zipstartcanoe Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Bi-wire Kondo KSL-SPz are the best I have heard in my system; by far.
Darren69 Posted August 11, 2013 Author Posted August 11, 2013 Niiice. My fwend brought his ribbons around a few weeks ago and the blew my poor little ones into the weeds. http://www.lenehanaudio.com.au/index.php/products/cables/ribbontek-speaker-cables.html I don't subscribe to the 'speakers cables don't matter one iota' thingy, I have heard and I believe!
Guest Muon Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Love to try Ribbontek, but with a tight budget I have to stick to a lower tier, so after years of different DIY cables with varying results I grabbed some of Geoff's and that put an end to any DIY cables for me I love bang for buck, and at my level Geoff's are a winner for me, but if I could go higher I think the Ribbontek's would offer the same bang for buck in a higher range.
Guest fordgtlover Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) Wouldn't we want speaker cables to not be heard? Shouldn't they be completely transparent to the sound? Edited August 11, 2013 by fordgtlover 1
Darren69 Posted August 11, 2013 Author Posted August 11, 2013 Who is this Geoff you speak of Data?? Sorry GT man but I laughed at your post, I mean, how could you ever know the cables are not colouring your music???
Guest Muon Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) Oh, sorry, Geoff makes cables he brands as 'Aurealis' here in Brisbane and sells via his shop on the bay. http://stores.ebay.com.au/Audio-Turntable-Accessories?_rdc=1 Using quality materials and connectors that don't seem to fit with his affordable pricing, they have a bit of a following here with some of us. Edit: He is a member here too.... Edited August 11, 2013 by datafone
bhobba Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) Wouldn't we want speaker cables to not be heard? Shouldn't they be completely transparent to the sound? In my experience there is no such thing as any piece of gear, cables, anything, that is completely transparent. The best you can do is get something that tricks your brain into saying - this is real. The best I have heard is Lenehan Ribbontek. But I did lend them to a guy is the US who thought Ridge St Audio had the edge: http://ridgestreetaudiodesigns.com/ But they are really wild. The guy goes to the trouble to actually draw his own wire and build the cables in the same direction they are drawn. Thanks Bill Edited August 11, 2013 by bhobba 2
Guest fordgtlover Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Who is this Geoff you speak of Data?? Sorry GT man but I laughed at your post, I mean, how could you ever know the cables are not colouring your music??? Your response made me laugh. The question is the same either way - how could you ever know the cables are or are not colouring your music? Perhaps this could be a zen meditation question. As for me, I'm happy using standard industry grade cable such as Canare. A zillion live gigs and recording and broadcast studios can't be too far wrong... just sayin' 5
Guest Muon Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Agree with you, Bill. Everything influences the sound and has a sound signature IMO, we can minimise negative influences and aim for a signature that is preferable... but that's about it. I was surprised at how much graininess was absent after moving to the cables I have now, couldn't recognise it being there till it was removed.
bhobba Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) Wouldn't we want speaker cables to not be heard? Shouldn't they be completely transparent to the sound? how could you ever know the cables are or are not colouring your music? In which case how would you know they are completely transparent to the sound? Thanks Bill Edited August 11, 2013 by bhobba
Janjuggler Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Hi I have found Chord Carnival to be very good at a reasonable price, ~ $10 metre plus connectors .... JJ
davewantsmoore Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Sorry GT man but I laughed at your post, I mean, how could you ever know the cables are not colouring your music??? You pose this question like you don't actually want somebody to answer it.
davewantsmoore Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 In which case how would you know they are completely transparent to the sound? "completely transparent to the sound" is difficult to satisfy.... but if you wanted to investigate the effects one has, then you could measure it, or listen to it, compared to other cables ... or best, "very short" cables (ie. good short wire soldered directly from driver to amp)
Dolphy Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 As obsessive compulsive "audiofiles" have you ever thought that the improvement are simply placebo effects? I do want to buy a pair of Geoff's cables.
Darren69 Posted August 11, 2013 Author Posted August 11, 2013 Sorry Dave, I have just regained consciousness from blacking out after being exposed to janucs avatar. Umm, no, am happy to be educated on how one may put some leads to use and say oh those are very transparent whilst the others we listened to aren't... However, if you put graphs etc up, I will instantly glaze over. I would argue that transparent sound is a myth. 1
Guest Muon Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 As obsessive compulsive "audiofiles" have you ever thought that the improvement are simply placebo effects? I have always taken this into consideration, and a quick back and forth between the two given components can give an answer to this if the difference is not big, if the difference is very obvious then I don't bother. The differences will be larger or less depending on the given system and the listeners perceptive abilities IMO.
davewantsmoore Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 I would argue that transparent sound is a myth. Speaking in absolutes will always lead there. If you want to objectively know if one cable is better than another... you'll need a 'graph'. Subjectively?... Just plug one in an have a listen (not rocket science). The concept of "how would we ever know?!" .... sounds quite daft to me. If you believe your ears, use them... if not, use a more accurate measuring stick. 1
Janjuggler Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Sorry Dave, I have just regained consciousness from blacking out after being exposed to janjucs avatar. Hi Darren You seem to be the most susceptible to my hidden messages, just keep watching the Avatar for the full effect JJ 1
bhobba Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 As obsessive compulsive "audiofiles" have you ever thought that the improvement are simply placebo effects? That's a well known debate. Its highly doubtful any audiophile is not aware of it. We can be fooled - no doubt - the issue I have is why is the assumption made we must be being fooled. I watched the interesting show Mind Games about how people can be fooled and manipulated. But what I didn't get out of it was everything we experience is people being manipulated and fooled. In fact it would be very bizarre if that was what was happening and I would suggest anyone that thought that would get very strange looks - and rightly so - it really is a bizarre view of the world. Yet for some reason that seems to be what some think is always happening when people report differences in the sound of audio gear. To anyone that doubts it there is a simple remedy - do a simple blind test - and post about it. Personally though I trust what I hear - like I do with the stuff I experience day to day. Thanks Bill
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