yob Posted May 27, 2007 Posted May 27, 2007 Hi, i have a Marantz SR4001... would like to know which subwoofer goes well with that avr... currently building up list of subs to audition..
dbchoong Posted May 27, 2007 Posted May 27, 2007 Some info might be useful - What's your budget? How big is your listening area? Music or HT? :)
SiriuslyCold Posted May 27, 2007 Posted May 27, 2007 actually since most subs you're going to consider are going to be powered subs, it makes no difference what AVR you use. It hardly even matters to match the sub with your speakers (which is why you see a lot of people with subs other than the same brand as their main speaker systems). Whats most important with subs is - how much space you have to fill, and how much money you can throw at filling that space up. Its usually a compromise between going low and going loud and enough money can achieve both. AV Talk UK has some subwoofer tests
yob Posted May 27, 2007 Author Posted May 27, 2007 Hmm... Thanks for the info.. I think would be more to HT than Music.. And the sub will be place in the living room (standard 4room hall) So what decent choices do i have for say <$300 for a start.. For this <$300 subs i have seen, most are 8 inch models.. Will they be good enuff?
petetherock Posted May 27, 2007 Posted May 27, 2007 Hi bro I cannot stare straight at you and recommend a new sub for <$300 which you will not get dissapointed with in a few months :) I am being frank cos I did the same 10 years ago and regretted it. Bro DB , Jag , Jason Yeo and SC will know more (tey are good points of reference for subs) But some thoughts: Veldyne, Paradigm, Wharf, MS, Mirage (all at SLS / Adelphi - shop around a bit) make sub budget subs for less than 7xx, and will give you more oophm, which a more modest one will find hard to produce. Altnernatively you can get a 2nd hand one :) Hmm... Thanks for the info.. I think would be more to HT than Music.. And the sub will be place in the living room (standard 4room hall) So what decent choices do i have for say <$300 for a start.. For this <$300 subs i have seen, most are 8 inch models.. Will they be good enuff?
SiriuslyCold Posted May 27, 2007 Posted May 27, 2007 look for a used Paradigm PS1000 (10", ~130W) an older version will go for around $350 or less - although version 3 and 4 are probably better music~wise they might be slightly more expensive
yob Posted May 27, 2007 Author Posted May 27, 2007 Thanks a lot for the advice guys ;D ... so looks like i would have to wait & save up or probably wait for somebody to let go of theirs... Whats the price range of the decent subs? May i know too what are the criteria that make a good subwoofer buy ???
dbchoong Posted May 27, 2007 Posted May 27, 2007 HT, 4rm hall - you should look out for at least a 10" sub. What front and surround speakers are you getting? :)
petetherock Posted May 27, 2007 Posted May 27, 2007 If you need to keep to your budget, maybe you can visit a shop which allows you to audition their sub and if it doesn't quite blow your skirt up, upgrade to a better one. I can't think of many 10" or bigger subs under 500 that sound that great? But go to KEC and Alpha Audio in Adelphi and City Electronics in SLS Merdeka has a PSB alpha zero (a bit puny IMO) or 5 for a bit more - SLS
yob Posted May 28, 2007 Author Posted May 28, 2007 So far auditioned 2 10" subs at causeway pt; whaferdale ($399) & Polyway ($259)... subs were tried with some spanish-flamenco songs that the shop was playing... the subs sounded like boomy (not sure what u guys call it)... whaferdale was better sounding than nthe other one though... the search for the sub carries on... ;D
petetherock Posted May 28, 2007 Posted May 28, 2007 So you are begining to understand why we are proposing an upward revision of your budget. HT needs a sub which can do a nice hump around 60-40Hz mostly although there is plenty of bass below that. A budget sub may not be so tight and especially for music, you will notice it, audiophile or not. There is no better way to find out than to research it yourself. So far auditioned 2 10" subs at causeway pt; whaferdale ($399) & Polyway ($259)... subs were tried with some spanish-flamenco songs that the shop was playing... the subs sounded like boomy (not sure what u guys call it)... whaferdale was better sounding than nthe other one though... the search for the sub carries on... ;D
dethangel Posted May 28, 2007 Posted May 28, 2007 Another thing TS forgot to mention is - do you or will you be playing at reference or near reference levels. As you know ... we all get the itch to up the volume until "song song" ;D at times especially bass heavy scenes. If you intend to do that.. an 8" will not suffice. Else ... i'd recommend the definitive technolgoy prosub 800 (new model) .. tested it at KEC and find it pretty good for small rooms / small setups
wolverex Posted May 28, 2007 Posted May 28, 2007 Another thing TS forgot to mention is - do you or will you be playing at reference or near reference levels. As you know ... we all get the itch to up the volume until "song song" ;D at times especially bass heavy scenes. If you intend to do that.. an 8" will not suffice. Else ... i'd recommend the definitive technolgoy prosub 800 (new model) .. tested it at KEC and find it pretty good for small rooms / small setups I second that recommendation, i auditioned side by side with a lot of other subs (Wharfedale, Velodyne, B&W) and i think for that price , it's really worth it. *Sorry mine's a pro-sub 80. What i like about the sub is its really powerful but not overwhelming, very tight. Another thing is, not too sure what's the audiophile term for this, it doesn't feel like the bass is coming the sub, it's very very natural.
petetherock Posted May 28, 2007 Posted May 28, 2007 Just for you bro I visited KEC (was buying my Sanus racks :) ) Sub begin at 2xx with a Polk Audio 8" Wharf at 560 MS 309 at 560 Def Tech 80 - 8" 5xx Things get interesting at 7xx Velodyne CHTr 10 - 7xx Def tech - 7xx Quads, and Velodyne CHTR 12 etc for more. My warning about peanuts and monkeys apply. Talk to Clarence or Patrick, they will try and accomodate you. On the 2nd floor, the Linn dealer Mr Cheng has a Audica 8" sub for 5xx
SiriuslyCold Posted May 28, 2007 Posted May 28, 2007 the CHT10r looks interesting for $7xx only thing is.... is x = 9?
petetherock Posted May 28, 2007 Posted May 28, 2007 Some one selling a Wharf cheap: http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/buysell/YaBB.cgi?board=ht&action=display&num=1180225273
ralfale Posted July 3, 2007 Posted July 3, 2007 Guys, for a small living room, is there a great diff between a 8" sub vs a 10" one? Basically i'm considering Velodyne CHT8R vs Wharfedale 10" sub. CHT8R actually costs more than wharfedale, but i was told by the person in KEF that velodyne offers fuller bass although is 8". Now, im prepared to consider push my budget to get a CHT10R instead. Any other 10" recommendations? Where can i try them?
Melvinho77 Posted July 3, 2007 Posted July 3, 2007 When I was at KEC a few days ago, I was quoted $880 for Velodyne CHT-10R, $1080 for CHT-12R which I brought. Really can feel the difference between the 10 and the 12. More omhp.. Now I have a 3yr old Whafedale WH210 10"subwoofer for sale at $180.. intererested? :)
buzztiger Posted July 3, 2007 Posted July 3, 2007 Hi ! Subwoofers are meant to move air. So bigger cone = more air moved. More air moved = more bass. Generally bigger cones will go lower. Look which subwoofer has a good frequency response . Becareful of manufacturer spec that put the freq response, look out for the range ie 20Hz-100Hz +- 3dB. Not just plain like 20Hz-100Hz. This might mean that the sub may not play really flat in that range.
ALERT1624705860 Posted July 3, 2007 Posted July 3, 2007 Is Subwoofer cable an inportant aspect in HT systems? Or we can just use normal coaxial cables?
petetherock Posted July 3, 2007 Posted July 3, 2007 Size matters, if you want to plunge the depths, a bigger sub or a much higher power rating is needed. But See what your needs are, tightness and pace can be compromised if the sub driver cannot keep up in music. Play some music as well, rather than just listen to the 'boom boom' Listen to a good sub in action then see if that is what you want. Make sure you audition well, rather than get a sub which is highlight in What Lo Fi
petetherock Posted July 3, 2007 Posted July 3, 2007 I would spend about 10% of the cost of the sub at the most. But buy long enough a cable, 5m or sometimes more. I use a Audioquest cable with a y splitter. I had a Monster one as well, and that was ok, you can buy it off ebay for less than $60 shipped. Is Subwoofer cable an inportant aspect in HT systems? Or we can just use normal coaxial cables?
petetherock Posted July 3, 2007 Posted July 3, 2007 Friends this link may be useful after you buy the sub: http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=42513.0
synthesis1624705793 Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Is Subwoofer cable an inportant aspect in HT systems? Or we can just use normal coaxial cables? I just use the thicker Daiyo interconnect available at HomeFix or Best etc. Serves me just fine. ;)
Melvinho77 Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 I just use the thicker Daiyo interconnect available at HomeFix or Best etc. Serves me just fine. ;) Or when you are buying the sub, just ask the shop to throw in the cables for free. :)
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