hifiluv Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 Ha ha... after reading Bolts' thread on anticable, itchy leh... went down to LHS and was introduced to this 10AWG cable, design for audio use n understand tis is a relatively new product frm Belden. http://www.belden.com/pdfs/prodbull/NP232.pdf setup with MP5 and Marantz cdp, nice match as cable adds more bounce to the sweet but laid back output from Marantz. being 10AWG, need to get banana plugs to take in the cable thickness. :)
VFMs Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 hi hifiluv, whats the price range like? 16, 14 or 12 AWG available as well?
hifiluv Posted March 21, 2007 Author Posted March 21, 2007 geez...when i saw the tok gong 10AWG, i just buy and didnt ask for the smaller guage ones, the 1313A is $8/mtr, for the rest shd be px lower, but u need to call LHS. :)
zapp1624705742 Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 Ha ha... after reading Bolts' thread on anticable, itchy leh... went down to LHS and was introduced to this 10AWG cable, design for audio use n understand tis is a relatively new product frm Belden. http://www.belden.com/pdfs/prodbull/NP232.pdf setup with MP5 and Marantz cdp, nice match as cable adds more bounce to the sweet but laid back output from Marantz. being 10AWG, need to get banana plugs to take in the cable thickness. :) compared with the biwire beldens??
hifiluv Posted March 21, 2007 Author Posted March 21, 2007 compared with the biwire beldens?? i can only compare with Canare 4S11 biwire, the Canare is warm but a little fuzzy but tis baby is a good balance between warm and punchy with more details. i hv only used it for an hr n i m already liking it... ;D the Canare is 14AWG (1.63mm dia) while tis cable being 10AWG (2.59mm) is almost 1.5x the diameter. what was interesting is tat when set up with 6L6 tube amp n Energy C3, with the Canare 4S11, there was a constant hissing sound fm the right channel, but when swap tis cable, the sound was gone. also with 6p1, when setup in living room, got a more decent soundstage, played Enya, she seems to move forward a few step, so i retract the comment tat the 6p1 is only good for small room; just change the speaker cable, ;D pair up with 6L6, MP5 and mini 6p1, all reveal more details and punch, played acoustic guitar tracks and i could almost feel the plucking of each string, very refreshing. IMHO, tis is a quite good match for tube amps and its not ex, so can buy a run and play with it. :)
2100 Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Bro, maybe you could actually try the 16AWG 1307A version for your application (tubes)....even if yours is not SE. Might be pleasantly surprised. And if you can, use it bare (but carefully tinned). I am actually ditching my kilobuck super thick cable soon for a 20AWG Ortofon which is less than 100 bucks.
Smooth1624705821 Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Hi boring, as above thread..... geez...when i saw the tok gong 10AWG, i just buy and didnt ask for the smaller guage ones, the 1313A is $8/mtr, for the rest shd be px lower, but u need to call LHS.
Smooth1624705821 Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Hifiluv, u damn good one. Just after I get my anti cables, you introduce new cable. Never ending ventures. BTW, do you bi wire your speakers?
boring Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Sorry didn't read thoroughly. I might use this for car since it's quite affordable. try at home 1st. hehe
hifiluv Posted March 22, 2007 Author Posted March 22, 2007 Bro, maybe you could actually try the 16AWG 1307A version for your application (tubes)....even if yours is not SE. Might be pleasantly surprised. And if you can, use it bare (but carefully tinned). I am actually ditching my kilobuck super thick cable soon for a 20AWG Ortofon which is less than 100 bucks. Thank you ah....i feel another itch coming my way....... ;D
hifiluv Posted March 22, 2007 Author Posted March 22, 2007 Hifiluv, u damn good one. Just after I get my anti cables, you introduce new cable. Never ending ventures. BTW, do you bi wire your speakers? yes, the KEF is biwired using Canare 4S11, as front for HT, which i find its quite good becos of the wide dispersion feature of the UniQ design and the 4S11 balance with warmness. i used belden for my centre as it gives more crisp sound for vocal. the 1313A is used as single cable for Energy and for playing with the various tube amps. interestingly, 1313A not only output more details but also open up the soundstage for the Energy C3 which on its own cast a smaller dispersion compared with the KEF :)
2100 Posted March 23, 2007 Posted March 23, 2007 Thank you ah....i feel another itch coming my way....... ;D No worries, you are welcome! ;D Its cheap anyway, like i said try it bare and RAW!
hifiluv Posted March 23, 2007 Author Posted March 23, 2007 i use banana plugs becos - 1. always swaping cables fm one amp to another, if screw n unscrew bare wires, hands very sore leh...he he...... 2. it may be in the mind, but i feel the sound is better, :P btw where to buy the Ortofon ah??? getting more itchy leidi.... ;D
hifiluv Posted March 23, 2007 Author Posted March 23, 2007 Sorry didn't read thoroughly. I might use this for car since it's quite affordable. try at home 1st. hehe if ur car using default wires, galentee this one sure improve sound one. i changed the internal wires of my minicompo speakers to belden wires, the sound jump one notch, ;D
Smooth1624705821 Posted March 23, 2007 Posted March 23, 2007 boring, my car ice use 100% belden speaker cable. 8xxx forget the no. Sound good to me.
Kelsteph2002 Posted March 23, 2007 Posted March 23, 2007 Today i bought the 1313a from LHS, i was charged $6/m. Bro hifiluv, i think you got overcharged. Heh ;D
2100 Posted March 23, 2007 Posted March 23, 2007 You can get Ortofon from audionote. Need help from your fav dealer, buying direct is expensive.
maxngck Posted March 23, 2007 Posted March 23, 2007 i can only compare with Canare 4S11 biwire, the Canare is warm but a little fuzzy but tis baby is a good balance between warm and punchy with more details. i hv only used it for an hr n i m already liking it... ;D the Canare is 14AWG (1.63mm dia) while tis cable being 10AWG (2.59mm) is almost 1.5x the diameter. what was interesting is tat when set up with 6L6 tube amp n Energy C3, with the Canare 4S11, there was a constant hissing sound fm the right channel, but when swap tis cable, the sound was gone. also with 6p1, when setup in living room, got a more decent soundstage, played Enya, she seems to move forward a few step, so i retract the comment tat the 6p1 is only good for small room; just change the speaker cable, ;D pair up with 6L6, MP5 and mini 6p1, all reveal more details and punch, played acoustic guitar tracks and i could almost feel the plucking of each string, very refreshing. IMHO, tis is a quite good match for tube amps and its not ex, so can buy a run and play with it. :) hi! how much is the plug shown in the pic? is that call banana plug? can get in LHS? thks!
koma Posted March 23, 2007 Posted March 23, 2007 any comments or rebviews on ht usage for tis cable compared to the 1810a? im was tinkin of gettin 1810a when i saw ur review. will be goin dwn lhs probably next week to get either cable. btw any other belden cable recommended for ht use speakers using single wire
hifiluv Posted March 25, 2007 Author Posted March 25, 2007 hi! how much is the plug shown in the pic? is that call banana plug? can get in LHS? thks! hi, plugs bought from Sim Lim Twr basement, cheap cheap only, $2.50/4pcs, but found out not suitable for 10AWG wire, too thick for cavity provided, also only got 1 screw so cannot hold wire properly. better to get the other one in the pic, $7.50/4pcs, can take in 10AWG size and also 2 screws to hold the cable, available at basement shops at Sim Lim Twr. :)
boring Posted March 26, 2007 Posted March 26, 2007 boring, my car ice use 100% belden speaker cable. 8xxx forget the no. Sound good to me. I'm also using 8471 16awg now. Because they're tinned coated, so there's abit of "skin" effect. Want to try pure copper. 1313A is abit think but LHS only has this at the monent. Smaller guage 13XX series not in yet
hifiluv Posted March 27, 2007 Author Posted March 27, 2007 after a week of playing with the cable, when hook up to KEF, somehow the sound becomes less dynamic (the bounce of string is gone), but after i reconnect back to the 4S11, the sound "bounced" back. can't really explain it, but may be a case of matching. now trying out the 1313A as hookup for HT front (not KEF), the sound is much better than the Belden 8471 16 AWG which i was using, improve in clarity, and overall presentation :)
hifiluv Posted March 30, 2007 Author Posted March 30, 2007 also tried the 1313A to hook up to the centre speaker, sound is much clearer and sharper but somehow lost the warm and naturalness, swap back to Belden 8473 14AWG. so the 1313A remains just as hookup for the fronts, which i also used to listen to stereo via coaxial conn to cdp, sound is very much improved over the Canare 4S11 or the 8471 16AWG. :)
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