Phil1624705739 Posted September 14, 2007 Posted September 14, 2007 PJ is an Epson EMP-TW1000 in a totally light controlled room. Ceiling mounted around 40cm from the top. Screen size required is 100". Due to a pair of floor standers, the screen will be positioned a bit higher than usual. Phil
Phil1624705739 Posted September 15, 2007 Author Posted September 15, 2007 Can Stewart owners please feedback? Here's the sit rep. My throw distance is around 2.9m++. Seating distance from screen is 2m. According to Stewart webby, minimum throw distance of the FireHawk is 1.6x width. If that were the case, it would have exceeded my throw distance at 3.52m. Viewing angle should be all right, as I got a 2 seater. Both are more or less within the 30 deg limitation of the FireHawk. I had the sample for both materials with me now and based on my brief testing yesterday evening, the FireHawk and GrayHawk perform quite similarly in dark scenes with the former edging slightly in brightness. However, when it comes to bright scene, the FireHawk delivers quite punchy visuals. E.g. White and black text in Pixel intro showed up deep and striking. Phil
Jag Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 Can Stewart owners please feedback? Here's the sit rep. My throw distance is around 2.9m++. Seating distance from screen is 2m. According to Stewart webby, minimum throw distance of the FireHawk is 1.6x width. If that were the case, it would have exceeded my throw distance at 3.52m. Viewing angle should be all right, as I got a 2 seater. Both are more or less within the 30 deg limitation of the FireHawk. I had the sample for both materials with me now and based on my brief testing yesterday evening, the FireHawk and GrayHawk perform quite similarly in dark scenes with the former edging slightly in brightness. However, when it comes to bright scene, the FireHawk delivers quite punchy visuals. E.g. White and black text in Pixel intro showed up deep and striking. Phil I recommend greyhawk. To use firehawk at such a close distance of 2.9m, you may face hotspotting and uneven brightness across the entire screen. Dim at the corners and super bright in the center...... ugly and a sign of amaturism (aka incompetance in theater design). Thats the reason why stewart recommends firehawk for longer throw distance. Read below for technical description of the problem. Having A4 sized screen samples will not show the effects of hotspotting I described above. It is apparent onli with a fulled sized screen. *Technical description* Like all screens with gain, both retroflective and reflective, they get their brightness gain by reflection the light back onto the direction of projection. Firehawk as the unique ability to "reject ambient light"; so this means that light sources from too acute incident angle will not be reflected. Now, if the pj is too close to the screen, the viewing angle of the screen will relate back towards projecting angle. This means that the projector casting an image on the screen is too acute at the very corner edges of the screen; and rejecting the pj image due to the acute angle of incidence. This means the corner is dimmer; while the center is not rejecting and reflecting all the light back. Thus hotspotting results. Call me if you need further elaboration.
Phil1624705739 Posted September 15, 2007 Author Posted September 15, 2007 Lastly, do you think I'm nuts going for a 100"? ;D I am kinda influenced by your setup and the miserable experience of watching a 78" screen for the pass 4 years. Phil
Jag Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 Lastly, do you think I'm nuts going for a 100"? ;D I am kinda influenced by your setup and the miserable experience of watching a 78" screen for the pass 4 years. Phil Well, we should buy our toys according to what we like..... If you like it big, why should you go for small size? Previously, some said my 92" diag screen size was too big and they said that my screen size should not be bigger than 70" diag. Despite the trend in the states and thier HT forums was always to go big..... 100" is ok, but you have to buy a screen that has got a wide viewing cone angle for the hotspotting reasons.
Phil1624705739 Posted September 15, 2007 Author Posted September 15, 2007 Well, we should buy our toys according to what we like..... If you like it big, why should you go for small size? Previously, some said my 92" diag screen size was too big and they said that my screen size should not be bigger than 70" diag. Despite the trend in the states and thier HT forums was always to go big..... 100" is ok, but you have to buy a screen that has got a wide viewing cone angle for the hotspotting reasons. Same sentiment here, but it's damn tricky business to setup one in a bloody small 3 x 3.5m bedroom. Looks like GrayHawk RS is the one then. Thanks bro. Phil
c7221624705751 Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 why don't u want the StudioTek ? After all these years, it's still the reference screen. Since u have a total light controll'ed rm u dun need these contrast enhancement screens. Also since ur screen is going to last longer than ur PJ, next time when u have a PJ that has much better contrast than LCDs u will feel the gray screen totally distorted the colors.
Phil1624705739 Posted September 15, 2007 Author Posted September 15, 2007 why don't u want the StudioTek ? After all these years, it's still the reference screen. Since u have a total light controll'ed rm u dun need these contrast enhancement screens. Also since ur screen is going to last longer than ur PJ, next time when u have a PJ that has much better contrast than LCDs u will feel the gray screen totally distorted the colors. I need deeper blacks, dude. Phil
c7221624705751 Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 I need deeper blacks, dude. ... and that's because, the Epson has very poor black right ? what I said: next time when u have a PJ that has much better contrast than LCDs ... so u r buying this screen for ur current need only ?
Phil1624705739 Posted September 15, 2007 Author Posted September 15, 2007 ... and that's because, the Epson has very poor black right ? what I said: so u r buying this screen for ur current need only ? Not really, but a little help will be nice. The Epson should last another good 3 to 4 years so I'm not going to compromise my viewing experience now for the future. Thanks for the suggestion anyway. Phil
insomia Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 how much is the grayhawk and firehawk fixed screen anyway?
Phil1624705739 Posted September 15, 2007 Author Posted September 15, 2007 how much is the grayhawk and firehawk fixed screen anyway? For 100", above 4K. Phil
louco73 Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 Lastly, do you think I'm nuts going for a 100"? ;D Yes ;D Here's the sit rep. My throw distance is around 2.9m++. Seating distance from screen is 2m. Everyone is different of course, but for me sitting at 3m seems about the limit for 100". I could understand some people sitting at 2.5m I guess, but 2m seems like you are asking for a sore neck and eyes, looking all around the screen :). For 100", above 4K. Is there a reason you are not looking at other screens, like the OS Screen I purchased? Cheaper, but looked the same as the Stewart to me.
Phil1624705739 Posted September 15, 2007 Author Posted September 15, 2007 Yes ;D Everyone is different of course, but for me sitting at 3m seems about the limit for 100". I could understand some people sitting at 2.5m I guess, but 2m seems like you are asking for a sore neck and eyes, looking all around the screen :). Is there a reason you are not looking at other screens, like the OS Screen I purchased? Cheaper, but looked the same as the Stewart to me. Actually, my viewing distance is 3m and 100" is just nice since I'm using recliner. Was thinking of a one-time upgrade for screen so going for a quality one this time. Phil
htfreak Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 Bro, Luoco is right. You should take a look at the OS screen as well instead of going by branding alone. Recommend that you pop down to Sammy's place and do a side by side comparison of the Stewart and the OS screen using his HD-1. You may be surprised by the results. Potentially, you can use the savings to finally get that HD-DVD player of your own. ;D
insomia Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 sorry, never really heard about OS screen.. any website or place i can see a demo? i be happy with the savings if performance is very near
htfreak Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 You can see a demo of the OS screen over at Sound Decisions, 4th Flr Adelphi. They also have demo screens for Stewart too. Be careful though, you may end up 10k poorer after seeing the JVC HD-1 in action. ;D
Phil1624705739 Posted September 16, 2007 Author Posted September 16, 2007 Bro, Luoco is right. You should take a look at the OS screen as well instead of going by branding alone. Recommend that you pop down to Sammy's place and do a side by side comparison of the Stewart and the OS screen using his HD-1. You may be surprised by the results. Potentially, you can use the savings to finally get that HD-DVD player of your own. ;D Don't tempt me with that HD-DVD thingee.. hahaha... What is the pricing for an OS screen? I mean a 100" Draper is already going for S$1.5K. Can't expect this to go any lower isn't it? Phil
louco73 Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 sound like super potent poison.. :) Oh it is :). I was going to move from my fixed Remaco 4:3 to another fixed Remaco, but moving to a widescreen one. I was looking at the Mits projector at the time and Sound Decisions have the screens set up so you can have the OS Screen and Stewart active at the same time (both drop down from the ceiling, one behind the other). The only difference I could see was that the OS Screen looked slightly brighter and that's with a lower gain rating than the Stewart! Given the price of the OS Screen was quite a bit below the Stewart and I couldn't tell the difference, I figured it was a wise investment. I am very happy with the fixed 100" OS Screen I have now. Others forum members who have visited my place have also mentioned it looks good. Actually, my viewing distance is 3m and 100" is just nice since I'm using recliner. Was thinking of a one-time upgrade for screen so going for a quality one this time. Oh yes, that's fine then. Sorry, I must have misread your earlier post. What is the pricing for an OS screen? I mean a 100" Draper is already going for S$1.5K. Can't expect this to go any lower isn't it? I think it was $2.8k for 100" fixed, but that was with some deal on. Use that as a guide. Anyway, even if it's $3k, you still save more $$$ for new toys ;D
Guest jonlee Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 I am sitting at 3m on a 82" firehawk. I thought one size up for the stewart is 90+" instead of 100"?
Phil1624705739 Posted September 16, 2007 Author Posted September 16, 2007 I think it was $2.8k for 100" fixed, but that was with some deal on. Use that as a guide. Anyway, even if it's $3k, you still save more $$$ for new toys ;D I see. Thanks for the update. Phil
Phil1624705739 Posted September 16, 2007 Author Posted September 16, 2007 I am sitting at 3m on a 82" firehawk. I thought one size up for the stewart is 90+" instead of 100"? One size up is 92-inch. I'm going for the largest I can fit into my room. Phil
Guest jonlee Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 Phil, u placing the bottom of the screen above ur front speakers? Won't that be a bit high?
Phil1624705739 Posted September 16, 2007 Author Posted September 16, 2007 Phil, u placing the bottom of the screen above ur front speakers? Won't that be a bit high? Na... the two bottom corners of the screen will be overshadowed by the speakers. Not a big issue since most movies are sandwiched by black bars. Phil
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