I think you'll find they are universally beloved.

The UK economy is in terrible difficulty but bankers are doing well.

The UK has reached a position in which around 52% of the population are nett takers of public funds.

Bludging off other tax payers,reliance on government employment and living off government borrowings to sustain this has become the norm.

You can't blame the bankers for taking advantage of such a short sighted and unsustainable [socialist] mindset.

Edited December 27, 201213 yr by THOMO

It's a Tory Government - pro enterprise. Hardly a "socialist" government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=psZBaJU_Cvo

It's a Tory Government - pro enterprise. Hardly a "socialist" government.

Its is not a socialist government however it is now a socialist society.

Its only a matter of when.

We should be tolerant of their beliefs and support them and give them the benefit of the doubt and welfare and their own law system and parliament within our country and....................................Nah on second thought just tell em to F OFF!

Edited December 27, 201213 yr by hybridfiat

While I reckon that chick was pretty brave and I admire her tenacious attitude, she was pretty naive and confused. It is actually Christians (and most people who are not Christians) who respect secular authority however much we may disagree, not Muslims of the brand she was speaking with.

Mathew 22:21 recounts how Jesus said "Render under Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's". This can be construed more widely as obeying the laws of the country and along with other passages lends itself to the separation of church from state.

Lloyd, I consider all organised religions as a form of mass hysteria, inducing an unparalleled form of bigotism only rivaled by Greens supporters.

Lloyd, I consider all organised religions as a form of mass hysteria, inducing an unparalleled form of bigotism only rivaled by Greens supporters.

Your point about the Greens is demonstrated in wolster's original clip. That is all I have to say about that.

I am reluctant to comment on Christians as you seem a little bit jaded by them - let me know when you see them marching down streets with the vile slogans by Muslims as in the clip you provided.

This mob are real loons!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

LP, one didn't even have to click the link to know that it was going to be Westboro. There was a 60 minutes piece on them sometime ago in the last year or two which said it all.

Yeah...............didn't see that one but have been watching their exploits for years on the net.

LP, this was the 60 minutes story on Westboro, they even got stuck into Liz Hayes and Australia too:

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Your point about the Greens is demonstrated in wolster's original clip. That is all I have to say about that.

I am reluctant to comment on Christians as you seem a little bit jaded by them - let me know when you see them marching down streets with the vile slogans by Muslims as in the clip you provided.

Sure:

http://www.telegraph...ion-banner.html

http://www.guardian....-clinic-opening

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1188379

http://www.smh.com.a...1019-27wsb.html

http://blog.al.com/live/2012/12/westboro_baptist_church_to_pic_1.html

http://theweek.com/article/index/238243/should-obama-label-the-westboro-baptist-church-a-hate-group

Edited December 28, 201213 yr by Zaphod Beeblebrox

Sure:

http://www.telegraph...ion-banner.html

http://www.guardian....-clinic-opening

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1188379

http://www.smh.com.a...1019-27wsb.html

http://blog.al.com/l...h_to_pic_1.html

http://theweek.com/a...ch-a-hate-group

I didn't get to read all the links, but mainly to do with abortion which has always been and will continue to be a highly emotive subject amongst people of whatever creed or no creed. Then the link to the Westboro Baptist outfit. OK. Right.

Try harder.

Did you actually watch the clip by LP?

Edited December 28, 201213 yr by Lloyd

I didn't get to read all the links, but mainly to do with abortion which has always been and will continue to be a highly emotive subject amongst people of whatever creed or no creed. Then the link to the Westboro Baptist outfit. OK. Right.

Try harder.

You asked for evidence. I supplied it. Christians can be just as daft as Muslims. It's all part of the same delusion.

It's a Tory Government - pro enterprise. Hardly a "socialist" government.

Tory, Labour, Liberal, ALP - all pro-'business as usual' Governments. It's just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic, a card trick illusion where things seem to change but they never do.

You asked for evidence. I supplied it. Christians can be just as daft as Muslims. It's all part of the same delusion.

You provided evidence of people protesting about a specific emotive issue issue which has been the subject of legitimate judicial and legislative and theological debate, and then brought up the Westboro Baptist Church which are by no stretch of the imagination Christian.

You provided nothing, as compared to the Muslim protest in LP's clip, as to what is happening in the UK, and has recently been coming to Oz for some time now.

Tory, Labour, Liberal, ALP - all pro-'business as usual' Governments. It's just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic, a card trick illusion where things seem to change but they never do.

Maggie Thatcher was Tory. She was not business as usual.

You provided evidence of people protesting about a specific emotive issue issue which has been the subject of legitimate judicial and legislative and theological debate, and then brought up the Westboro Baptist Church which are by no stretch of the imagination Christian.

You provided nothing, as compared to the Muslim protest in LP's clip, as to what is happening in the UK, and has recently been coming to Oz for some time now.

Baptists are Christians, just as the Muslims shown above are Muslims. Both religions have their crazies at the extremes and tarring all Muslims with the same brush as the extremists is the same as claiming all Christians are like the Westboro Church.

 

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Tory, Labour, Liberal, ALP - all pro-'business as usual' Governments. It's just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic, a card trick illusion where things seem to change but they never do.

Because it is what the bulk of society want. Stray more than a millimetre away from that electoral sweet spot and you are political dust. All the carefully designed speeches about fundamental differences are window dressing to amuse the voter. Democracy in action.

 

Not so much a card trick as a charade as requested by the electorate. How can that be a bad thing? Only the outliers truly complain.

Maggie Thatcher was Tory. She was not business as usual.

 

As I see it, Maggie returned the debate back to the centre after British society woke up to there having been a deviation too far to the Left. In the nature of zigzags she may have marginally overstepped the correction. Or perhaps not.

 

However the median always rules, and only shifts in real terms very gradually over time.