desray Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 Just finished my review on Sharp XV-Z3000 DLP Projector. For those interested to find out the improvements over its predecessor, XV-Z2000...Click on the link below to read. ;) Link to my review: http://www.xtremeplace.com/temp/images/z3000/index.htm ;)
Phil1624705739 Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 Hahaha... yo Des... this sounds familiar man. :P Are you going to upgrade to Z4000 just like how you moved on the different series of the Pana AE? ;D I'm on a lookout for upgrade too and its going be 1080 DLP PJ and DD+/DTS-HD processor. There former will be here in Q3 will be much cheaper than the Sony Ruby. Phil
desray Posted May 21, 2006 Author Posted May 21, 2006 Yo Phil...keep us informed of the latest price and model on this "mystery" 1080p Projector...:P
c7221624705751 Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 yea phil can drop some hint ? I really can't think of anything other that the Optoma.... ::)
c7221624705751 Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 btw des u said: "Sharp XV-Z3000 appeared to have 'shorter' throw distance than Sharp XV-Z2000" based on the projection calculator posted in ur review, isn't it the other way round ? i.e. z2k can be as short as 1.17, whereas the z3k at short end is only 1.3. That calculator is based on american market, maybe the Asian z2k was actually much longer than that ?
Jag Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 Hahahaha....... fiddling thumbs..... waiting for 1080p DLP.......waiting for 1 HD format........ waiting for AV amps that support the new HD surrounds....... somehow.... too much toys..... too little time.
pilyo Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 somehow.... too much toys..... too little time. uh, actually for folks like me, the problem is more like "too much toys..... too little budget." :'( btw, regarding a cheaper alternative to ruby, instead of 1080 single chip dlp, how about an sxrd projector that uses a uhp lamp? the xenon gig the ruby uses is just too pricey(!) and the prices on front pj sxrd are bound to keep dropping like in the sxrd rptvs.
Phil1624705739 Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 Hahahaha....... fiddling thumbs..... waiting for 1080p DLP.......waiting for 1 HD format........ waiting for AV amps that support the new HD surrounds....... somehow.... too much toys..... too little time. Yo Jag, where have u been man? Phil
desray Posted May 21, 2006 Author Posted May 21, 2006 btw des u said: "Sharp XV-Z3000 appeared to have 'shorter' throw distance than Sharp XV-Z2000" based on the projection calculator posted in ur review, isn't it the other way round ? i.e. z2k can be as short as 1.17, whereas the z3k at short end is only 1.3. That calculator is based on american market, maybe the Asian z2k was actually much longer than that ? You're right...it should be the other way round... :P
HT102 Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 Great review Des! Thanks! However, I think the Manual Len-Shift function should be classified under "Differences" instead of "Similarities" in the review. The manual verifical lens-shift is a very useful function, more important than horizontal to me as I have a Remaco screen that allow horizontal adjustments.
htfreak Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Des, can share how much of a vertical shift can the Z3000 support. Will be it able to handle a 10 to 15 cm shift downwards from its neutral position.
eggz Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Hi Des, thanks for the great review, the screen shots are very well taken.
desray Posted May 27, 2006 Author Posted May 27, 2006 Des, can share how much of a vertical shift can the Z3000 support. Will be it able to handle a 10 to 15 cm shift downwards from its neutral position. Yes...about 10cm or so Both Up & Down...
oliverlim Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 Yes...about 10cm or so Both Up & Down... Actaully I have been trying to figure out what the lens shift measurement actually means. so when they say 75% lens shift for horizontal, it means that you can put your projector pointing at up to 75% of the screen width away but still shift it to the center if you use the feature to the extreme? In this case it would mean that you are actaully pointing outside the screen sideways? Oliver
desray Posted May 27, 2006 Author Posted May 27, 2006 Actaully I have been trying to figure out what the lens shift measurement actually means. so when they say 75% lens shift for horizontal, it means that you can put your projector pointing at up to 75% of the screen width away but still shift it to the center if you use the feature to the extreme? In this case it would mean that you are actaully pointing outside the screen sideways? Oliver Yes...that's the explanation. Imagine you project an image on the screen - Now you use the Len Shift function to move the image to say 'RIGHT' - the x-axis will literally move the image from the screen itself towards the right side (at this point in time, the image is OUT of the intended screen area)...Using the Screen Right bar as a benchmark. If the image move 3/4 (or 0.75) out of the 'ORIGINAL' projected area...then this is what we termed as 75% of the Len Shift engagement. You already answered to your own queries...I'm just merely consolidating view. :) Enjoy your Hitachi TX200! Bro...
c7221624705751 Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 oliver, lens shift doesn't have a uniform definition. Example a 100% vertical lens shift of PJ A, is a 50% v shift of PJ B. All could just mean one thing: the max u could move the screen is that the PJ lens is either at the top edge of the bottom edge of the projected screen. Although this may not be entirely correct. Some makers mean % as the Xmax - Xmin (so "100%"), but u dun have a reference (i.e. Xmax can be 125% and Xmin can be 25% i.e. u will have a min 25% offset, aka Infocus models). On the other hand, some makers mean % as X - Xcenter (so 50%) u also have a reference. For the Z3k I believe the electronic lens shift is just making use of the 1280x768 chip, not optical. You can place the 720p image anywhere within this 768 lines. Similar to the old famed NEC HT1K where u can place a 16:9 image within the 4:3 chip. For the LCDs the lens shift is mechanical. Also u dun get both limit at the same time. Normally at max h shift limit u will get 0 v shift, and vice versa. btw I dun think for the Hitachi u can PJ outside the image. The 75% probably means the max u can place the lens at the 75% point of the image width. (I had a TX100 before and I dun remember it can PJ outside the image)
oliverlim Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 oliver, lens shift doesn't have a uniform definition. Example a 100% vertical lens shift of PJ A, is a 50% v shift of PJ B. All could just mean one thing: the max u could move the screen is that the PJ lens is either at the top edge of the bottom edge of the projected screen. Although this may not be entirely correct. Some makers mean % as the Xmax - Xmin (so "100%"), but u dun have a reference (i.e. Xmax can be 125% and Xmin can be 25% i.e. u will have a min 25% offset, aka Infocus models). On the other hand, some makers mean % as X - Xcenter (so 50%) u also have a reference. For the Z3k I believe the electronic lens shift is just making use of the 1280x768 chip, not optical. You can place the 720p image anywhere within this 768 lines. Similar to the old famed NEC HT1K where u can place a 16:9 image within the 4:3 chip. For the LCDs the lens shift is mechanical. Also u dun get both limit at the same time. Normally at max h shift limit u will get 0 v shift, and vice versa. btw I dun think for the Hitachi u can PJ outside the image. The 75% probably means the max u can place the lens at the 75% point of the image width. (I had a TX100 before and I dun remember it can PJ outside the image) No wonder, thats why I could not get a straight answer and all the specs I read seems very different. I read 3 reviews on the TX200 and they confirm that the vertical adjustment is +-75% and they said that it can be 1.5 times over or below the screen height can be adjusted back to the center. Again the hitachi specs and the Sharp specs seems to be using different specs. Wish manufacturers use the same measurement so it would be easier for us end users to know for certain. In the meantime I guess adjustable height Projector mounts is needed. Oliver
desray Posted May 28, 2006 Author Posted May 28, 2006 No wonder, thats why I could not get a straight answer and all the specs I read seems very different. I read 3 reviews on the TX200 and they confirm that the vertical adjustment is +-75% and they said that it can be 1.5 times over or below the screen height can be adjusted back to the center. Again the hitachi specs and the Sharp specs seems to be using different specs. Wish manufacturers use the same measurement so it would be easier for us end users to know for certain. In the meantime I guess adjustable height Projector mounts is needed. Oliver Yeap...different manufacturers have different intepretations of Len Shift Function configuration here.
c7221624705751 Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 hi des I read somewhere the Z3k still has some light leakage, but this time is right below the PJ body, is it the same on you ?
desray Posted June 15, 2006 Author Posted June 15, 2006 Yeap! c722...the picture tells it all. If you read my review...I did mention about the "light leakage" still exist abeit not as serious as the predecessor. :( Aiyoh...where you get the picture from...so much movement...hehehe...
c7221624705751 Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 not I took one lah. it's from a link in a HK forum. In that forum ppl said the z3k's red is still too much, but everyone agreed that is "sharp's signature". What do u find its colors compared to the z2k ? actually for me I find the z2k's color is quite pleasing to the eyes, although it may not be "correct". On the other hand, one of the greatest thing abt z2k is its sharp lens. Does the z3k maintain that ? btw abt the other thread. sorry for some blunt words. It just gets irritating when I saw someone who doesn't really know what he's talking abt and started posting pages and pages of "advice", with lines like "for xxx, refer to http:xxxx" which his own link. And after a few forumers politely pointed to him his obvious mistakes he still insisted with the same line "for xxx, refer to his blog". It's so ridiculous. Reminds me of the numerous "experts" arguing silly things in the other forum.
Jason Yeo Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 btw abt the other thread. sorry for some blunt words. It just gets irritating when I saw someone who doesn't really know what he's talking abt and started posting pages and pages of "advice", with lines like "for xxx, refer to http:xxxx" which his own link. And after a few forumers politely pointed to him his obvious mistakes he still insisted with the same line "for xxx, refer to his blog". It's so ridiculous. Reminds me of the numerous "experts" arguing silly things in the other forum. Bro, I already given up, deleted and stop my posts after many doubtfully advises and comments he given + do not wish to debate on what technologies is better,blah blah blah ;D. Just stick to what looks best to my eyes and trust what I want can liao ;D
oliverlim Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 Bro, I already given up, deleted and stop my posts after many doubtfully advises and comments he given + do not wish to debate on what technologies is better,blah blah blah ;D. Just stick to what looks best to my eyes and trust what I want can liao ;D I know how you all feel about this. But I feel that each of us has a part to play to ensure that that all forumers continue to learn. So do try to "correct" any misinformation if you have the time :p Oliver
desray Posted June 16, 2006 Author Posted June 16, 2006 not I took one lah. it's from a link in a HK forum. In that forum ppl said the z3k's red is still too much, but everyone agreed that is "sharp's signature". What do u find its colors compared to the z2k ? actually for me I find the z2k's color is quite pleasing to the eyes, although it may not be "correct". On the other hand, one of the greatest thing abt z2k is its sharp lens. Does the z3k maintain that ? btw abt the other thread. sorry for some blunt words. It just gets irritating when I saw someone who doesn't really know what he's talking abt and started posting pages and pages of "advice", with lines like "for xxx, refer to http:xxxx" which his own link. And after a few forumers politely pointed to him his obvious mistakes he still insisted with the same line "for xxx, refer to his blog". It's so ridiculous. Reminds me of the numerous "experts" arguing silly things in the other forum. Yeap...Sharp's 'sharp' image is its main selling point. Sharp Z3000 followed pretty much the same as Z2000 in all technology respects. I shall not touch on the features again as I have already did in my review. :P Pple will get bored...Hahahaha Anyway...no worries mate. No apologies needed. Like oliverlim mentioned in his last post...this is a forum for all to learn and acquire as much knowledge as possible from one another. You maybe 'good' at certain apsect...but you may 'lack' on others...so I hoped this forum can be a 2-way traffic flow of information. Expert views are of course welcomed all the time...but remember this is a hobbyist forum. Dun touch too much on "technical" terms and jargons while trying to 'convince' one another here...at the end of the day, it doesn't make you a 'guru' by regurgitating whatever others already mentioned on the net. Always stick to your own comments and based on factual grounds. Jag and Jason Yeo are a pair good examples here...they dun just merely "spat out' tecnhy terms but they based their suggestions and comments based on their own past or present experiences with the equipment or technology discussed which makes me respect them alot!!! In fact, that should form the basis for further fruitful discussion. :) That's my own opinion on sharing of expert information here.
c7221624705751 Posted June 17, 2006 Posted June 17, 2006 Pple will get bored no lah .. this is the "official z3k" thread mah! another question: can you select diff color matrix for the HDMI YCbCr input ? i.e. REC709/REC601 ? 709 is for HD and 601 is for SD. also can u see what incoming signal u r getting via the PJ ? i.e. RGB444, YCbCr444, YCbCr422, etc ? For the STH trial, u r getting RGB or YCbCr ? thanx
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