spec Posted February 10, 2007 Posted February 10, 2007 anyone has any idea how much the matching quad centre speaker for the quad 11l costs...tried calling kec but no reply
petetherock Posted February 10, 2007 Posted February 10, 2007 600 plus, KEC or Eletrades carries a few as well.
IwishIwasToneDeaf Posted February 10, 2007 Posted February 10, 2007 The last i heard the 11Ls were going for $699 @ KEC. The center should be cheaper or closely matched in pricing.
yellowhandman Posted February 10, 2007 Posted February 10, 2007 The last i heard the 11Ls were going for $699 @ KEC. The center should be cheaper or closely matched in pricing. the price is around there, but hurry up because Clarence told me that KEC has decided to stop selling quad speakers. so all they have is what is left in stock. btw the quad centre is huge. unless you have a big room, it might be a little oversized. i was thinking of getting one to match my 11Ls, and just couldn't fit it into my setup. tried a quad-lite centre instead, but found that the sound was much smaller than the 11Ls and didn't really work well.
petetherock Posted February 10, 2007 Posted February 10, 2007 Pity it seems a few dealers are giving it up, wonder if its cos the new Quads aren't so great or just that profit margins are no good? IMO if you can take it, a decent size centre is v useful for HT (actually I don't think its that big), otherwise the sound is too weedy. Make sure your amp is good though, they need some power to drive Quads.
1AngMoh Posted February 12, 2007 Posted February 12, 2007 Pity it seems a few dealers are giving it up, wonder if its cos the new Quads aren't so great or just that profit margins are no good? IMO if you can take it, a decent size centre is v useful for HT (actually I don't think its that big), otherwise the sound is too weedy. Make sure your amp is good though, they need some power to drive Quads. The KEC boys recently picked up the Cyrus audio product range and i suspect agreed to drop the Quads. Alternatively it might because KEC didn't sell enough Quad gear to keep the representation. Either way it's a bit of a shame as Quad has been at the forefront of speaker (legendary electrostatics come to mind) and electronics (highly rated 99 / 909 pre/pwr) for over 50 years. However, to a certain degree Quad has failed to keep up with the times and recent products (largely tweaks to old ones) have received a luke warm reception by the audiophile community. Further, the product range is limited as appears their marketing spend. I agree with petetherock. The centre channel is widely regarded as the most important channel in a HT system as it does up to 80% of the work, most critical of which is being responsible for dialogue. The centre channel anchors the rest of the system and deserves appropriately allocated $.
fahrvergnugen Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 dear bros, anyone has recommendation of a matching centre speaker for the quad 11l ?
1AngMoh Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 dear bros, anyone has recommendation of a matching centre speaker for the quad 11l ? Best match would be the Quad L-Centre as it uses the same bass driver unit as the 11L (possibly the same tweeter too) and presents the same load and a similar efficiency to the 11L.
fahrvergnugen Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Dear 1AngMoh, Thank you for the response. Dear petetherock, Re: Make sure your amp is good though, they need some power to drive Quads. Can I ask you to elaborate a little more? Thank you. Dear bros, any other recommendation?
petetherock Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Hi What are you using now? They aren't the most sensitive speakers and the impedance is low, so giving them a better amp with higher current will make them sing more P http://www.iagamerica.com/quad/hifiworld11l.pdf 87db, 6ohms, not something you want to use a budget amp if possible, so you really get the best out of it. BTW there aren't too many choices for a centre, especially if you want tonal matching. Dear 1AngMoh, Thank you for the response. Dear petetherock, Re: Make sure your amp is good though, they need some power to drive Quads. Can I ask you to elaborate a little more? Thank you. Dear bros, any other recommendation?
fahrvergnugen Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Dear petetherock, Thank you for the response. No setup yet; going to buy a pair of 11L just planning for a center in event of unsatisfactory dialogue output.
petetherock Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 If you have the $$, get a special off KEC by getting all 3, cos Quads are dissappearing and you don't want to be stuck w/o a centre. But if you like, using 'virtual surround' is pretty ok for starters. I am only using a stereo pair right now, until I get my whole setup. BTW maybe you can bi-amp the Quads with your 7001?
fahrvergnugen Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Dear petetherock, don't have 7001 lah; targeting 4/5001.. (keeping within budget) for the similar reason, i'm seeking recommendations for center other than quad centre..
petetherock Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 It would not be to your advantage sonically if you commit to the Quads and get another brand centre, bro. Doesn't make sense. At least get the 5001. Dear petetherock, don't have 7001 lah; targeting 4/5001.. (keeping within budget) for the similar reason, i'm seeking recommendations for center other than quad centre..
Guest yinkhoon Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Dear Petetherock, may i know why you recommend getting at least the SR5001, compared to SR4001? I was talking to the KEC guys who felt the extra 10W per channel won't make much of a difference. I just got the Quad L-ite system from KEC, upgraded the front speakers to 11L, now considering whether to buy the SR4001 or SR5001 to drive the system. Thanks for any opinion!
petetherock Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Some thoughts: - if you cannot hear the difference, no worries ;) - 10w is a paper difference, eg a THX Ultra amp is also rated around 140W pc 'only' but is much mor powerful, don't get decieve by specs - make sure either one has enough features for you - my policy buy a good enough amp that you won't want to upgrade for a while - imagine if you found the 4001 wanting, and crave for something higher after say 3 months? - another analogy, buying the 1.6l civic and finding that the 1.8l is so much better for example, and you can't upgrade so easily But live within your budget. Look at the specs of your Quads, they are nice, but like to be given good power and good amps, which will make them sing. If I had a hand in it, I would get a SR 8001, but I understand and respect that $$ is hard to come by. Enjoy your purchase, they are lovely stuff! PS: check the feature list and see if they have all you need Dear Petetherock, may i know why you recommend getting at least the SR5001, compared to SR4001? I was talking to the KEC guys who felt the extra 10W per channel won't make much of a difference. I just got the Quad L-ite system from KEC, upgraded the front speakers to 11L, now considering whether to buy the SR4001 or SR5001 to drive the system. Thanks for any opinion!
armoury Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Dear Petetherock, may i know why you recommend getting at least the SR5001, compared to SR4001? I was talking to the KEC guys who felt the extra 10W per channel won't make much of a difference. I just got the Quad L-ite system from KEC, upgraded the front speakers to 11L, now considering whether to buy the SR4001 or SR5001 to drive the system. Thanks for any opinion! It isn't just the on-paper 10W/ch, but generally speaking the higher up the receiver, the better the build quality and therefore the sound quality. You should also get more features. Although at entry levels the differences may not be that great. (FWIW nearly 5 yrs ago I agonised over whether to get the 7200 or 8200. Finally went with the 8200 -- and I still have it to this day, and am still happy with it.)
Guest yinkhoon Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Petetherock and Armoury, thks for advice. Just two points I am considering: 1) The KEC staff advised that for Quad L-ite, i wouldn't need too powerful an AV-receiver, the SR4001 should be adequate. No floorstanders anyway. 2) I did consider the SR7001, but at $1200 plus, i thought i might as well wait for HDMI1.3 (or whatever else comes out a couple of years later) in a new SR7002 or SR7003, if i want to invest that kind of money. And in meantime, to buy a cheaper SR4001 at $500 plus to sell it off two years later when i upgrade. 3) I did listen to both the SR4001 and SR7001 with Quad11, have to admit i didn't hear much of a difference to justify more than double the money. But then i am a newbie and hearing keeness can develop, and there is that psychological factor too. Are the above considerations valid or should i just go for the SR7001 and forget about upgrading or HDMI1.3 and whatever else for a long time to come! As for the SR8001, I think that is definitely beyond my limited budget and hifi ambitions, thanks!
petetherock Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Hey if you can't hear any diff, yippee and break out the champagne!! In a flat, most amps giving out 30w pc in 5.1 (most budget amps fall into this category) are enough to make noise and annoy the neighbours. And if you can't diiferentiate one nosie from another, good for you. Save the $$ and buy more DVDs. Then get a better amp in 4 yrs. But what I hope you will avoid is, get a sudden rash of buying fever, get this amp, think of ways to upgrade it, add a power amp, fancy cables and other items which will be quite useless (I expect replies to this - :) ) if the base amp is a 4001 or even 5001. So what I mean is get the best amp you can for now but stop. Don't go overboard and buy other accessories and add ons right after, cos the sound doesn't fufil your needs. For eg a 4001 + a 5 channel power amp isn't going to sound better, than a decent AV amp, it may go louder cos the speakers needed the power, but not neccesarily Better. Just my 2c worth, but remember your ears are the best judge and other bros may differ on their opinions so don't just rely on mine ;) Petetherock and Armoury, thks for advice. Just two points I am considering: 1) The KEC staff advised that for Quad L-ite, i wouldn't need too powerful an AV-receiver, the SR4001 should be adequate. No floorstanders anyway. 2) I did consider the SR7001, but at $1200 plus, i thought i might as well wait for HDMI1.3 (or whatever else comes out a couple of years later) in a new SR7002 or SR7003, if i want to invest that kind of money. And in meantime, to buy a cheaper SR4001 at $500 plus to sell it off two years later when i upgrade. 3) I did listen to both the SR4001 and SR7001 with Quad11, have to admit i didn't hear much of a difference to justify more than double the money. But then i am a newbie and hearing keeness can develop, and there is that psychological factor too. Are the above considerations valid or should i just go for the SR7001 and forget about upgrading or HDMI1.3 and whatever else for a long time to come! As for the SR8001, I think that is definitely beyond my limited budget and hifi ambitions, thanks!
1AngMoh Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 1) The KEC staff advised that for Quad L-ite, i wouldn't need too powerful an AV-receiver, the SR4001 should be adequate. No floorstanders anyway. 2) I did consider the SR7001, but at $1200 plus, i thought i might as well wait for HDMI1.3 (or whatever else comes out a couple of years later) in a new SR7002 or SR7003, if i want to invest that kind of money. And in meantime, to buy a cheaper SR4001 at $500 plus to sell it off two years later when i upgrade. It isn't just the on-paper 10W/ch, but generally speaking the higher up the receiver, the better the build quality and therefore the sound quality. You should also get more features. Although at entry levels the differences may not be that great. (FWIW nearly 5 yrs ago I agonised over whether to get the 7200 or 8200. Finally went with the 8200 -- and I still have it to this day, and am still happy with it.) I think the point being made by the above forum members is that few people regret buying quality solutions - especially in the all important area of amplification. KEC is not wrong to suggest that the SR4001 is an 'adequate' AV solution - but the question is how long will you be satisfied with an adequate solution? The Quad L-ite package is an 'adequate' compact home theatre speaker solution and yet the first instinct of many (including yourself) is to upgrade the front speakers to 11L's. The centre speaker will doubtlessly be your next target with an upgrade to L-Centre. But coming back to the amplifier if the 4001 is the best amp you can afford for now that's ok. Its just that the 7001 would provide a longer term quality solution with not only more features (esp. HDMI I/O) but also more power to effectively drive your Quad speakers.
petetherock Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 BTW please avoid buying the Quad lites, then think immeidately of an upgrade, change speakers, cables etc cos things weren't blowing your skirt up. Buy them cos they were just good enough or better still impress you enough for the money. Cheers
fahrvergnugen Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Hi, There has been a few mentions on "effectively driving the quad speakers". Pardon my ignorance, how much 'power' will be sufficient?
petetherock Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Like I said, a mini compo can drive your Quads to make noise. But when you use a nicer amp with audiophile parts, it will sound better, does that make sense? plus they are not very sensitive speakers to drive, and are relatively lower in impedence - English = harder to driver to make good sound SG mentality, also applies to cars, if there was a 1 litre engine to drive a S class Merc, SG citizens will buy. Look hard and long at your budget, plus any likely pocket money you will commit later due to itchy hands. Buy the best amp / speaker combo now and don't look anymore. I just see too many bros, myself included who buy something on a budget, then fidget and spend wasteful $$ on gadgets and 'upgrades' which prove to be costly. Spend wisely is my last words, I have been there. I used to own a budget 12" woofer sub which made noise, but was highly unsatisfactory, ended up selling at a loss, and upgrading to a better one when I could have bought the better one first and spend less nett. Hi, There has been a few mentions on "effectively driving the quad speakers". Pardon my ignorance, how much 'power' will be sufficient?
yellowhandman Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Dear Petetherock, may i know why you recommend getting at least the SR5001, compared to SR4001? I was talking to the KEC guys who felt the extra 10W per channel won't make much of a difference. I just got the Quad L-ite system from KEC, upgraded the front speakers to 11L, now considering whether to buy the SR4001 or SR5001 to drive the system. Thanks for any opinion! i tried the L-ite center with my Quad 11Ls, powered by a Denon 2807. to my ears, the L-ite center didn't match at all...the sound was good, but too 'focused' compared to the 11Ls. what i mean is that it was very obvious that the center channel was coming from the speaker, whereas the L/R channels were more dispersed and realistic. but could just be my particular speaker positions and room acoustics. anyway, i found my old mission m3c1 center matched better, after a little tweaking of the equalizer settings on the amp.
1AngMoh Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 i tried the L-ite center with my Quad 11Ls, powered by a Denon 2807. to my ears, the L-ite center didn't match at all...the sound was good, but too 'focused' compared to the 11Ls. That is correct, the L-ite center is not a good match for the Quad 11L's. The matching speaker is called a Quad L-Centre (big brother of L-ite) as this is tonally, timbre and impedance matched to the 11L. That said, sound should be more focused from a centre channel since its mean't to deliver the movies dialogue. Your Mission m3c1 perhaps sounds better the L-ite centre because its a bigger unit with superior bass response (68Hz @ -6dB vs. 80Hz @ -6dB). Replace the m3c1 with the L-Centre and there would be little need to tweak equalisation as tonal match is a given. I am pleased to see so many people enjoying their 11L's. They are indeed a very nice speaker.
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