Dr X Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I can subjectively look at 2 objects and determine which is a bear and which is a fork. I'm willing to state I'm sure.DS No, what you did there was objective. Nobody allowed you to know which was which before you made the decision
davidsss Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Given we are on an audio forum talking about .... 'audio'. And the post you are referring to was directly related to audible differences, I fail to see the relevance of your post. Maybe you should look at the context. To remind you, Dr X claimed that nothing can be proved with objective observation. I disagreed and gave an example. You fail to see relevance where you don't want to see it. Now Dr X is claiming my subjective sighted observation is actually objective. Now that I find difficult to understand. But let's get back to audio. A scenario: I'm sitting in a room, 2 guitarists are playing. One is playing a Fender precision bass, the other is playing a Gibson Les Paul. I could attempt to determine if there is a difference between the sound of the 2 in an objective fashion as described here, a blind objective test. Or I could attempt to tell if there is a difference between the sound of the 2 guitars (and guitarists) using a subjective test (ie: sighted) and even with an announcement prior to each guitar being played. I would be sure of my conclusion either way. I can be sure there is a difference in a sighted subjective test with announcements. DS
Drizt Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 David, you know what dr x was talking about. I'll leave you to it.
Dr X Posted March 4, 2012 Posted March 4, 2012 Now Dr X is claiming my subjective sighted observation is actually objective. Now that I find difficult to understand. Try harder! http://www.asdatoz.com/Documents/Website-%20Objective%20vs%20subjective%20ltr.pdf
davidsss Posted March 4, 2012 Posted March 4, 2012 That's an interesting pdf Mr X. According to that it appears sighted tests are objective. Hmm, argument seems to be over. DS
Dr X Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) That's an interesting pdf Mr X. According to that it appears sighted tests are objective. Hmm, argument seems to be over. Sighted tests are objective when someone is doing a test involving their eyes and not their ears! So in your example of "What is in front of you a Bear or a Fork?" could only be answered with an objective observation just as you said above in your post. It was not subjective! If I told a blind person "There is a Fork in front of you" and they anwered "There is a fork in front of me" it was not an objective observation because they never actually saw it, even though there is a fork in front of them. If I told a deaf person "There is a Melody 134 amp playing" and they answered "There is a Melody 134 amp playing" it was not an objective observation because they never actually heard it, even though there is a Melody 134 amp playing. Now if you said "I prefer the Fork over the Bear" to use your example again then that would subjective. Edited March 5, 2012 by Dr X
perthpete Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Have to say: Sometimes it is better to just agree to disagree .... :-)
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