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We have a launch on the 22nd March in Brisbane for the LS12000, should be good. Interested to see how they improved motion handling and the 2 way e-shift sounds interesting too.

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16 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

We have a launch on the 22nd March in Brisbane for the LS12000, should be good. Interested to see how they improved motion handling and the 2 way e-shift sounds interesting too.

Can you pm me a price 😄

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9 minutes ago, Just another member said:

A few places have just listed them this week for $8,999.

 

I'm curious as to how it compares to something like the JVC N5/NP5 which isn't much more to get native 4k and higher contrast.

 

Will be good to compare but I think given the NP5 has models above it using the same 65mm lens, I think Epson will still have the better lens somehow, but as you say native 4K and higher contrast is there too.

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50 minutes ago, HDobsession said:

 

Good in depth review. And the 9400 stays on as their entry cinema model. I wish JVC had of done this with the X-series machines. 

 

Conclusion
The EPSON test shows that they really didn't promise too much: With the new laser models LS11000 and LS12000, almost all aspects have been improved compared to their predecessors: The new ones are brighter, more colorful, sharper and, thanks to the laser, maintenance-free and more durable than their predecessors. Even the 11 model knows how to convince, the 12 model, on the other hand, is recommended for all perfectionists if the black color in the living room does not disturb. Without a doubt, both models are the worthy successors of the TW9400, which by the way is not being phased out and will remain in the range as a cheaper alternative. Which of the models is best for you? The best thing to do is to decide for yourself in a personal demonstration at one of the numerous Epson home cinema dealers throughout Germany.

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Epson LS1200 4K laser projector is a good one. I just got mine. Thinking about which screen to choose. One of considerations is ALR screen. The screen is made of a specific material that is created for this purpose, and a screen of this sort will always be the finest projector screen for ambient light difficulties and scenarios. Here is useful info about projector screens and a good review of some of them https://houseandbeyond.org/best-projector-screen/. I just ordered Elite Screens Aeon AUHD Series btw.

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6 hours ago, oztheatre said:

 

Good in depth review. 

It was Rich . The high calibrated nits [with dynamic] is perfect for larger screens and HDR sources . Can appreciate them leaving out the colour filter as it only drops the vital lumens for hdr specular detail . 

From other sources the gamma dtm solution is very good I read . These models are very competitive compared to another certain brand if you dont want 3d :classic_smile:  Nice lens ; .

 

The LS12000 uses an Epson VRX Cinema Lens with a proprietary 15-element lens structure designed for zero light leakage.

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23 hours ago, HDobsession said:

Hey everyone. Anyone looking at getting the new Epson LS1200 4K laser projector? Sound like it’s going to be awesome.

 

Oh your title is missing one zero, LS12000 not 1200, it's not a datsun 😁

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On 18/3/2022 at 9:57 AM, oztheatre said:

TW9400, which by the way is not being phased out and will remain in the range as a cheaper alternative. Which of the models is best for you?

 

a few things been highlighted by folks overseas  on the 12000 ... no 3D ! this is a shocker for some... the only explanation given is the 12000 is stuck in pixel shifting mode so cant do 3D that is 1080p only... perhaps a firmware update will fix this as its a natively 1080p projector .. why not be able to run it that way... its difficult to focus on the pixel grid with pixel shift enabled and many folks like watching 1080p as 1080p when have a native 1080p projector...

 

no iris... the unfortunate thing with this is you cannot then shut down the output to get 12-16FL / nominal 14FL for SDR and say set for 30FL for HDR.. kinda stuck on the 50% laser... and what ever that is at a minimum ...

 

also no colour filter.. so cant do 100% p3 anymore either ...

 

its also not fully supporting of hdmi 2.1 future set .... again something perhaps as a firmware update or updated model down the track ? 

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We've got one of these in for review around next week I think it arrives.

Can confirm it will be on display (working) at the show in June also.

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On 19/03/2022 at 5:29 PM, betty boop said:

 

a few things been highlighted by folks overseas  on the 12000 ... no 3D ! this is a shocker for some... the only explanation given is the 12000 is stuck in pixel shifting mode so cant do 3D that is 1080p only... perhaps a firmware update will fix this as its a natively 1080p projector .. why not be able to run it that way... its difficult to focus on the pixel grid with pixel shift enabled and many folks like watching 1080p as 1080p when have a native 1080p projector...

 

no iris... the unfortunate thing with this is you cannot then shut down the output to get 12-16FL / nominal 14FL for SDR and say set for 30FL for HDR.. kinda stuck on the 50% laser... and what ever that is at a minimum ...

 

also no colour filter.. so cant do 100% p3 anymore either ...

 

its also not fully supporting of hdmi 2.1 future set .... again something perhaps as a firmware update or updated model down the track ? 

 

It sounds like a solid state projector concentrating on the stability of the laser light source. 3D, yes, but even samsung ditched 3d as did many other TV manufacturers. I wish they kept it for projection but the 3d on the 9400 was a bit ordinary.

I think if you really enjoy 3D, a 2nd little DLP would certainly do better 3D than the others. 

 

On the upside, has great ansi contrast like the 9400 at over 400:1 and they're claiming improved motion so that will be a welcomed addition as are the gaming features and specs.

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15 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

but the 3d on the 9400 was a bit ordinary.

not true OZ. the 3D on 9000 series even going back to the original 9000 was actually pretty decent. 

 

15 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

I think if you really enjoy 3D, a 2nd little DLP would certainly do better 3D than the others

and dont have to put up with the ordinary PQ of cheapo DLP instead :D . ps yes acknowledging some decent DLPS out there but way beyond on price than the 9400 we were considering here :)

 

ps like the original 9000 epson jsut matter of letting the panels warm up on the epson ... and any ghosting would go away... this is similar to same vintage JVC and something that improved with every gen. the current JVC and epson 9400 I genuinely believe have a lot to enjoy when comes to 3D :)

 

17 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

On the upside, has great ansi contrast like the 9400 at over 400:1 and they're claiming improved motion so that will be a welcomed addition as are the gaming features and specs.

 

wouldnt the contrast be impacted though if cant close down the iris that isnt there ? this is in practice am talking not measurements in ideal conditions :)

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Has anyone got a unit yet in Australia? It seems to be pretty good according to those in AVS, acceptable black level performance with wide color gamut and solid state light engine.

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On 23/03/2022 at 12:00 AM, oztheatre said:

 

It sounds like a solid state projector concentrating on the stability of the laser light source. 3D, yes, but even samsung ditched 3d as did many other TV manufacturers. I wish they kept it for projection but the 3d on the 9400 was a bit ordinary.

I think if you really enjoy 3D, a 2nd little DLP would certainly do better 3D than the others.

As good as the 3d can be with a jvc or epson 9400 it comes down to how perceptive you are to frame rate . A good 144hz cheaper dlp can make a difference indeed over a 120hz jvc . It just translates as more frames = smoother motion . Ime not that sensitive it would make a diff..

But horses for courses I like a fast frequency for the 3d glasses sync as that can let more light through so darkness is less [epson was very good at this] so its important to get all parameters as good as possible. I understand sony models only do 96hz 3d so I steered away from those ; found this quote :classic_smile:

 

"I measured the frequence on my new Sony VPL VW270ES, and it do 96hz, so i wonder how many projectors actually do 144hz"
 
Why they cheaped out on 3d for tvs is beyond me ; its just a frame packing chip :/
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On 15/4/2022 at 8:25 AM, hifiman said:

Has anyone got a unit yet in Australia? It seems to be pretty good according to those in AVS, acceptable black level performance with wide color gamut and solid state light engine.

 

 

same question +1

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On 17/04/2022 at 6:18 PM, Ed369 said:

same question +1

 

Our review by Tony O'Brien should be complete end of next week.

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3 hours ago, Marc said:

 

Our review by Tony O'Brien should be complete end of next week.

we are looking forward for your review thanks Marc

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22 hours ago, Serentity said:

I started off with 9000, then went to 9400, I might be temped to upgrade again to LS12000.🤑

 

From what I'm hearing this is a definitely worthy upgrade!

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So the real advantage of native 4k panels ( all other things being equal) is a slightly sharper picture.   So much of the 4k material is still upscaled 2k   and the majority of the stuff I view is 2K anyway.  Add the fact that HDR  and projectors   is underwhelming compared to OLED TVs and I can see why Epson hasn't  yet dived into the 4K panel / Full tone-mapping scenario. 

 

Great colour and the image  vibrancy that laser seems to bring shouldn't be underestimated and The LS 12000 could well be the best projector for quite a few installations. 

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On 30/04/2022 at 6:20 PM, TP1 said:

 

So the real advantage of native 4k panels ( all other things being equal) is a slightly sharper picture.   So much of the 4k material is still upscaled 2k   and the majority of the stuff I view is 2K anyway.  Add the fact that HDR  and projectors   is underwhelming compared to OLED TVs and I can see why Epson hasn't  yet dived into the 4K panel / Full tone-mapping scenario. 

 

Great colour and the image  vibrancy that laser seems to bring shouldn't be underestimated and The LS 12000 could well be the best projector for quite a few installations. 

 

They also have native 4K panels in their commercial machines that are 100K plus.. 

A 4K projector can only look better than a 2K projector IF it has good optics.. yes that word again lol

Not too happy with price.. our dollar is not 55 cents.. this is just so unfair for consumers.

 

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