Perth.hifi Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) Hi all Looking at new projector upgrade. The Epson TW9400 appears to be the best bang for your buck. I currently have a 2:40 scope motorised screen that will be for sale soon once i decide on which projector.. 140inch 2:40:1 if anyone's interested. Dependant on which projector i go with that is. I like the laser optoma UHZ65, OR A Sony 4k lamp model or a benq laser projector. What's the quality like in OPTOMA projectors, are they reliable??? Benq reliability? Is there any way to fix one of the NON lens memory projectors (16:9) to a scope format Size screen without seeing the light overshoot the screen? Would ideally like to stay with my scope 2:40 format, DO NOT want to also have to make a lens purchase. Coming from a 1080p, i love the epson features but hesitant as it's still 1080p. (4k pixel swift) Thoughts? BUDGET. Under 10k if possible. Edited August 20, 2021 by Perth.hifi
hopefullguy Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 quite confused.. you are selling a scope screen but want a scope screen. the epson 9400 is best bang for your buck.. and? you want one or a entry level other model. should not compare a 9400 to entry level pj and the 9400 is not 1080p. no budget mentioned or room set up or screen size or mounting distance or seating distance. more info needed.
Quark Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 All three brands are generally quite reliable. You won't get the same contrast from the Optoma/BenQ as the Epson. There's no practical way to avoid light overshoot when you zoom for scope, without using a lens. The best option is to mask the overshoot area with black velvet if you can, or dark paint as an alternative. The optics on the Epson are outstanding and you'll have trouble picking any difference in resolution between its faux 4K and the Optoma/BenQ. Also, the Optoma and BenQ have much more visible chromatic aberration (purple fringe) in their images. Finally, if going with Optoma/BenQ, audition before purchase as a few people see rainbow effects from DLP technology.
j19801110 Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 Under 10K JVC N5 or N7 (on sale) are also options. however, for a 140 inch screen, Epson will be the brightest for SDR (and for HDR if calibrated in dynamic picture mode). Its therefore a bit more flexible if watching during the day. JVC has the best image quality but for much more money. DLP will be sharper but both contrast and colour volume much worse than either Epson or JVC. consider that Epson’s pixel shifting is now at 3x 1080p with latest firmware for 24p sources (movies), which is plenty sharp. 60Hz sources (like TV or games) are still at 2 x 1080p.
Perth.hifi Posted August 20, 2021 Author Posted August 20, 2021 4 hours ago, j19801110 said: Under 10K JVC N5 or N7 (on sale) are also options. however, for a 140 inch screen, Epson will be the brightest for SDR (and for HDR if calibrated in dynamic picture mode). Its therefore a bit more flexible if watching during the day. JVC has the best image quality but for much more money. DLP will be sharper but both contrast and colour volume much worse than either Epson or JVC. consider that Epson’s pixel shifting is now at 3x 1080p with latest firmware for 24p sources (movies), which is plenty sharp. 60Hz sources (like TV or games) are still at 2 x 1080p. Cheers, thanks for your comments. So you think Epson fake 4k picture is that good? Compared to say Optima laser 4k, id imagine the laser 4k is heaps better? Sony have a just over 10k 4k lamp based projector, unsure if the jump is worthwhile from the Epson? Ideally 4k laser would be the best choice, i imagine, this would poor the optoma in the budget range. I have a 2:40 scope format screen now, so if i chose a non lens memory system, i would have to consider changing screen, Which is what i was attempting to explain in my original post.
flamjam Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Perth.hifi said: So you think Epson fake 4k picture is that good? Yes, the picture quality is great. 100% best bang for buck imo, especially if you are going for a large screen as they throw a lot of light and still have good blacks. if you’re insistent on native 4k, go for the JVC. I’d take a JVC over a Sony all day especially if you are looking at a 140 inch screen. Edited August 20, 2021 by flamjam 1
Perth.hifi Posted August 20, 2021 Author Posted August 20, 2021 10 hours ago, hopefullguy said: quite confused.. you are selling a scope screen but want a scope screen. the epson 9400 is best bang for your buck.. and? you want one or a entry level other model. should not compare a 9400 to entry level pj and the 9400 is not 1080p. no budget mentioned or room set up or screen size or mounting distance or seating distance. more info needed. Possibly selling screen dependant on projector model selected, eg. Most are 16:9, so my scope screen would be wasted. The TW9400 is a 1080p pixel shifter. It's not 4k. The TW9400 isn't a entry model correct, thou compared to laser 4k, i kinda reference it as entry, but perhaps mid spec is better. Distance, approx 5.6m front wall to back wall.
betty boop Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 epson will be best bang for buck... there is possibly something as an update or new model coming in couple of weeks .. id wait for cedia to pass .... in the jvc ...klapp has the n5 or n7 on special either can be had under $10k so well within budget the JVC do come with is dynamic tone mapping and it is native 4k which none of the other options mentioned come with .. dynamic tone mapping is a very big deal for 4k uhd sources ! and the native 4k does bring a clarity ... clean clear look that the shifting pixels or mirrors dont match. in pure PQ terms the JVC in my opinion are pretty hard to beat could look sony but their cost is higher and they miss dynamic tone mapping. plus 10k will only buy their base model thats missing a lot of things vs the competition... even the epson ! 140" scope as a screen is on the larger size... but whether epson or JVC once calibrated both will do a very decent job do factor in a decent mount ... eg peerless PRG, or storm... also if going uhd cable ... factor in premium certified if under 9.2m or if over 9.2m consider the new UHS certified to future proof.... 1
flamjam Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, betty boop said: in the jvc ...klapp has the n5 or n7 on special either can be had under $10k so well within budget If the N7 can be had for under $10k, I wouldn’t even look at an N5. Edited August 20, 2021 by flamjam
flamjam Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Perth.hifi said: The TW9400 is a 1080p pixel shifter. It's not 4k It’s definitely 1080, but the pixel shift does a great job. The Epson has great optics, especially for the price. if comparing the epson to the Optoma, I would say the Epson sits above it PQ wise. Blacks on the epson will be better and no chance of the good old dlp rainbow. if you are wanting to spend close to $10k, the N7 is the go. the way I see it, if you want best bang for $, buy the Epson. Don’t get fooled into thinking that pixel shifting isn’t decent but maybe hold off because epson may announce a new model. if you want to spend $10k and get native 4k, then the N7 is going to be your best bet. I wouldn’t even think about the Sony if the N7 is that price Edited August 20, 2021 by flamjam 1 1
betty boop Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, flamjam said: If the N7 can be had for under $10k, I wouldn’t even look at an N5. *just* it would seem...
flamjam Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, betty boop said: *just* it would seem... Just is good enough!! I wonder if Epson is going to announce a native 4k pj. I’m really interested to see what their next step is. Any JVC rumours? 2
Perth.hifi Posted August 20, 2021 Author Posted August 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, flamjam said: Just is good enough!! I wonder if Epson is going to announce a native 4k pj. I’m really interested to see what their next step is. Any JVC rumours? I've been waiting for a Epson 4k or a Panasonic 4k, but getting old waiting,
betty boop Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, flamjam said: Just is good enough!! I wonder if Epson is going to announce a native 4k pj. I’m really interested to see what their next step is. Any JVC rumours? only the jvc laser sneak peak ...see seperate thread, ...and only pic we've seen... shows what looks like the jvc n9 laser... so can just imagine what that will cost..
flamjam Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, betty boop said: only the jvc laser sneak peak ...see seperate thread, ...and only pic we've seen... shows what looks like the jvc n9 laser... so can just imagine what that will cost.. Way too much for me. The law of diminishing returns…. 2
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