tuyen Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Watch this movie, all you music lovers. It is awesome! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125608/ http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/searching_for_sugar_man/
LogicprObe Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Sure...........as with all movies, they bend the truth to make a tale of it.
Upfront Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 My uncle used to always say... If a stories worth telling, its worth exaggerating! 1
LogicprObe Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 and your point is?? It's a bit like watching a Micheal Moore film, that's all.
ArthurDent Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 It's a bit like watching a Micheal Moore film, that's all. That's a pity as I thought it was about a talented but unappreciated (in his own country at least) artist and now you're saying it's just another doco about corruption, corporate greed, stupidity and rich folks screwing poor ones as they tend to do. 1
LogicprObe Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 That's a pity as I thought it was about a talented but unappreciated (in his own country at least) artist and now you're saying it's just another doco about corruption, corporate greed, stupidity and rich folks screwing poor ones as they tend to do. You've just about got it.
aertex Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Sorry to butt in here boys but respectfully you are both (Upfront and Logicprobe), shall we say cynics and "strangers of the truth". There is nothing wrong with a healthy dose on cynicism but one must also get familiar with the story and the (cold) facts first. It is probably fair to say that prior to this you have never heard of this guy. I have to say I have some connection with the story and the artist in question as I was "there" growing up in the 70's/80's at the time when (Sixto, pronounced see-toe) Rodriguez was making a major hit in South Africa. "Cold Fact" and "Coming from Reality" were on all my mates t/t's when you guys were rushing out to buy Daddy Cool, ACDC, Masters Apprentices and packing the pubs to see Orange (Cold Chisel). The funny thing for me is that at the time, as isolated as we were in South Africa, I/we didnt know that nobody else knew about Rodriguez other than us. We thought he was a world wide hit artist as he was extremely well known to us young music heads at the time. That part of the story was a revelation to me. Bev (b.d) can probably verify this story as he is of the same continent..should we say...but then again he is much too young!!! The movie is a true story of how this guys career started, sky rocketed in one "small" country/market...then died in the *&%^$@. Avid South African fans, in the 90's got curious as to "where the bloody hell are you?", and hunted him down. It is no doubt an emotional story, and attracts scepticism..but this story is unique as far as I know from any other of its kind. Thats maybe why it begs belief. Rodriguez now, well into his 70's has been thrust into the limelight. Everybody wants to hear him as he tours most of the world Which brings us to...ok, but how good is this guy??? Good question I say. The answer is for us all to make up our own minds. I can suggest though that he a style of song writing and singing that is not unlike Bob Dylan. Maybe a touch of Leonard Cohen. He certainly has real talent and tells stories of real life, from the heart, as in "cold fact". That could give you some clue as to how good he may be perceived. My suggestion is before conclusions are jumped to, see the movie, check up some facts (er...cold ones, preferably) and enrich your own musical souls Alan Edited May 22, 2013 by aertex 5
Pops110 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Went and watched it at Luna, me and the Missus really enjoyed it. Had to go and buy the cd as well, really enjoy that too. I think they were struggling a bit to make a full movie out of it. But it was really watchable and a good story. Cheers Dave.
ArthurDent Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Sorry to butt in here boys but respectfully you are both (Upfront and Logicprobe), shall we say cynics and "strangers of the truth". There is nothing wrong with a healthy dose on cynicism but one must also get familiar with the story and the (cold) facts first. It is probably fair to say that prior to this you have never heard of this guy. I have to say I have some connection with the story and the artist in question as I was "there" growing up in the 70's/80's at the time when (Sixto, pronounced see-toe) Rodriguez was making a major hit in South Africa. "Cold Fact" and "Coming from Reality" were on all my mates t/t's when you guys were rushing out to buy Daddy Cool, ACDC, Masters Apprentices and packing the pubs to see Orange (Cold Chisel). The funny thing for me is that at the time, as isolated as we were in South Africa, I/we didnt know that nobody else knew about Rodriguez other than us. I think you'll find that he was even more well known in Australia. 1
lebowski Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Well said Alan. I first discovered Rodriguez in the early 80's although none of my friends had heard of him. Cold Fact still gets played regularly in my household, it's such a great album. 1
aertex Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Kenn-I do know he did have a strong Aussie connection, but that was a bit later than on as I understand. This connection, as told by the avid South African "Sugar Man" producers and writters, was not highlighted, it is fair to say. South Africans still choose him as their own...much like Australia affliction with Crowded House. I understand he sold most of his records in SA Good stuff Leb . For those who want to venture out to discover Sixto Rogriguez...get "Cold Fact". It is an album of deep truths of life Edited May 22, 2013 by aertex
ArthurDent Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Crowded House! Bloody sheep shaggers (but formed right here in Melbourne and mostly Australians) Cold Fact was sold here before making it to South Africa and I'd think that way more copies were sold here. http://www.sugarman.org/coldfact.html Edited May 22, 2013 by KenTripp 1
Guest yamaha_man Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Seen it on a flight to Perth a few months ago, loved it! Highly recommended.
alcarp Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Sorry to butt in here boys but respectfully you are both (Upfront and Logicprobe), shall we say cynics and "strangers of the truth". There is nothing wrong with a healthy dose on cynicism but one must also get familiar with the story and the (cold) facts first. It is probably fair to say that prior to this you have never heard of this guy. I have to say I have some connection with the story and the artist in question as I was "there" growing up in the 70's/80's at the time when (Sixto, pronounced see-toe) Rodriguez was making a major hit in South Africa. "Cold Fact" and "Coming from Reality" were on all my mates t/t's when you guys were rushing out to buy Daddy Cool, ACDC, Masters Apprentices and packing the pubs to see Orange (Cold Chisel). The funny thing for me is that at the time, as isolated as we were in South Africa, I/we didnt know that nobody else knew about Rodriguez other than us. We thought he was a world wide hit artist as he was extremely well known to us young music heads at the time. That part of the story was a revelation to me. Bev (b.d) can probably verify this story as he is of the same continent..should we say...but then again he is much too young!!!The movie is a true story of how this guys career started, sky rocketed in one "small" country/market...then died in the *&%^$@. Avid South African fans, in the 90's got courios as to "where the bloody hell are you?", and hunted him down. It is no doubt an emotional story, and attracts scepticism..but this story is unique as far as I know from any other of its kind. Thats maybe why it begs belief. Rodriguez now, well into his 70's has been thrust into the limelight. Everybody wants to hear him as he tours most of the world Which brings us to...ok, but how good is this guy??? Good question I say. The answer is for us all to make up our own minds. I can suggest though that he a style of song writing and singing that is not unlike Bob Dylan. Maybe a touch of Leonard Cohen. He certainly has real talent and tells stories of real life, from the heart, as in "cold fact". That could give you some clue as to how good he may be perceived. My suggestion is before conclusions are jumped to, see the movie, check up some facts (er...cold ones, preferably) and enrich your own musical souls Alan Twice as good as Dylan but not half as successful as he isn't a WASP. Edited May 22, 2013 by alcarp
thesnodger Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Twice as good as Dylan but not half as successful as he isn't a WASP. I agree, had he been white or perhaps just even had an Anglo-Saxon sounding name (Rod Sixto?) name even (maybe that's pushing it) he definitely would have been huge.
van der Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Rodriguez was selling records and cassettes in Australia as early as 1972 , possibly earlier. I spent all my spare time surfing back then and Rodriguez was pretty well known , at least by the surf crew, who were always looking for some alternative music. And he made some pretty fine music. Cheers, Larry. 1
soundfan Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 There's another Rodriguez thread floating around on SNA I believe. I actually haven't seen the Searching For Sugar Man documentary yet, but did see him in concert in late March. Will buy it soon and watch. I've been a fan since the seventies too, and Cold Fact is a desert island disc for me.
LogicprObe Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Crowded House! Bloody sheep shaggers (but formed right here in Melbourne and mostly Australians) Cold Fact was sold here before making it to South Africa and I'd think that way more copies were sold here. http://www.sugarman.org/coldfact.html Like I said................history is being rewritten right before our eyes!
aertex Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Crowded House! Bloody sheep shaggers (but formed right here in Melbourne and mostly Australians) Cold Fact was sold here before making it to South Africa and I'd think that way more copies were sold here. http://www.sugarman.org/coldfact.html Errr..Kenn old sport...did I mention I am actually a Kiwi by birth who happened to live in SA for my formative years. Sheep shagging is...well..a way of life for us SSer's :D Rodriguez was selling records and cassettes in Australia as early as 1972 , possibly earlier. I spent all my spare time surfing back then and Rodriguez was pretty well known , at least by the surf crew, who were always looking for some alternative music. And he made some pretty fine music.Cheers, Larry. Bloody hell man. I knew you guys missed the Rodriguez boat. We were wearing out Cold Fact in 1970!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and we were surfers too Edited May 22, 2013 by aertex
aertex Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) I agree, had he been white or perhaps just even had an Anglo-Saxon sounding name (Rod Sixto?) name even (maybe that's pushing it) he definitely would have been huge. thesnodger-you are probably very right there. His Mexican/Native American heritage and looks was not a great advantage. Yes he will sadly never be as great as he could ever have been in a full career. His humble character and roots will prevent him from...should we say doing a world tour with Beyonce Edited May 22, 2013 by aertex
alcarp Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 thesnodger-you are probably very right there. His Mexican/Native American heritage and looks was not a great advantage. Yes he will sadly never be as great as he could ever have been in a full career. His humble character and roots will prevent him from...should we say doing a world tour with Beyonce Unlike Beyonce, his lyrics hold up a mirror to folks and the WASP doesn't like what he sees.
LogicprObe Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 I agree, had he been white or perhaps just even had an Anglo-Saxon sounding name (Rod Sixto?) name even (maybe that's pushing it) he definitely would have been huge. That's rubbish. We're talking about the days when record companies ruled. If that was the case, he would never have got recorded. It's more like bad management or his lack of drive...........sometimes, believe it or not, it's just luck. We're talking about the 70's here..........not the 20's.
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