chaozhoi Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 It seems to me that a lot of bros here are using receivers but using external power amps to drive all the speakers. Any reason why you guys didn't go for pure HT processors? I personally is not using my receiver to drive my speakers. Thinking if I should get another receiver or processor for my next upgrade.
desray Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 For most users, AVR is a balance to strike between getting a dedicated Pre and Power Amp...AVR is a unibody and easier to justify when it comes to purchase. I personally go for ease of use...unless you are using a pair of very hard to drive top-end model speakers which requires clean power to bring the best out of it...otherwise top-end AVR (or flagship) should suffice and you'll be surprised how AVR progress over the years in terms of performance and dishing out raw mean power...of course if you are a purist, separates will definitely be the best route to take. My usage is almost 80% or more for movies...so AVR should be fine.
Vader1624705883 Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 I used to drive my speakers using my Onkyo AVR. After adding an XPA 5 to drive my L R C SR SL and my AVR driving SBL & SBR, I hear a great improvement in terms of clarity, headroom and dynamics. Given a choice, at least drive the L R & C Channel and let the AVR drive the surround. IMHO, not necessary to get a pure HT processor. The AVR is doing great for me ;D.
kopidilo Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 Must ask those who have used both b4 to comment. Keke. What i read is that there will be a slight.improvement, maybe not hand n leg diff in HT but there is. Question is whether that money can be better spent elsewhere.
Doggie Howser Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 Tonight's the first night I swapped my 4810 AVR to a Marantz 8801 AVP. I have not done any room EQ so both systems were running flat without EQ so this isn't a comparison between XT vs XT32. I thought that the Marantz was better at separation and steering of sounds across all the channels. Much more seamlessly than the 4810 eventhough the 4810 was running as a preamp.
econav Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 A processor is just like a pre-amp for a prue 2CH setup , take a look of the parts and it grade inside and compare it with the highest range of same brand , you will know why it cost so much. I have not find a AVR that the roll off of 20Hz --3db and I don't know how ppl can get down to 10Hz with a AVR for subsonic /infrasonic/ true rumble or whatever low freq they talk about ??? without bottom out their sub. perhaps, all this is just what confuse our brain( Resonance ) . ???
softhands Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 hmmm Econav, what parts do we look out for? the weight test? lagi heavier lagi better?
Guest durianlover88 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Using Onkyo PR-SC5509 Processor now and had a Denon 4810 AVR before...sonics wise Processor is better in my opinion.
chaozhoi Posted May 7, 2013 Author Posted May 7, 2013 Using Onkyo PR-SC5509 Processor now and had a Denon 4810 AVR before...sonics wise Processor is better in my opinion. were u using the power from 4810 or you had other power amps connected? Same power amps used for 4810 and 5509?
Guest francishuang Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Can run full balance from processor to power amps
Guest durianlover88 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 were u using the power from 4810 or you had other power amps connected? Same power amps used for 4810 and 5509? When using 4810 - use its amps. When using 5509 - use as processor. This is most common usage - buy what use what. Sound from pre-pro surely better because 2 power lines, 2 chassis, dedicated function without impairment like within a receiver (heat, amp noise, sharing a power cord, etc). Downside need to spend more money on interconnects and power cord, and of course the extra amps. One can use multi-channel amp rather than belcanto monos like our broler Audio.
chaozhoi Posted May 7, 2013 Author Posted May 7, 2013 When using 4810 - use its amps. When using 5509 - use as processor. This is most common usage - buy what use what. Sound from pre-pro surely better because 2 power lines, 2 chassis, dedicated function without impairment like within a receiver (heat, amp noise, sharing a power cord, etc). Downside need to spend more money on interconnects and power cord, and of course the extra amps. One can use multi-channel amp rather than belcanto monos like our broler Audio. yup u r right, pre-pros have their advantages over using only receivers. I'm curious about pre-pros to power vs receiver to power. How much improvement will there be e.g. SC5509 + XPA5 against TX-NR5010 + XPA5
DizzyD1624705734 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Well for me my setup is receiver plus power amp but I only have power amp for front LCR so no height, rear or surround discrete amps. I think those channels no need power amp to drive and waste of money. If I buy a processor, which I think sonically it will be better, then I need to buy 7 channels of power. Previously when my room was bigger I have a Lexicon processor mated with 7 channels of Rotel power. That combi was solid. ;D
Guest francishuang Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 yup u r right, pre-pros have their advantages over using only receivers. I'm curious about pre-pros to power vs receiver to power. How much improvement will there be e.g. SC5509 + XPA5 against TX-NR5010 + XPA5 5509 has balance out. Is the xpa5 fully balance? If it is. Then it make sense
Doggie Howser Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 yup u r right, pre-pros have their advantages over using only receivers. I'm curious about pre-pros to power vs receiver to power. How much improvement will there be e.g. SC5509 + XPA5 against TX-NR5010 + XPA5 I don't have this comparison and I suspect very few people would do a 5509 to 5510 conversion. What I have done is 4810+external amps to 8801+external amps and I would say the benefits seem to be in better steering accuracy
chaozhoi Posted May 7, 2013 Author Posted May 7, 2013 5509 has balance out. Is the xpa5 fully balance? If it is. Then it make sense perhaps can consider if both are using same RCA connection. I was looking at Marantz website and realised that their AV separates AV7701 actually cost 100 bucks cheaper than SR7707 (Base on MSRP). So for someone using power amps for all channel, which one will be a better option?
econav Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 hmmm Econav, what parts do we look out for? the weight test? lagi heavier lagi better? Proceesor by itself should be lighter than the higher end AVR of same brand.as it need no big and heavy power transformer in the same casing , heat is a big issue for electronic component . when you house small signal circuit ( pre stage ) and Amplification ( power ) in a same causing , the heat produce by the AMP section will affect the processing and switching section ( pre/control circuit ) and the huge dynamic draw of current can interfere the power supply to the pre stage causing instable to ciruit performance ( Higher background noise ). same goto the pre stage can also affect the AMP section as the switching and decoding circuit operate in very high freq , if the shielding not good enough it will find it way into the Amp and be amplify , worst it can become a loop noise and lead to self-oscillate.
badbad2000 Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 Anyone can estimate how much will cost for a setup pre/pro+ amp? AV8801 + ??? AMP + cables = ?? -no idea what amp is good for HT + Music
chaozhoi Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 Anyone can estimate how much will cost for a setup pre/pro+ amp? AV8801 + ??? AMP + cables = ?? -no idea what amp is good for HT + Music I just realised AV7701 don't have MultiEQ XT32. Disappointing. Considering Onkyo midrange 818 already have it.
kopidilo Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 I just realised AV7701 don't have MultiEQ XT32. Disappointing. Considering Onkyo midrange 818 already have it. Oh.... i all along thought that 7701 has XT32.
chaozhoi Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 Oh.... i all along thought that 7701 has XT32. ya lor.. dedicate prepro no XT32.. only 8801 has but that is a lot more ex
kopidilo Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 ya lor.. dedicate prepro no XT32.. only 8801 has but that is a lot more ex oic. but what's the key diff between XT and XT32?
chaozhoi Posted May 11, 2013 Author Posted May 11, 2013 many people has given positive feedback on XT32 over XT. Seems like the choice is obvious
ALTK Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 XT32's rm eq filter resolution is 512x for all ch + 512x for subwoofer. XT's rm eq filter resolution only 16x for all ch + 128x for subwoofer! XT32 definitely much better!
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