Phil1624705739 Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Rotel RSP-1069 Pre-Pro - 4:1 HDMI in/out, no HDMI 1.3 - TI Aureus DSP - Burr Brown 24-bit/192KHz DAC - Faroudja DCDi 1080p upscaling - No TrueHD, DTS-HD decoding Man... I don't know what to say.. :'( Rotel RMB-1076 - Class D amp - 6 x 100W Rotel RMB-1085 - Class D amp - 5 x 100W Source - Ecoustics - Slashgear - Engadget HD
Phil1624705739 Posted September 8, 2007 Author Posted September 8, 2007 The wait is over, I will be going Onkyo alright.
Jag Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Aiya, for some reason, Rotel always seem to lack something important.......... from last time until today, they always lagging behind the bigger boys. They lost lots of loyal customers this time round.
Phil1624705739 Posted September 8, 2007 Author Posted September 8, 2007 Aiya, for some reason, Rotel always seem to lack something important.......... from last time until today, they always lagging behind the bigger boys. They lost lots of loyal customers this time round. Sad lor.. I love their performance vs. price proposition. Somehow, I believe Rotel assumes that the players are good enough for decoding TrueHD. But then, how about DTS-HD? Sigh. Maybe the RSP-1099 will fill the gap later. Phil
SiriuslyCold Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 if you love the sound, what do you lose by having a player convert TrueHD -> PCM? Im sure you'll find it easier to replace a player, especially when the ones with DTS Master Audio decoders come out
desray Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 I am under the impression that DTS-High Resolution Soundmix (MA/HA) can only be processed at AVR/Amp side. But then again, I think the idea of leaving the Player to process the DTS-High Resolution as been feasible in time to come...as a matter of fact, maybe I am ill-informed on this department. Anyone can enlighten me? :P
SiriuslyCold Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 this article on hidef Digest makes no distinction between Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD Master Audio - as long as discs are mastered in Advanced mode they have to be decoded in the player. The article goes on to mention that all 1) all HDDVDs are mastered in advanced mode and 2) BD discs are in basic mode until they get interactivity sorted out at which point they will all go advanced. carrying this a bit further: There - perhaps - was a difference between DTS/DD 5.1 because of the difference in compression algorithms and bitrates but even then it was not discernible when level matched. If the mixing is the same, I fail to see if there is going to be any difference in the end whether the audio comes from DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD - both are lossless compression of the original multichannel PCM mix and unzipping either would result in the same thing. (think of the difference between using WinZip and WinRAR - nothing really)
kuryakin Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Well, I'm still a loyal fan of Rotel power amps though. Value-for-watts ;) Using an old Yammy receiver as my pre which will probably be upgraded down the road but wil retain my Rotel 985 power!
Phil1624705739 Posted September 9, 2007 Author Posted September 9, 2007 There are many other considerations other than the DTS-HD decoding. Another major bottleneck is HDMI 1.3. My PJ is 1.3-ready and supports Deep Color. Though actual material to capitalize this feature is non-existence, I would not like to go on an upgrade exercise once they hit the market. Unless Bro like Des, I believe in long-term investment and avoid upgrading repeatedly. No right or wrong here, just a matter of habit. Phil
domj Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Dem sian when I saw the new processor cannot decode the new formats. :'( Using the player to decode the new HD sound formats sounds like when DD5.1 and DTS 1st burst on the scene. Remember using the dvdp built-in decoder and connecting the analog outputs of the dvdp to connect to the 5.1 inputs of the amp then. Lotsa cables...
Jag Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 There are many other considerations other than the DTS-HD decoding. Another major bottleneck is HDMI 1.3. My PJ is 1.3-ready and supports Deep Color. Though actual material to capitalize this feature is non-existence, I would not like to go on an upgrade exercise once they hit the market. Unless Bro like Des, I believe in long-term investment and avoid upgrading repeatedly. No right or wrong here, just a matter of habit. Phil I think the real reason the Rotel doesn't feel such a good deal because it cost good deal of money for less features, whereas the AV amps from Onkyo are really bang for buck several times over as compared to the Rotel. Doesn't really help inflate the male ego when something with such a great price tag doesn't even do a basic function that others do without problems.
domj Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 domj, ever hear of HDMI? Just remembering the mess of cables I had back then lah... ;D
SiriuslyCold Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 its not the same though - back then you could not pass multichannel PCM (after decoding DD/DTS) through the SPDI/F, so you had to go through analog and were dependent on the player DACs, which may or may not be superior to the receiver DACs. With HDMI, you can bypass the player DACs
Phil1624705739 Posted September 10, 2007 Author Posted September 10, 2007 I think the real reason the Rotel doesn't feel such a good deal because it cost good deal of money for less features, whereas the AV amps from Onkyo are really bang for buck several times over as compared to the Rotel. Doesn't really help inflate the male ego when something with such a great price tag doesn't even do a basic function that others do without problems. They have always place a heavy emphasis on performance over features. But then.. this time round, they have definitely crossed the line. Phil
Jag Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 They have always place a heavy emphasis on performance over features. But then.. this time round, they have definitely crossed the line. Phil Eh, phil, go for the onkyo la. Forget about brand loyalty when their latest offering is more like last years av amp's basic feature set.
Phil1624705739 Posted September 10, 2007 Author Posted September 10, 2007 Eh, phil, go for the onkyo la. Forget about brand loyalty when their latest offering is more like last years av amp's basic feature set. 99% liaio lor. I want a black 875. How about you bro? Going 1080p and TrueHD/DTS-HD?? Phil
Jag Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Me? I still slowly la....... very happy with my setup. Even with the improvements of 1080p and trueHD, I still find my ferrari with manual shift, no power steering and gas guzzling engine still a pure joy to indulge in.
Phil1624705739 Posted September 10, 2007 Author Posted September 10, 2007 Me? I still slowly la....... very happy with my setup. Even with the improvements of 1080p and trueHD, I still find my ferrari with manual shift, no power steering and gas guzzling engine still a pure joy to indulge in. Good for you. Phil
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