Grumpy Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 Anyone ever heard of this or actually done this or doing this? I remember reading somewhere that some of the newer type motor oils are just the thing for TT bearing.
GregWormald Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 I use the special stuff formulated by Vince for his Once Analog tables. It seems to work fine in a Linn. Greg
Grumpy Posted May 24, 2013 Author Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Good evening Greg. I know there are many 'made for' oils. but I did read about the success of a motor oil somewhere Edited May 24, 2013 by Grumpy
GregWormald Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 Mobil 1 has a reputation of equalling the best racing synthetics in high performance motor cycle engines. I suppose if it doesn't work you could just clean it out and try something "made for". Greg
rocky500 Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) On the Lenco forums it is suggested that some people use 10W/40 oil. Quote from http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=2022.0 Oil:The type of oil is open for experimentation. Thick or thin, it's really up to you and the mechanical state of yourbearing. Some use standard 10W/40, others Mobil 1 or special turntable bearing oil. Bottom line is: find outwhat suits you.Cleaning agent:Lighter fuel, isopropyl alcohol, methylated spirits, acetone and probably lots of others.Caution! Please be aware that these fluids are potentially dangerous to your health andhighly flammable! Edited May 24, 2013 by rocky500
proftournesol Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 Arthur at Funk Firm recommends a synthetic motor oil for PT and Funk bearings.
Batty Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 Gary, when you came over for the pre amp GTG I was using Rover SAE 30 formula 4 oil for lawn mowers in the Rock bearing, so you have heard it yourself.
Decky Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 I used Mobile gearbox synthetic oil for Rega Planar 3 some time ago. Excellent performance.
GIGANTIC N TREMENDOUS Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 It's a recommended alternative to the original lubes used on old Dual tts. http://www.dual-reference.com/Troubles/1200lube.htm'>http://www.dual-reference.com/Troubles/1200lube.htm Just keep it away from plastic parts.
Full Range Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 Anyone ever heard of this or actually done this or doing this?I remember reading somewhere that some of the newer type motor oils are just the thing for TT bearing. I would recommend some Castrol Magnatec and if its to thick add a drop at a time some auto trans oil to blend/thin it
Darryl Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 Grumpy I've used Mobil 1 in days gone by, although not on the 401. I realise this is subjective, but I reckon it gave the turntables an extra 4 horsepower. I've still got heaps left, so if you want to try some send me a PM. I'm heading down your way later this afternoon. 1
Grumpy Posted May 25, 2013 Author Posted May 25, 2013 Thanks for the advice fellas, new I had read about it somewhere. Thanks Darryl, but I've, well my son, has some in his boot - not sure if the Garrard needs it, but I've had it upside down a few times during the re--build so thought I might top it up. I'll have to get you over for a listen again soon, but I've got a bit going on at the moment.
Newman Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 What exactly would the 'made for' oil do any better than the cheapest engine oil? I can't imagine an easier job for engine oil than to cruise around in a turntable bearing. Definition of underemployment
Batty Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 Did an oil change today, it took over half an hour for the sub platter to settle
Grumpy Posted May 25, 2013 Author Posted May 25, 2013 Did an oil change today, it took over half an hour for the sub platter to settle WHAT! half an hour without Marillion? Are you ok Steve, do you feel ok? 1
georgehifi Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) Anyone ever heard of this or actually done this or doing this?I remember reading somewhere that some of the newer type motor oils are just the thing for TT bearing. If you have a bearing like Linn TT's have, that is a thrust pad and conical spindle onto it, then a Molybdenum Disulfide based lube is the best, at this point. But whatever you do don't lube roller bearings with this stuff as it slip properties are so good the roller balls can actually not roll and just slide giving them a flat spot after a while. For roller bearings a "non friction modified" dino oil would be the best. I had a motor cycle mate who rebuilt his Kwaka 900 using this stuff on his new piston rings when he rebuilt his motor, and it never bedded in and it used oil like it was worn out. He fixed it by holding the revs up around 2,000rpm and blowing heaps of Ajax powder in through the intake of each carbi and that allowed the rings and bore to bed in, and stop using oil. Not ideal but it worked. Moto: too slippery can be detrimental. Cheers George Edited May 25, 2013 by georgehifi 1
Addicted to music Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 I never guess the consumerble used in any bearing arrangement for turntables or cars etc. Best thing to do is shoot an email enquiry whether it be LInn or Rega or Pink Triangle to determined the recommended product. Oils ant oils and I wouldn't be fooling around and making assumptions. Just because Mobile 1 is a synthetic doesn't mean that that oil is for every vehicle on the market, So my advise is to shoot that email to the manufacturer and ask then what was supplied and used originally. Please don't assume!
pete_mac Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) I had a motor cycle mate who rebuilt his Kwaka 900 using this stuff on his new piston rings when he rebuilt his motor, and it never bedded in and it used oil like it was worn out. He fixed it by holding the revs up around 2,000rpm and blowing heaps of Ajax powder in through the intake of each carbi and that allowed the rings and bore to bed in, and stop using oil. Not ideal but it worked.Moto: too slippery can be detrimental. Very true in the automotive world. The slipperiest oil ain't always the best!I have no such experience with turntables, but I may well try some full synthetic 5W40 on my Technics SL1600 soon. Edited May 25, 2013 by pete_mac
cafe67 Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Groove tracer sub-platter kit came with a small bottle of oil complete with eye dropper. They recommended only 2 drops down onto the bearing and a light smearing over the spindle.
daemon d Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 There are two basic types of turn table bearing, though a huge range of architectures on these types: 1 is the light weight support, small surface bearing style and oil is only acting as low visc' grease: this needs a relatively light oil as the bearing surfaces makes pressure contact that force the oil out, and need the oil to move back into the gap fairly quickly. These ones like machine oil or light engine oil. If they're dry or the oil is too heavy, they tend to rumble. This is the most common type and often used ceramic bearings, no oil pool and such. 2 is the heavy weight support, pressurised oil and medium surface bearing style: these usually rely on a heavy oil that may be under slight pressure from a helix on the shaft or wide bearing surface area, to minimise bearing surface contact. These ones work best with car diff oil. If they're dry they tend to destroy their bearing and if the oil is too light they rumble. Systemdek, Lynn and a fair number of the exotics use this system. Conical contact surfaces, spiral cut spindle shafts, deep oil baths and similar are methods used in this type. There are other less common systems, often with no oil, but most are one of the above.
PKay Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 I'm rehashing an old thread as I have recently bought a Lenco GL75 which is enroute from Tasmania. What oil/brand would people recommend for the bearings and motor? Lenco Heaven recommend a 3-in-1 oil or similar for the motor and for the bearing (straight copy from Lenco Heaven). Any suggestions on a particular type of special turntable bearing oil? Thanks. The type of oil is open for experimentation. Thick or thin, it's really up to you and the mechanical state of your bearing. Some use standard 10W/40, others Mobil 1 or special turntable bearing oil. Bottom line is: find out what suits you. Cleaning agent: Lighter fuel, isopropyl alcohol, methylated spirits, acetone and probably lots of others. Caution! Please be aware that these fluids are potentially dangerous to your health and highly flammable!
audiofeline Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 There are two versions of "3-in-1 oil" - one comes in a blue tin, the other in a red tin. Unfortunately, the one Bunnings stocks is not the right one for turntables. From what I've read, compressor oil is OK to use, but better to avoid normal car motor oil because of the additives in it.
PKay Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, audiofeline said: There are two versions of "3-in-1 oil" - one comes in a blue tin, the other in a red tin. Unfortunately, the one Bunnings stocks is not the right one for turntables. From what I've read, compressor oil is OK to use, but better to avoid normal car motor oil because of the additives in it. Do you know if this would be okay? https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/3-in-one-3-in-one-handy-oil-88.7ml/1124.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwg7KJBhDyARIsAHrAXaE9X75HcnL1Pkc1-LdIY16zWeT13dHhQbksIjy9ZlzxaM0493VYGnoaAjj_EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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