Dave Tomic Henry Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 I've been struggling with my new system for a little while. I'm just not happy with the results. I'm seriously considering just starting from scratch. I have still to try a couple more things - But that moment is quickly approaching. At what point have you just said "That is it. I'm starting over."
Guest kab Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Every other day would probably be the most common answer i'd say. cheers.
daemon d Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Been there, gave up, started again bit by bit from the speakers back. I got to that point when I realised that everything was fairly good but nothing was great, and speakers were the first to come into the firing line (again). So I went jimbo on those and then most of the rest followed, except a couple of sources.
THOMO Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 When you are listening to the system and not the music. 6
wolster Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Why not share what components are involved and you might get some suggestions.
Dave Tomic Henry Posted June 24, 2013 Author Posted June 24, 2013 Why not share what components are involved and you might get some suggestions. http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/topic/49478-mish-mash-by-be/ I suppose, I wasn't trying to talk directly about my own whingy whiny issues - That I've been slowly working through,.... But at what point other enthusiasts say,.... Its time to move on....
Dave Tomic Henry Posted June 24, 2013 Author Posted June 24, 2013 When you are listening to the system and not the music. Here is the 'thing'. I love listening to music, but I'm not that far from loathing the sound I'm getting. It is totally detracting myself from just listening. I'm not running a 100k hifi, far from it. But I do care how it sounds. As ad hoc as most of my systems have been - This iteration just isn't working for me. The result? I just don't listen to as much music as I used too.
Newman Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 I get the feeling the new digs have a role in this. Also, possibly the small speaker is not the right type for you, maybe the heft of a full ranger suits you better….
Mushroom01 Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 At what point have you just said "That is it. I'm starting over." When i win this on Sat night!!!! :lol:
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Start thinking logically. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Sort your room out FIRST. Forget about your equipment. A quick look at your gear suggests that you have reasonable equipment. Get rid of the guitars from the room. Whack some decent damping material around the place. Move the equipment around and see what happens. Find some really good, acoustic recordings and listen to them. As little processing as possible. See what happens. The cost will be minimal. 1
joz Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Is it the full range sound that you are missing? Once the room is sorted, perhaps try adding a sub.
houdinifangs Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Clearly you are missing a turntable - once you get into vinyl you never again have any HiFi anxiety
Darren69 Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Are you going to have an awesome CD/Dac going cheap? haha. Darren hears crickets....
georgehifi Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) It's a wonder no one else has picked up on this (Audiophiles gota love them) As Zaph said, the main thing get the guitars out of the room, the bodies of them will be resonating like mad through bass and midrange notes. Cheers George Edited June 24, 2013 by georgehifi
Newman Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 It's a wonder no one else has picked up on this (Audiophiles gota love them) As Zaph said, the main thing get the guitars out of the room, the bodies of them will be resonating like mad through bass and midrange notes. What I actually 'picked up' on, was that the guitars are long gone. 1
THOMO Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) I tried to get on with CA and a range of Audio GD DACs and never really got musical engagement.I went for about 4 months hardly listening to my system when I had that setup as a digital source.It was only when I put my old CD palyer back in my system that I started listening and enjoying it again. I have said this elsewhere but I think there is something odd about the Audio Gd DACs in regard to rhythm and timing.If you are sensitive to this-and most musicians are-then it will cause detachment.It is subtle but it is there. A friend who knows a lot more about DACs than me reckons it is the output stage of the Audio Gd DACs that is wrong. Edited June 25, 2013 by THOMO
buddyev Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Its very hard to give any thoughts on the subject unless you can identify what you don't like about the current sound. The problem with giving up and starting over is that you might end up with something just as bad if you don't think it through. The change in speakers is major. The ushers I'm sure are sounding a bit thin and lacking in scale after changing from floorstanders. What didn't you like about the bigger speakers?
gainphile Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 I've been struggling with my new system for a little while. I'm just not happy with the results. I'm seriously considering just starting from scratch. I have still to try a couple more things - But that moment is quickly approaching. At what point have you just said "That is it. I'm starting over." I guess first you need to identify where the problem lies acoustically. This means investing in a measurement tool and learning how to use/interpret the data. Otherwise you may end up into the same situation after more $$$ ? 1
Dave Tomic Henry Posted June 25, 2013 Author Posted June 25, 2013 I get the feeling the new digs have a role in this. Also, possibly the small speaker is not the right type for you, maybe the heft of a full ranger suits you better…. The DI is only there because of the Tenor TE8802 driver issues which I just simply can get get past. It was an interim cheap solution. Its made the situation worse. Start thinking logically. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Sort your room out FIRST. Forget about your equipment. A quick look at your gear suggests that you have reasonable equipment. Get rid of the guitars from the room. Whack some decent damping material around the place. Move the equipment around and see what happens. Find some really good, acoustic recordings and listen to them. As little processing as possible. See what happens. The cost will be minimal. I have very little options in the new room. I've played with positioning a fair bit. Going from a dedicated listening room to bedroom certainly changes the dynamics of the situation. Is it the full range sound that you are missing? Once the room is sorted, perhaps try adding a sub. Clearly you are missing a turntable - once you get into vinyl you never again have any HiFi anxiety Yes and No? Considering getting back into that side again! But that does mean acquiring a proper pre as opposed to the dac/pre setup I have now. Are you going to have an awesome CD/Dac going cheap? haha. Darren hears crickets.... I think moving the Dac and DI on is very likely. Even if it is just to make way for a another dac and a seperate pre. It's a wonder no one else has picked up on this (Audiophiles gota love them) As Zaph said, the main thing get the guitars out of the room, the bodies of them will be resonating like mad through bass and midrange notes. Cheers George Sadly in that house/room that was the only place we could store the guitars. It certainly wasn't ideal. Its very hard to give any thoughts on the subject unless you can identify what you don't like about the current sound. The problem with giving up and starting over is that you might end up with something just as bad if you don't think it through. The change in speakers is major. The ushers I'm sure are sounding a bit thin and lacking in scale after changing from floorstanders. What didn't you like about the bigger speakers? Compared to the Noteperfects - They are miles apart. But they're very different speakers. The floor standers went because they were simply too large and at the time I was going to be moving to an apartment. Which will still happen later in the year. I guess first you need to identify where the problem lies acoustically. This means investing in a measurement tool and learning how to use/interpret the data. Otherwise you may end up into the same situation after more $$$ ? I've read a lot of what you have posted regarding measurements as well as posts by others. Might go flick back through some suggested equipment posts and start on a different tact? Thanks everyone for their input!
Dave Tomic Henry Posted June 25, 2013 Author Posted June 25, 2013 In regards to the sound.... I'm finding it very 'hard/harsh' in the upper ranges. When I ended up having to use the DI, this further compounded the situation. In the previous room, I never noticed the harshness from the Audio-GD. With this new room/speaker combo - Its all a bit much! The Ushers for their size do reasonably well down. I'm not expecting earth shattering lows from them - But I certainly miss the sound of my previous floor standers. Over the next week I'm going to give the Ushers a whirl in a different setup and have a good listen. As I've really only had the opportunity to listen to them in this current circumstance.
remii Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 Somewhat off topic, but I had those exact Note Perfect speakers at my place for 3 months or so when the bloke you bought them off was between houses. It's a shame they're so hideously ugly, otherwise I'm sure either one of us would've kept them forever. Such an awesome speaker! I had the exact same problem going back to my Ushers as well. They're too revealing when it comes to digital material, whereas the NP's smeared baby oil over everything. Just move the speakers on dude. The good news is that you won't tear up too much on them because they're cheap to begin with. The other thing you can do is try one of those DACs that use the old Phillips chips. TDA1543 or something. Teradak Chameleon, Valab & **** like that.
betty boop Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 yes are you missing that full range sound ? of the larger floor standers ? in which case easily fixed. grab a sub or buy the bases that go with the s520s and extend the bottom range mking them full rangers. but yeah I would work on setup. positioning. the gear is not the problem I dont think make the best of the room and how you have things setup within. can be amazing what you can eek out just with that
Dave Tomic Henry Posted June 27, 2013 Author Posted June 27, 2013 Somewhat off topic, but I had those exact Note Perfect speakers at my place for 3 months or so when the bloke you bought them off was between houses. It's a shame they're so hideously ugly, otherwise I'm sure either one of us would've kept them forever. Such an awesome speaker! I had the exact same problem going back to my Ushers as well. They're too revealing when it comes to digital material, whereas the NP's smeared baby oil over everything. Just move the speakers on dude. The good news is that you won't tear up too much on them because they're cheap to begin with. The other thing you can do is try one of those DACs that use the old Phillips chips. TDA1543 or something. Teradak Chameleon, Valab & **** like that. I really enjoyed the NPs. But they were far from perfect. The high indeed was very muddy/softened. I concur moving the ushers on.
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