Sparks1624705796 Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 [move]Hey Friends,[/move] I'll be shifting over to a new place soon and i've dedicated a room purely for HT. Am in the process of designing it and deciding on the components set up. But i reckon there must be better ideas out there, and therefore i'll be seeking any help i can get my hands on- from all of you. Please help to comment/ suggest/ value add on my proposed set-up, and fill in the blanks on areas i'm totally clueless....thanks mates. Budget: 12K or less without Interior design. Room size: 5.33m x 3.35m x 3m (LxBxH) Screen size: 100 - 120 inches diagonally. Usage: Mainly Movie, TV and Music (stereo) Layout: 2 x leather recliners as front row with elevated back row of sofa that sits 4. Minimum distance from eye(1st row) to screen 3.5m Likely set up: SPEAKERS 1. front speakers B&W 603 S3 2. centre speaker B&W LCR 60 S3 3. rear speakers B&W 602 S3 4. woofer B&W ASW 600 PROJECTOR INFOCUS 76 SCREEN CUSTOMISED MOCOMTECH 7 GAIN FIXED SCREEN AVR : Denon? DVD player: Denon? CD player: Cambridge Audio Cables: ??? The above can be changed for better quality equivalent priced item. Pls feel free to suggest, and i would like to invite the contributors for the opening ceremony once completed.....thank you very much.
zapp1624705742 Posted June 19, 2006 Posted June 19, 2006 Before i start: put disclaimer first: Your milage may vary from recommendations best thing is to go down to the shops and see/hear/feel for yourself. May i first ask perhaps what is the basis of your choosing of the components? Also do you own some of the equipment already or is it gonna be all 1st hand? I can contribute first for cables: Canare L-5FCB terminated with canare RCA plugs for your video cables (component) Belden 1694A also can - in fact for coaxial can use this combi too. For optical cable - wait for dbchoong to order in a batch glass fiber ones. Main speaker cable is really up to your budget - no recommendation for this one. For subwoofer - haha you come to a quite pro-SVS sub place - their subs are really value for money. You might want to take a look at the SVS section of this forum. For projector - may i know why u choose the infocus 76? For looks or for features? Would you consider LCD projectors or you must get DLP? Optoma H71 and Benq 7700 gets quite good ratings also. No comments for the rest of the other components currently.
armoury Posted June 20, 2006 Posted June 20, 2006 Seems like you already have the B&Ws, or you have already decided. If so, the next step is to find a receiver that matches well. The usual suspects would be Denon 2807 (I think, or maybe the higher 3807 -- I've been out of it for a while so the newer model numbers escape me sometimes), or the Yamaha 2600. KEC carries them all so you can ask them to hook these up to the B&Ws (which they have) so you can hear what it all actually sounds like. If you do get a Denon receiver, getting a Denon DVD player would then follow, for two reasons: remotes would be compatible, and for the Denon-link, so you can play back DVD-A and SACD without the need for six (or more) analog interconnects. Good candidates would be the 3910, or if budget constrained by then, the 2910. Right now, sadly (from my point of view, since I have one) Marantz receivers don't seem to be punching their weight. A few years ago they certainly did -- which is why I have the 8200 (firmware upgraded to 8300) -- but right now for some reason or other they've fallen behind Denon and Yamaha. Yammies used to be awful for music, but not any more. The most important advice anyone can give you -- go and listen for yourself, with source material you are familiar with. Personally, I'd take the view that if the setup works for music, which is more difficult, it should work for HT as well. I know many talk about the "punchiness" of a setup that is geared for HT, which a setup that can do music well doesn't have as much of, but when you get into the realm of the higher-spec'ed receivers, "it's all good"... ;D
Sparks1624705796 Posted June 20, 2006 Author Posted June 20, 2006 Before i start: put disclaimer first: Your milage may vary from recommendations best thing is to go down to the shops and see/hear/feel for yourself. May i first ask perhaps what is the basis of your choosing of the components? Also do you own some of the equipment already or is it gonna be all 1st hand? I can contribute first for cables: Canare L-5FCB terminated with canare RCA plugs for your video cables (component) Belden 1694A also can - in fact for coaxial can use this combi too. For optical cable - wait for dbchoong to order in a batch glass fiber ones. Main speaker cable is really up to your budget - no recommendation for this one. For subwoofer - haha you come to a quite pro-SVS sub place - their subs are really value for money. You might want to take a look at the SVS section of this forum. For projector - may i know why u choose the infocus 76? For looks or for features? Would you consider LCD projectors or you must get DLP? Optoma H71 and Benq 7700 gets quite good ratings also. No comments for the rest of the other components currently. Hey Zapp, i like your cautious approach in life(disclaimer) but no worries, i'm trying to narrow down my search here then go audition for a final decision. The current setup I've is a pair of 602 S3, Cambridge 640C player & 640A amp, Spark 10watt tube amp, IF 4805 and a 20 gain screen, BOSE lifestyle 35 with jewel cubes, Momitsui player and some mid-end cables/power cords. But the current setup will not have any bearing on my future purchase, i may sell it ALL at a hefty discount to finance my next purchase. SVS - I've actually visited the SVS thread and the info is just too much to digest, any recommendation of any particular model for that room size? Projector - You're right on. I'm a sucker for aesthetics/technology but i'm also particular about performance and limited by budget. A DLP, 720P, ability to project clearly up to 100" are the MUST-Have but not necessary limited to IN76. Any good recommendation for a alternatives? Thanks Mate...for all yr assistance in this. ;)
Sparks1624705796 Posted June 20, 2006 Author Posted June 20, 2006 Hi Armoury, truly agreed that a solid state music set-up will also produce its equivalent in HT but not the other way round. AVR : 3910 & 2910 (need to see the price difference and specs) Player: Will find a compatible Denon. i may add a video upscaler in the like of DVDO-VP 20. Thanks mate
limestone Posted June 20, 2006 Posted June 20, 2006 for a room with 3.35m width, I wouldn't recommend a screen size larger than 85" (diagonal), cos you still need to factor in some space on the left and right of the screen to place your speakers... Look at my HT avatar below.. I'm using a 80" screen, and the speakers are jus beside them. ;)
manik_saha Posted June 20, 2006 Posted June 20, 2006 Apart from the components, you may want to consider - a higher power electricity supply for your HT room - Tubing to run your cables to the projector/rear speakers - power supply placement for your Projector - acoustic treatment in the future. Cheers ;D
armoury Posted June 20, 2006 Posted June 20, 2006 AVR : 3910 & 2910 (need to see the price difference and specs) Player: Will find a compatible Denon. To clarify: 2910 and 3910 are DVD players, the receivers are 2807 and 3807 (I think). I am guessing that the 5910 DVD player (locally the A1XV I think) and/or A1VC receiver are budget breakers (around $5K each!)
Sparks1624705796 Posted June 20, 2006 Author Posted June 20, 2006 Noted. Thanks mate. Didn't know they carry the 5910 locally, i like the video card that they use in it. 5K...whoa....need to convince my wife it only cost 500 bucks in oredr to be llowed to buy it ;D
zapp1624705742 Posted June 20, 2006 Posted June 20, 2006 Hmm i suggest to reduce the price of upgraditis - reuse as many of your components as possible. You want a 5/6/7.1 setup? If 5.1 can keep your current speakers as the rear surrounds and just buy a new center and a good pair of fronts. If 6.1 setup might have to throw in cash to get a matching rear surround. B&Ws get quite a high rating but dun quote me i havent heard them before - think if you like the sound of the B&Ws then stick with your initial decision. For sub woofer if there is no new SVS MO u will have to opt for something that can be bought locally - However take down the dimensions of a PB-12+ on the SVS website and make space for future upgrade - IMHO now a PB-10NSD should be good enough for the room size but then again, there are bass lovers and some folks will say more headroom is better. There is the new SB-12 (typo?) just introduced at the SVS website. http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=39872.0 might be worth considering. Frankly speaking i suggest keeping your current DVDP as blueray and HD DVD is just round the corner. If not go for a cheap upscaling DVD player like a OPPO, Pioneer or Philips or even better the Nachus one that sells at BIG. As for AV amp, usual suspects are the Denons and Yamahas even...of course if you like to try experimenting with digital sound the Panny XR-55 or the latest Panny XR-57 might be worth a shot (need to order thru amazon ship via vpost). Projector wise - IF76 wins hands down in terms of aesthetics. Those that i mentioned are also 720p DLP PJs but might not look as pretty. I think desray just bought a Sharp Z3000 PJ you might want to take a look at his review. Theres always the Sony Ruby hahaha... Screenwise - i really agree w limestone as your room is not v wide...consider maybe even a 80 or 92inch screen to accomodate your speakers, subwoofer placement etc. Also, i noticed that your room length is 5.33m so taking into consideration that you want 3.5m min sitting distance that leaves you with 1.83m for leather recliner and the rear sofa. This is not taking into consideration how you want to mount your rear speakers i.e. wall mount or speaker stands so you might want to think on this also. Got budget 2x OSIM massage chair lagi better ;D
synthesis1624705793 Posted June 20, 2006 Posted June 20, 2006 ..... - acoustic treatment in the future. ..... Better do it now rather than cut and paste later. Probably you can knock some forumers' door and have a look how they've done it.
limestone Posted June 20, 2006 Posted June 20, 2006 Better do it now rather than cut and paste later. Probably you can knock some forumers' door and have a look how they've done it. agreeed... don't stinge and get it done right from the renovation stage.
Sparks1624705796 Posted June 22, 2006 Author Posted June 22, 2006 Hmm i suggest to reduce the price of upgraditis - reuse as many of your components as possible. You want a 5/6/7.1 setup? If 5.1 can keep your current speakers as the rear surrounds and just buy a new center and a good pair of fronts. If 6.1 setup might have to throw in cash to get a matching rear surround. B&Ws get quite a high rating but dun quote me i havent heard them before - think if you like the sound of the B&Ws then stick with your initial decision. For sub woofer if there is no new SVS MO u will have to opt for something that can be bought locally - However take down the dimensions of a PB-12+ on the SVS website and make space for future upgrade - IMHO now a PB-10NSD should be good enough for the room size but then again, there are bass lovers and some folks will say more headroom is better. There is the new SB-12 (typo?) just introduced at the SVS website. http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=39872.0 might be worth considering. Frankly speaking i suggest keeping your current DVDP as blueray and HD DVD is just round the corner. If not go for a cheap upscaling DVD player like a OPPO, Pioneer or Philips or even better the Nachus one that sells at BIG. As for AV amp, usual suspects are the Denons and Yamahas even...of course if you like to try experimenting with digital sound the Panny XR-55 or the latest Panny XR-57 might be worth a shot (need to order thru amazon ship via vpost). Projector wise - IF76 wins hands down in terms of aesthetics. Those that i mentioned are also 720p DLP PJs but might not look as pretty. I think desray just bought a Sharp Z3000 PJ you might want to take a look at his review. Theres always the Sony Ruby hahaha... Screenwise - i really agree w limestone as your room is not v wide...consider maybe even a 80 or 92inch screen to accomodate your speakers, subwoofer placement etc. Also, i noticed that your room length is 5.33m so taking into consideration that you want 3.5m min sitting distance that leaves you with 1.83m for leather recliner and the rear sofa. This is not taking into consideration how you want to mount your rear speakers i.e. wall mount or speaker stands so you might want to think on this also. Got budget 2x OSIM massage chair lagi better ;D Hi Zapp, It will purely be a 5.1 as the size of the 603 are pretty big in size and the room ain't that big. Ok, will re-use as you've suggested and will get the B&W as planned. Will try to get the new svs 12. As for the player, no point waiting lah....it will take a while to stablise and popularise, and worst case die of natural death like the SACD. Will likely settle for Denon A1 XVA(will not buy a scaler anymore) and A11XV. Projector selection i'm quite open. Might want to check out optoma and others. Osim - i've enough of their lousy quality product thus will give it a miss. Will likely buy 2 x Navinci full leather recliner and customise the back sofa in view of the limited space. Actually....it will likely be a place use by my wife and me only. Kids..on the floor. :P Thanks for the comments mate. Hi Limestone, Any suggestion on sound treatment? I've the intention of a carpet in the centre of the room. Are you saying some form of wall treatment?? Show me the way.... ;D
koma Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Any suggestion on sound treatment? I've the intention of a carpet in the centre of the room. Are you saying some form of wall treatment?? Show me the way.... ;D Sparks for acoustic treatment u can approach joamonte or search for some suggestions he has given under one of the thread in mass order for acoustic treatment foam. im sure he will be able to help u ;)
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