chainsdb Posted June 30, 2006 Posted June 30, 2006 For those who recently purchased the subs, please tell of your experience....especially those who also ordered the speaker package. How good is the system? Better than Diamond 9 series....how much for a comparable set (different brand) in Singapore? Thirsting for your reviews. thks
DIRTRUN Posted June 30, 2006 Posted June 30, 2006 Hiya, For that price and for HT use, the answer is a resounding yes. For the SBS spkrs, I have no experience so must ask the few owners here, notably Junky, Koma... Cheers Dirtrun
limestone Posted June 30, 2006 Posted June 30, 2006 Haha.. I'd love to put my answer here on this thread.. ;D Check out my comparison between the Wharfedale Diamons SW150 vs SVS PB10 ... (in the SVS corner section) I can't say for speakers... don't own them... SVS is definitely the brand I'm sticking to... (Unless I suddenly become VERY VERY rich) ;D
Transworld Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 I only can comment the sound of SVS sub is very close to the sound of thunder, simply breath taking experience. Absolute no mistake! ;)
armoury Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 SVS is definitely the brand I'm sticking to... (Unless I suddenly become VERY VERY rich) ;D Why "unless"? Just buy a B4, or an SS... ;D
UpGuy Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 i own a pb-10. one thing is for sure... there's no turning back once you step into the realms of infrasonics....you just crave for more....... you ' llunderstand why once you hear a demo with svs sub...
limestone Posted July 3, 2006 Posted July 3, 2006 When infrasonics hit you, your chest can feel it... =) It's a feeling that even bass shakers cannot give you... ;)
basspundit Posted July 3, 2006 Posted July 3, 2006 Like what many owners mentioned, from a price performance standpoint it really is probably the most bang for buck. I'm not that experienced/subjective a music listener so i can't say much about its musicality. There has been much debate on other forums about what makes a sub musical, generally i think what's mentioned is 'group delay' the lower the delay the more accurate the sub. Ported/passive radiated subs tend to have higher group delays and SVS falls into that category i believe. For HT SVS really nails it, previously I was using a Supercube ref, it goes low and loud(unfortuantely i have no SPL meter then), but with the same 12 o'clock position on the sub volume, the PB12+/2 gave out >10db during my receiver's tone burst calibration. So for about SGD$400 less i'm getting louder SPLs :) But there are compromises of course, SVS subs are big, they're cheaper probably because they chose not to fight physics, big box = big bass. You get other subs which gives you small foot prints, but end up with correctional servos to lower distortions etc or some other 'proprietary' technology which inevitably gives them a chance to charge a higher price.
2100 Posted July 4, 2006 Posted July 4, 2006 For HT SVS really nails it, previously I was using a Supercube ref, it goes low and loud(unfortuantely i have no SPL meter then), but with the same 12 o'clock position on the sub volume, the PB12+/2 gave out >10db during my receiver's tone burst calibration. Bro, how about for music, comparing between your Subercube ref and PB12+/2? Don't have to be serious "accurate" stuff like double bass or timpani hits. Bass guitar and jazz stuff? Or even Trance? I'd believe the SVS gives more output but lets say that's not really important because for music you usually won't hit more than 90-100dB max.
basspundit Posted July 5, 2006 Posted July 5, 2006 Hiya, I really can't comment on the music part, when I listen to pop/dance music i leave the sub on for added bass, when I listen to acoustic or blues i leave it off and use port plugs on my mains. So my setup changes quite a bit when i listen to different music, I've yet to integrate the sub nicely(svs or supercube) when playing bluesy songs, it just doesn't sound as nice as plain stereo. For R&B/dance its hard to tell because its so synthesised/processed but the SVS sounds punchier playing these. I don't know if this is the right way to do it....Its probably because my room is not treated, so if certain music has a lot of energy in certain freq i need to tweak my setup to make it sound better. Bro, how about for music, comparing between your Subercube ref and PB12+/2? Don't have to be serious "accurate" stuff like double bass or timpani hits. Bass guitar and jazz stuff? Or even Trance? I'd believe the SVS gives more output but lets say that's not really important because for music you usually won't hit more than 90-100dB max.
ABT Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 Are SVS subs that good? I'd say yes. Why? Because they are the only subs that I came across to be able to flap my pants, tremors my sofa (when sit on them of course) and makes my heart skips a few beats. If I'm back to HT again, I shall not look for any other subs. You can call me crazy, die hard fan, fanatics, etc. But when it comes to something that is worth your every cents, this sub is the ONE. So chainsdb, what are you waiting for? ;D
Jason Yeo Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 But I still feel the svs lack of the mid bass punch that I want . I guess it is due to the unique driver for deep bass . Deliver clean mid but lack of nice punch . Comes to deep , yes , this is the one value for money ;D
manik_saha Posted August 4, 2006 Posted August 4, 2006 I BFD'd my PB+ and in my room (4M X 3.5M) and have 1 setting for music and 1 for movies. I think if correctly set up it does give a better presence of the music, especially tracks with some organ or double bass pieces. But you probably lose some accuracy. For movies, like everyone else before me said, it very difficult to beat.. at most price points. I have mine tuned at 12hz and it can still get really loud (at 1/3 volume on the SVS). my 2c worth.
oliverlim Posted August 6, 2006 Posted August 6, 2006 Agree on the lack of mid bass punch for SVS. Dun know if the new 12.3 Plus drivers help on that. It might as the measurements from the people who install them did show a slight increase in the 40-60hz region. I still feel that the best mix for a HT is still a sealed sub for 40-80hz and SVS for the 40hz and below. I still have not really manage to get SVS to work well in a stereo environment and usually still listen with my main speakers alone as well. I am sure it is possible but it just is not easy. Oliver
media2368 Posted August 7, 2006 Posted August 7, 2006 Agree on the lack of mid bass punch for SVS. Dun know if the new 12.3 Plus drivers help on that. It might as the measurements from the people who install them did show a slight increase in the 40-60hz region. I still feel that the best mix for a HT is still a sealed sub for 40-80hz and SVS for the 40hz and below. I still have not really manage to get SVS to work well in a stereo environment and usually still listen with my main speakers alone as well. I am sure it is possible but it just is not easy. Oliver Will slight boost for 40-60hz region with BFD help?
armoury Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Will slight boost for 40-60hz region with BFD help? The theory, at least according to SVS (who would of course take the view that puts their products in the best light) is that frequency response needs to be as flat as possible across the range, and this holds true for all speakers, not just subwoofers. So the perceived lack of "oomph" at what we might call the lower mid-bass regions is really caused by the flatness of the SVS as compared to the bloated output of other subs, i.e. it is the other subs which are putting out too much at that region, giving it a spike. Unfortunately, given what we're used to hearing over the radio and on "lesser" systems, we've gotten used to that non-flat response and perceive it as being "good", but once you get used to the flat(ter) response of the SVS, you should find that in reality, it's correct and ultimately "better". Just trying to summarise the theory behind it. Me, I just crank it up, don't think about it too much and watch my movies... ;D
hifi_enthusiast Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 Will slight boost for 40-60hz region with BFD help? midbass punch is not 40-60Hz. It's more like 120Hz and up....
Jason Yeo Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 midbass punch is not 40-60Hz. It's more like 120Hz and up.... Hmm... I think it all depends on individual setup, space , sub/listening position , calibration , subs using and what is punch....... To me , punch is when you can listen to bass notes on the front and feel it on your body . The higher the freq , the bass note is smaller . My guess is punch can be start as low as 36hz . I have tested few ppl setup and know 45-63hz is the biggest problem for HDB hall and room . As such , most of the times they cannot feel punch and slam . And it is true that SVS unique drivers very hard(but is possible) to deliver good punch in our room size . You have this , no that :P And I can be very sure using single svs sub is much much more harder to get nice punch unless you are lucky (usually with combination of mains). Many ppl thinks pressurize bass is very deep but I feel that even as high as 80 hz also can pressurize your ear .
oliverlim Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 The theory, at least according to SVS (who would of course take the view that puts their products in the best light) is that frequency response needs to be as flat as possible across the range, and this holds true for all speakers, not just subwoofers. So the perceived lack of "oomph" at what we might call the lower mid-bass regions is really caused by the flatness of the SVS as compared to the bloated output of other subs, i.e. it is the other subs which are putting out too much at that region, giving it a spike. Unfortunately, given what we're used to hearing over the radio and on "lesser" systems, we've gotten used to that non-flat response and perceive it as being "good", but once you get used to the flat(ter) response of the SVS, you should find that in reality, it's correct and ultimately "better". Just trying to summarise the theory behind it. Me, I just crank it up, don't think about it too much and watch my movies... ;D Their PB10 is very linear as in very flat. But their other models esp the ultra drivers have a hump around the 60-80hz region. But even then SVS sub to me at least always lack punch. Other then that they are very outstanding for the price, low bass etc etc. Oh size could be smaller :p Thats the reason why I looked at other subs for this punch so that I could get punch as well as the SVS low bass. I do agree that some punch does come in the 100hz region. But the majority of of punch from machine guns etc are mostly in the 60-80hz region which I feel is lacking in the SVS I had the chance to hear. Your mains does contribute a lot in this region but it is usually already dropping in output due to the usual 80hz crossover. Probably the only SVS sub I have not heard is the PB10. Maybe due to the linearity of this sub, which is much better then any of the other SVS sub, has this missing punch? Does anyone have both the PB10 and another SVS sub at the same time in the same room? That would be interesting. Oliver
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