imbest Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 Was browsing the old and new models of samsung plasma, then realized the P5 is 13 bit color system wheres Q9 is on 18 bit color system. Any idea what color system Pioneer G8 and Panasonic G10 are running? Is there really a huge difference? or still depends on your source one?
HardCORE Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Was browsing the old and new models of samsung plasma, then realized the P5 is 13 bit color system wheres Q9 is on 18 bit color system. Any idea what color system Pioneer G8 and Panasonic G10 are running? Is there really a huge difference? or still depends on your source one? I think the high bit colour systems help to reduce the banding (visible distinct steps in colour gradations). The Panny G10 non-full-HD (PV series) are running 3072 gradations (12-bit?), while the G10 full-HD (PY series) are running 4096 gradations (16-bits).
imbest Posted October 30, 2007 Author Posted October 30, 2007 Samsung Q & C are running on 18 bit wheres the older models are 13 bit.... uhm........
HardCORE Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 There is a new standard called Deep Color which has 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit color modes: 30-bit color = 10-bits per channel 36-bit color = 12-bits per channel 48-bit color = 16-bits per channel You also need HDMI ver 1.3 to support Deep Color. The Samsung, Panasonic (full HD) and Pioneer Kuros support this. However, its worth pointing out that ALL the current sources, SD and HD, are limited to 8-bit color per channel (Red, Green, Blue) only. This includes normal DVD, HDDVD and Blu-Ray Discs. So all these source are 24-bit color. The only common source that supports Deep Color and HDMI 1.3 is the PS3.
Knight_Rider Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Any software supports this? I know PDVD and vista don't. :(
HardCORE Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Any software supports this? I know PDVD and vista don't. :( I think in general no HTPCs support Deep Color. Its the video card that doesnt support it. Not sure if the OS is a limiting factor. Maybe by next year we'll start to see some "Deep Color" videocards.
imbest Posted October 30, 2007 Author Posted October 30, 2007 thanks HardCore, no wonder Samsung's panels are always so "colorful" hehe....
Knight_Rider Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 I think in general no HTPCs support Deep Color. Its the video card that doesnt support it. Not sure if the OS is a limiting factor. Maybe by next year we'll start to see some "Deep Color" videocards. xvYCC or Extended-gamut YCC is a color space used in the video electronics of flat panel television sets, supporting 1.8 times as many colors as the sRGB color space. xvYCC was specified by the IEC in October 2005 and published in January 2006 as IEC 61966-2-4. The wider spectrum of LED backlighting replacing cold cathodes has enabled this extension of the LCD display color gamut. We should see them on PC, camcorders and of course Sony LCD that is xvYCC compliant was on display at CEATEC in October last year. As you've read, such a TV is only one part of the equation and, in reality, is the easiest part (when and if it ever ships). We'll need source material—and a source to output it—that can also do xvYCC and Deep Color (other than just a PC, PS3, or camcorder). Apparently, now that there is a way to transfer it, studios and manufacturers are both getting more interested in xvYCC and Deep Color. So, in other words, these are great ideas with lots of promise that we may see, but not any time soon. ;D Hmmm time to souce for a computer monitor that does that. Will get a new ATI card next year.
HardCORE Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Hmmm time to souce for a computer monitor that does that. Will get a new ATI card next year. The specs for the ATI HD 2x00 seem to indicate they support 30-bit color (the lowest level for Deep Color). Too bad I have an ATI X1600 so I cant try it. BTW, as far as I know, no consumer computer LCD monitors can do even the lowest level of 10-bit color yet, only those pro monitors used for medical imaging. So these new TVs may actually be the "cheaper" option if you want a Deep Color monitor... heehee.
Knight_Rider Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 PS3 is using Nvidia's RSX chip so yeah we will see them on video cards real soon. Newer 24" comps LCD has 92% color gamut so that's good until LED backlighting appears. Eizo ColorEdge CG241W should be the closest you can get (athough not HDMI 1.3 but still 16.77 million from a palette of 68 billion colurs) but ultra premium price. http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg241w/spec.asp So a cheap TV will be that Toshiba Regza LCD Cinema series but 42" :(
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