vinyl record seller Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab was hit with a consumer class action Thursday in Illinois Northern District Court. The case, brought by Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz and Bursor & Fisher, contends that Mobile albums on vinyl which are marketed as 'purely analog,' or made from original master recordings, have actually been produced from digital files since 2011. Counsel have not yet appeared for the defendant. The case is 1:22-cv-04405, Stiles v. Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab, Inc.” from Law.com Radar 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankn Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Yawn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David.M Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 18 hours ago, metal beat said: How many of you Mofi sukers are joining in? This is starting to feel like Bill's cables NEW CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT “Vinyl record seller Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab was hit with a consumer class action Thursday in Illinois Northern District Court. The case, brought by Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz and Bursor & Fisher, contends that Mobile albums on vinyl which are marketed as 'purely analog,' or made from original master recordings, have actually been produced from digital files since 2011. Counsel have not yet appeared for the defendant. The case is 1:22-cv-04405, Stiles v. Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab, Inc.” from Law.com Radar only in America! probably the same people who flip, never miss an opportunity to make a $ 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davd2664 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Mobile Fidelity Lawsuit #2: -> STILES v MOBILE FIDELITY SOUND LAB, INC. The complaint in this second class action lawsuit is different inasmuch as the plaintiff resides in North Carolina and the laws being cited as having been breached are: • Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act • North Carolina Unfair and Deceptive Trade Practices Act The latter best known as the NC UDTPA can be interpreted very broadly proving both Judge and if it comes to it, Jury with rather a wide latitude. Moreover, the complaint filed in this lawsuit is far more detailed and informational than the initial class-action lawsuit filed in Washington State's 9th District. It is rather thorough providing the court and readers of the complaint with graphics: photographs, charts and tables. I am linking to the complaint below: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zV8YxTGtieqkwpKBJQxxe0e4z2ZoBbL/view?usp=sharing and for those who want fuller historic context, a link to my commentary and updates on all this over at dagogo.com The MoFi Predicament Edited August 24, 2022 by davd2664 blancmange 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Snow Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, davd2664 said: Mobile Fidelity Lawsuit #2: -> STILES v MOBILE FIDELITY SOUND LAB, INC. The complaint in this second class action lawsuit is different inasmuch as the plaintiff resides in North Carolina and the laws being cited as having been breached are: • Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act • North Carolina Unfair and Deceptive Trade Practices Act The latter best known as the NC UDTPA can be interpreted very broadly proving both Judge and if it comes to it, Jury with rather a wide latitude. Moreover, the complaint filed in this lawsuit is far more detailed and informational than the initial class-action lawsuit filed in Washington State's 9th District. It is rather thorough providing the court and readers of the complaint with graphics: photographs, charts and tables. I am linking to the complaint below: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zV8YxTGtieqkwpKBJQxxe0e4z2ZoBbL/view?usp=sharing and for those who want fuller historic context, a link to my commentary and updates on all this over at dagogo.com The MoFi Predicament That is interesting, I really appreciated the chart on page 14 of the "complaint" as it clarified the difference between analogue & digital in an easy to understand way (good for me) Article on Mofi Predicament very good too - this comment left there was one I had not thought of & kind of showed they were busted and knew it " Michael of In Groove and Michael of 45 RPM made their claims based on rumour’, and Fremer further adds that he knew of the rumour” but could not prove it.” Odd then, that Mobile Fidelity would react as it did, in so quickly granting Michael Esposito an interview. Would they not have first asked him for proof of his claims?" Edited August 24, 2022 by April Snow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U_J Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Looking at the MoFi info supplied with 1 Step pressings it is clear that they never claimed that the process was all analogue but it can be inferred from the small pic of a tape as "the master" prior to the pressing, I guess they are guilty of misleading information or guilt by omission ? I would presume like most people that have purchased older Mofi "Original Master" recordings that they always cut from the Master tapes thus you rely on previous history with the company and expect that the newer pressings are done in the same manner. It is an entirely different matter whether the DSD step degrades the sound or not as their is still scope for pressings to sound different because the recoding enginner still applies his own EQ after the Master tape to provide the final mixdown that ultimately gets cut hence there is always likely to be difference between a Kevin Gray or a MoFi or Analogue productions pressing. Even the old MoFi pressings had distinct differences in the EQ between say a UHQR and a Original Master. Watching various reviews of the Mofi 1 Step recordings and comparisons with other pressings that were done prior to this scandal erupting it is clear that some of the 1 Step pressings ( not all ) are clearly superior to other pressings as judged by some of the guru's online like the two Michaels, Fremer and 45RPM Audiophile so in effect they did a blind test and preferred the DSD mastered versions ! I note the anguish in 45RPM's voice after the discovery almost like he was embarrased that he had posted videos from a year before of how good some of the 1 step recordings ( and mastering ) are and therefore approving of the DSD master. As an aside I pointed out on a U.S. forum that I had my eyes opened in regard to mastering from digital when I met Chad Kassem at a HiFi show in L.A. 6 or 7 years ago and I was raving about the amazing quality of the record "Poet Game" by Greg Brown that I had bought from Acoustic sounds, and Chad says " yes and can you believe it was mastered from the CD because the master tapes were not available ! " I was a little shocked to say the least. As others have said the fact that they were mastered from a DSD does not change the fact that if they sounded good before they still sound good now, unfortunately however MoFi has effectively unhidden the truth of artificially creating a high value for a limited release in the vinyl world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abelb Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) On 24/8/2022 at 1:32 PM, U_J said: it is clear that they never claimed that the process was all analogue but it can be inferred from the small pic of a tape as "the master" prior to the pressing, I guess they are guilty of misleading information or guilt by omission ? I would presume like most people that have purchased older Mofi "Original Master" recordings that they always cut from the Master tapes thus you rely on previous history with the company and expect that the newer pressings are done in the same manner. MoFi supplies an insert with every one step that would take some imagination to interpret as anything but direct from original analogue master. And yes your point about hit and miss sound quality is what keeps people like me coming back. My mate has the Dave Grisman Jerry Garcia 45rpm which sounds spectacular. Unfortunately it was sold out so I got the SACD which I was happy to have even though it wasn’t at the same level as the LP. Not quiet sure why but it annoys me now. Maybe because it was one of the few AAA releases and one of the few I went for the SACD with. Edited August 26, 2022 by abelb Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted August 24, 2022 Volunteer Share Posted August 24, 2022 6 hours ago, U_J said: Looking at the MoFi info supplied with 1 Step pressings it is clear that they never claimed that the process was all analogue but it can be inferred from the small pic of a tape as "the master" prior to the pressing, You don't need to look at the picture of the tapes...If you read the blurb, they explicitly state: "MFSL engineers begin with the original master tapes and meticulously cut a set of lacquers" 14 minutes ago, abelb said: MoFi supply an insert with every one step that would take some imagination to interpret as anything but direct from original analogue master. And yes you’re point about hit and miss sound quality is what keeps people like me coming back. My mate has the Dave Grisman Jerry Garcia 45rpm which sounds spectacular. Unfortunately it was sold out so I got the SACD which I was happy to have even though it wasn’t quality at the same level as the LP. Not quiet sure why but it annoys me now. Maybe because it was one of the few AAA releases and one of the few I went for the SACD with. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davd2664 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Clapton’s UNPLUGGED… UN-ANALOGUE???? The Magic Vinyl vs Digital website made an exhaustive comparison of the Eric Clapton – Unplugged (Vinyl, CD, DVD stereo, DD 5.1, Streaming, MOFI One Step and SACD) The link can be found here: https://magicvinyldigital.net/.../eric-clapton-unplugged.../ From their section entitled Ed9: Vinyl MOFI One Step ref UD15 2-020 -2022 “Presentation: MOFI UltraDisc One-Step Edition, Original Master Recording with 2 LPs in 45 rpm, presented in a very nice box. For this vinyl, there is no ambiguity about the origin of the master which is indeed digital (as shown by the response curves).” And taken from their Spectrum section for the same MoFi One Step: “The mastering between the MOFI vinyl version and the MoFi SACD version is a bit different. There is a bump of more than 5 dB between 15 kHz and 20 bHz for the vinyl compared to the SACD (yellow area). There is also a small difference in the bass (green zone). For both versions, we find the 22 kHz limit of the original digital master (with a 44.1 kHz sample rate).” And then from MoFi’s own website where on July 28th of this year we were informed that source/provenance information would be backfilled. To be fair the folks at MoFi may have not gotten to it yet, but here’s what it reports for the Eric Clapton Unplugged One Step: https://mofi.com/.../eric-clapton-unplugged-ultradisc-one... “MASTERED FROM THE ORIGINAL MASTER TAPES AND LIMITED TO 10,000 NUMBERED COPIES” No mention of digital. And if The Magic Vinyl vs Digital website indeed got this right, then this One Step took a step down from DSD to the land of Red Book CD, 44.1 kHz for its source. What does this portend? Will all of MoFi’s assertions of provenance require proofing and validation from a 3rd party? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlov Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 On 13/8/2022 at 2:42 PM, metal beat said: Went over to Greg's place this morning and compared Marvin Gaye What's Going On. One Step Modfi 45rpm and Universal 33.3 release, mastered by Kevin Gray. John was also present and Greg played the tracks DBT so we couldn't see what he was playing. Kevin Gray $50 has the clear win against the $250 One Step. KG's mastering just made Marvin's vocals magical and the ambience of the studio was more present. Bass was similar. Overal the KG was just more engaging. Thanks to @April Snow for bringing the cheap KG to our attention. It certainly is the modfi giant killer. I am pretty sure the KG analog el cheapo 2020 remaster will be equally impressive vs the One Step version of Santana Abraxas. Cheers Oh boy how I would love to be there 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelganger Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 hours ago, hlov said: Oh boy how I would love to be there Happy to give you a blind comparison as well next time you’re over, Hector! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1000 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 On 13/8/2022 at 2:42 PM, metal beat said: Went over to Greg's place this morning and compared Marvin Gaye What's Going On. One Step Modfi 45rpm and Universal 33.3 release, mastered by Kevin Gray. John was also present and Greg played the tracks DBT so we couldn't see what he was playing. Kevin Gray $50 has the clear win against the $250 One Step. KG's mastering just made Marvin's vocals magical and the ambience of the studio was more present. Bass was similar. Overal the KG was just more engaging. Thanks to @April Snow for bringing the cheap KG to our attention. It certainly is the modfi giant killer. I am pretty sure the KG analog el cheapo 2020 remaster will be equally impressive vs the One Step version of Santana Abraxas. Cheers Just picked up the Kevin Gray pressing replacing a 2012 EU pressing - Amen - loving it 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrology Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Maybe MoFi are being paid a finders fee for getting everybody to the buy the Gray cut/Universal pressing to compare? Seems like there a hell of them being sold in the last 2-3 weeks!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hydrology said: Maybe MoFi are being paid a finders fee for getting everybody to the buy the Gray cut/Universal pressing to compare? Seems like there a hell of them being sold in the last 2-weeks!!! I bypassed the modfi, which I generally do and just bought the KG Edited August 26, 2022 by metal beat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlov Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 On 25/8/2022 at 4:45 PM, Doppelganger said: Happy to give you a blind comparison as well next time you’re over, Hector! Awesome, thanks mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 another One Step slayer? Since Kevin Gray is doing the mastering and they say it's AAA, good enough for me. I have one on order. https://www.discogs.com/release/24322637-Curtis-Mayfield-Super-Fly-The-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John0001 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 There seems to be a big uptick in MoFi records for sale in the classifieds here and also on Discogs. No idea if there's any correlation with the 'outing' of MoFi's digital step but it could be the reason... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) So bois. How are all the digital One Step releases going? Everyone still buying them as soon as they are released? thankfully for me 99% of the releases have no interest to me as many have been reissued nicely many many times over and are none are any favourites of mine musically. there are a PITA to play as well getting up after one track on some releases Edited February 19, 2023 by metal beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Snow Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, metal beat said: So bois. How are all the digital One Step releases going? Everyone still buying them as soon as they are released? thankfully for me 99% of the releases have no interest to me as many have been reissued nicely many many times over and are none are any favourites of mine musically. there are a PITA to play as well getting up after one track on some releases Are you feeling like a challenge today by poking the bear (the evil new Winnie the Pooh one) Edited February 19, 2023 by April Snow 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 2 hours ago, April Snow said: Are you feeling like a challenge today by poking the bear (the evil new Winnie the Pooh one) LOL. Have you noticed all the Modfi fans have gone to ground 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankn Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Just got the One Step of Michael Jackson; Thriller . Sounds good to me. The digital step (or not) doesn’t bother me at all. Quote 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Snow Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, frankn said: Just got the One Step of Michael Jackson; Thriller . Sounds good to me. The digital step (or not) doesn’t bother me at all. Quote I bought the standard Mofi 45rpm Elvis "Blue Hawaii" and love that too, at least I know what I am buying now if I choose to. The Elvis is very very good Edited February 19, 2023 by April Snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, April Snow said: I bought the Elvis "Blue Hawaii" and love that too, at least I know what I am buying now if I choose to. The Elvis is very very good There is a One Step " Blue Hawaii " ? I had a look and it seems to be a 45rpm normal mofi? But, there is a One Step of " From Elvis in Memphis " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Snow Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, metal beat said: There is a One Step " Blue Hawaii " ? I had a look and it seems to be a 45rpm normal mofi? But, there is a One Step of " From Elvis in Memphis " Sorry my bad - Blue Hawaii is the "standard Mofi 45rpm I do not own any 1 Steps (I shall edit the previous post) Edited February 19, 2023 by April Snow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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