gz76 Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Words of wisdom from a friend’s 6 year old daughter on the difference between a Lee Morgan album on LP and CD. Brilliance on display. "I don’t like the small one. The big one is prettier and you can see the man’s face. Why would anyone want the small one?" I have no idea why Jasmine, I have no idea! Source 7
Newman Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 The real reason for LP! And at such a young age... 1
tuyen Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 LOL! I read recently a wiki about the diff between vinyl & cd too. Funny enough, they mentioned as an example the same reason why the little girl preferred the big black one. Link here: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Myths_(Vinyl) As described below, despite decades of arguments, there is no technical proof of the sonic superiority of the vinyl medium compared to CD. One vinyl record may sound better than its equivalent CD for extremely specific reasons. That does not mean the medium as a whole is superior. Many people do prefer listening to music to vinyl rather than on CD or digital formats. Many of those reasons have nothing to do with actual sound quality, and have more to do with the tactile characteristics of vinyl - its "feel" - like larger artwork and its required playback ritual. Others prefer listening to CDs for a different set of reasons. There is nothing wrong with preferring vinyl to CDs, as long as the preference is honestly stated on emotional terms, or is precisely quantified and tied to subjective experience, and not obscured with (fallacious) technical appeals. 2
andyr Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 There is nothing wrong with preferring vinyl to CDs, as long as the preference is honestly stated in emotional terms The interesting thing about the above statement, IMO, is that listening to music ... is all about emotion! Regards, Andy 6
tuyen Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Definitely Andy. If the whole process of playing a record makes you feel more connected to the music, then more power to you! No one's arguing with you there YOLO. Enjoy it!
Newman Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 If only they had made CD's 500mm in diameter, gold coloured, in a silk sleeve, with a 20 page liftout... she would've picked CD! (And she still would have been in tune with the audiophile community )
eman Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Just package decent sounding CDs (ala Hoffman mastered gold CDs) in a big sleeve.
andyr Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Definitely Andy. If the whole process of playing a record makes you feel more connected to the music, then more power to you! No one's arguing with you there YOLO. Enjoy it! That's not the way I see it, tuyen. I say that listening to vinyl gives you a more emotional experience than listening to digital. If digital did deliver the same emotion - I would abandon vinyl in a flash. (It probably will ... but it cannot at present.) Regards, Andy
tuyen Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Andy, do you feel there is a technical reason why vinyl brings more emotion to the music? Better tone? More realistic dynamics? Differences in mastering between the two formats? Noise floor differences?
tuyen Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Distortion profiles? Freq response bandwidth between the two formats?
Briz Vegas Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Wax cylinder was the last true format for me. Edouardo-Leon got it so right. Everything after that is audiophile rubbish. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=7Vqvq-f-UtU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7Vqvq-f-UtU 1
unclemack Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Oh please, not this crap again! I love my vinyl, I love using my turntable, I love looking at the engineering of my turntable and the beautiful artwork on my records. Is it technically better? Who gives a sh*t? the analogue camp will never convince the digitals and vice-versa. The best medium is the one you choose to deliver what we all agree is best...the music! let it rest guys and just enjoy what you're hearing. Blessings M 8
davewantsmoore Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Distortion profiles High orders of distortion seem to be very insidious..... where as limited bandwidth and dynamic range, can be not such a big deal. Is it technically better? Who gives a sh*t? the analogue camp will never convince the digitals and vice-versa. Anyone who doesn't want to be "convinced" shouldn't bother discussing it IMO ;-)
Sub Sonic Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 If only they had made CD's 500mm in diameter, gold coloured, in a silk sleeve, with a 20 page liftout... she would've picked CD! (And she still would have been in tune with the audiophile community ) They did something like that, it was called Laser Disc. Had moving pictures too. Didn't last long :-) Regards, SS
emesbee Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 That's not the way I see it, tuyen. I say that listening to vinyl gives you a more emotional experience than listening to digital. If digital did deliver the same emotion - I would abandon vinyl in a flash. (It probably will ... but it cannot at present.) Regards, Andy Actually, I get an emotional experience from listening to music. When I play vinyl, I try to listen to the music and not the vinyl, but unfortunately it does intrude into the music more than I would like at times. Likewise, when I play digital, I listen to the music, which is analogue, of course. I'm not sure how one would listen to digital, seeing as the ear has evolved to convert analogue sound pressure waves into electrical signals for interpretation by the brain. No, its listening to the musical performance that gives me an emotional experience, and that is independent of the recording medium.
proftournesol Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Just tell her to wait 50 years and then try to read the microscopic writing on the small one. Impossible!
Addicted to music Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Regardless of medium, I listen to tunes because it relaxes my soul, puts a smile on my face, almost as good as having s-x, it doesn't matter what rig or system or a cheap portable radio, a tune is a tune! An artist work is to be enjoyed, it has a hypnotic effect where you can just let loose and go with the flow!
andyr Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Andy, do you feel there is a technical reason why vinyl brings more emotion to the music? Better tone? More realistic dynamics? Differences in mastering between the two formats? Noise floor differences? Distortion profiles? Freq response bandwidth between the two formats? I don't waste time worrying about things like that, tuyen. But if you held my hand to the fire, I would probably say that the 20KHz brick-wall filter imposed by CD technology is the culprit. (IE. a brick wall filter @ 192KHz probably doesn't have this problem.) Regards, Andy
Newman Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 Just tell her to wait 50 years and then try to read the microscopic writing on the small one. Impossible! And with 'mood lighting'. :angry:
Newman Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 Just tell her to wait 50 years and then try to read the microscopic writing on the small one. Impossible! I think this side issue is worthy of its own thread.
audible1 Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 if you want your CD to sound like (or better than LP) get an Audio Glass CD improver. I kid you not, this removes the high frequency 'glare'. I have demonstrated this to many people and there has not been one example of a cd that has been improved significantly. The difference of a lathed disc is far greater than any improvement from CD to SACD.
Abe Khamis Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 if you want your CD to sound like (or better than LP) get an Audio Glass CD improver. I kid you not, this removes the high frequency 'glare'. I have demonstrated this to many people and there has not been one example of a cd that has been improved significantly. The difference of a lathed disc is far greater than any improvement from CD to SACD. I have invested in their ultrasonic LP cleaner at the results are simply amazing. Is it that much of a difference using the CD Improver?
at68 Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 For me, it depends on how many clicks and pops on the record. Too many makes me focus on that rather than the music.... I have about 50/50 vinyl/Cd so i am agnostic. Record players are a bit more temporamental, and not good with too much wine! CD's can act like pipe cleaners on your ears depending on the recording! Who cares. Enjoy both for what they offer. Have fun! Adam
audible1 Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I too was skeptical about the Audio Glass Cd Improver. I never thought the green / black pen ever made a difference when I tried it years ago. I scooped a CD improver used up on Ebay for $400. I note the retail is $1200 new. Seriously this thing is incredible. It bevels the disc to scatter stray laser light out of the disc. Even at $1200 it is a bargain. It all looks like voodoo and snake oil but try one out. Sydney Castle Hill Hifi stock them and you can ask them to bevel a disc for you to listen to. I have shown many friends who were very skeptical about it. All have the same conclusion as me. If you are unhappy with CD / SACD this is the answer.
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