dean1960 Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) I agree with daviddsailor, the osborns allow you to characterize your sound...as far as you want, maybe into high-end territory with some tasty valve amps. With the SGR actives you dont have as many options ....with electronics already in the signal path....op amps etc, the sound has already taken a step backwards Edited August 6, 2021 by dean1960 1 1
JohnL Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, dean1960 said: I agree with daviddsailor, the osborns allow you to characterize your sound...as far as you want, maybe into high-end territory with some tasty valve amps. With the SGR actives you dont have as many options ....with electronics already in the signal path....op amps etc, the sound has already taken a step backwards Wow.........this is just so wrong!!!!!!!! 2
dean1960 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Posted August 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, JohnL said: Wow.........this is just so wrong!!!!!!!! best explain why..
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted August 6, 2021 Volunteer Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, dean1960 said: with passive crossovers already in the signal path....op amps etc, the sound has already taken a step backwards Surely it’s possible to give the OP your preference without having a crack at the speaker you prefer less… Edited August 6, 2021 by sir sanders zingmore Spellinge 1
MrBurns84 Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 41 minutes ago, dean1960 said: I agree with daviddsailor, the osborns allow you to characterize your sound...as far as you want, maybe into high-end territory with some tasty valve amps. With the SGR actives you dont have as many options ....with electronics already in the signal path....op amps etc, the sound has already taken a step backwards Though i agree that (All ) passive speakers will give you that option, but do you know for fact that SGRs use opamps in the signal path? or have a schematic that shows that? Pretty big statement to call fact..
dean1960 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Posted August 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, MrBurns84 said: Though i agree that (All ) passive speakers will give you that option, but do you know for fact that SGRs use opamps in the signal path? or have a schematic that shows that? Pretty big statement to call fact.. in a active x-over ..well what else would they be using.....valves??
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted August 6, 2021 Volunteer Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) There are a few schools of thought here. Some hold that having a passive crossover with all its compromises is better than having an active crossover (with all its compromises). Some think that the inefficiencies of sending a full range signal to a passive crossover are less of a problem than having op amps (or AD/DA conversions) in the signal path. some people think that the only way to decide is to listen. I have opinions about active vs passive. I’ve also listened to Osbornes and SGRs. For me the choice is very clear. Edited August 6, 2021 by sir sanders zingmore 3
metal beat Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) How long is a piece of string. Both options are equally valid when engineered correctly. Both these Aussie brands have excellent reputation and there are lots of alternatives as well. Having local support is a large positive. Edited August 6, 2021 by metal beat 3
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted August 6, 2021 Volunteer Posted August 6, 2021 Oh I just noticed this is no longer the Osborne/SGR thread. probably for the best
Yamaha_man Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 34 minutes ago, metal beat said: How long is a piece of string. Twice the distance from one end to the centre last time I checked. 1 3
BugPowderDust Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 Most people shitcanning actives have likely never heard a good active setup. I had a hard time when picking my new speakers (JBL K2 S9900) over actives (Genelec 1238) and it was a very close decision in the end. The available real estate in my listening room was the tipping point in the end. I’m holding out for bigger actives when I build my new listening room and that’s going to be a pair of Genelec 1236a with a pair of Genelec 7382 subs. 3 1
MrBurns84 Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, metal beat said: Both options are equally valid when engineered correctly. Both these Aussie brands have excellent reputation and there are lots of alternatives as well. Having local support is a large positive. Ditto! Rest comes down to personal choices.. like everything in this hobby. 1
Guest Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 3 hours ago, dean1960 said: I agree with daviddsailor, the osborns allow you to characterize your sound...as far as you want, maybe into high-end territory with some tasty valve amps. With the SGR actives you dont have as many options ....with electronics already in the signal path....op amps etc, the sound has already taken a step backwards Wow, new to the forum and already trolling active speaker owners!
Satanica Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said: Wow, new to the forum and already trolling active speaker owners! Just because someone has their facts wrong and/or a different opinion to you doesn't mean they are trolling.
MrBurns84 Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Satanica said: Just because someone has their facts wrong and/or a different opinion to you doesn't mean they are trolling. 2 hours ago, dean1960 said: in a active x-over ..well what else would they be using.....valves?? If that comment doesnt indicate trolling... Anyways..lets all move on and have a more productive thread. Edited August 6, 2021 by MrBurns84
Satanica Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, dean1960 said: in a active x-over ..well what else would they be using.....valves?? 10 minutes ago, MrBurns84 said: If that comment doesnt indicate trolling... That wasn't the post that was accused as trolling. Edited August 6, 2021 by Satanica
RoHo Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 3 hours ago, dean1960 said: in a active x-over ..well what else would they be using.....valves?? A valve active crossover (Marchand). They do exist! 2
dean1960 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Posted August 6, 2021 38 minutes ago, BugPowderDust said: Most people shitcanning actives have likely never heard a good active setup. I had a hard time when picking my new speakers (JBL K2 S9900) over actives (Genelec 1238) and it was a very close decision in the end. The available real estate in my listening room was the tipping point in the end. I’m holding out for bigger actives when I build my new listening room and that’s going to be a pair of Genelec 1236a with a pair of Genelec 7382 subs. Genalec's are great speakers for monitoring in studios..
dean1960 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Posted August 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said: Wow, new to the forum and already trolling active speaker owners! its all a stepping stone....just depends how well tuned the wing nuts are....
GC Hifi Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) I used to be of the opinion that active speakers were inferior to passives sq-wise, mainly because you could always get a better pre-amp/amp combo to drive passives compared to the usually much cheaper in comparison built in amps supplied by speaker builders in actives. That was until I became a dealer for ATC speakers, which proved beyond a doubt to me how good well designed and built actives can truly sound, especially compared to their passive versions. I am now a true active speaker convert, I'm not saying all active speakers are excellent, nor am I saying all passives are inferior sq-wise to actives. But thankfully now because of personal experience with a number of excellent sounding active speakers I no longer have a closed mind. cheers, Terry Edited August 6, 2021 by GC HiFi 3 2
dean1960 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Posted August 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, RoHo said: A valve active crossover (Marchand). They do exist! this was part of my stepping stone...a 4 way stereo Marchand active x-over , not the valve baby....mine had fully balanced outputs with high-end op-amps...in the signal stage. it made way for a passive x-over.....so much better.. 1
RoHo Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 55 minutes ago, dean1960 said: this was part of my stepping stone...a 4 way stereo Marchand active x-over , not the valve baby....mine had fully balanced outputs with high-end op-amps...in the signal stage. it made way for a passive x-over.....so much better.. Did the active 4-way incorporate any sort of EQ or was it just XO? Trying to get my head around how these things work.
Martykt Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 2 hours ago, BugPowderDust said: Most people shitcanning actives have likely never heard a good active setup. I had a hard time when picking my new speakers (JBL K2 S9900) over actives (Genelec 1238) and it was a very close decision in the end. The available real estate in my listening room was the tipping point in the end. I’m holding out for bigger actives when I build my new listening room and that’s going to be a pair of Genelec 1236a with a pair of Genelec 7382 subs. K2 S9900's because you're rooms not big enough... ?? 1
BugPowderDust Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Martykt said: K2 S9900's because you're rooms not big enough... ?? Ha. Not big enough doesn’t mean much without the context of the room and the cabinetry I have in place.
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