ManYou Posted May 20, 2006 Posted May 20, 2006 Hi all, Have been reading with interest about, by far, the 2 most popular projectors in this forum, if not Singapore ====> The Panasonic AE900 and the Epson TW600. I wanted to see for myself, as well as gather reliable and honest 'expert' reviews, opinions, specs, etc from the World Wide Web, which of these 2 'great' PJs are a better buy. And the following is what I found. (Have to say, some of these surprises me. :) ). Note: I gathered most of these info by doing a google search. Due to time constrain, I only went as far as page 5 of each search. :) I found one detailed 'comparision chart' for those who are considering buying a PJ or for those who just wants some general info. This chart gives you all the general info you will ever need, at a glace, for the more popular models available today. http://3danswers.com/faq/AE900_Z4_TX200_TW600.php These are some of my findings: - One conclusion I drew from my 'brief research' is that almost all the people out there seemed to believe that the best LCD PJs available in the market today are the Panny AE900 & the Sanyo Z4. Forget about 'advertisments and price comparision' sites, the AE900 (together with the Z4) seemed to have the most reviews. The TW600 seemed to have a lot of 'ads' on websites (there's even one on our local HardwareZone forum ! ;D ), but very few reviews. I read about 3 reviews/comments that named the AE900 the "best LCD projector around" etc, but none for the TW600. - One thing that I noticed many 'experts' and users commented on is that the AE900 don't have any Screen Door Effects (SDE) ! It seemed to be the only LCD Pj that have received the most positive comments of this nature. - According to the chart I mentioned earlier, the TW600's has only 1700 lamp hours, as compared to the rest which has 2000 lamp hours ! This is equivalent to watching 150 movies less than the rest ! :( - The TW600 has one of the highest noise (26db) compared to the rest, while the AE900 (22db) has the lowest (together with the Sanyo Z4). - The max Resolution of the AE900 is 1920 x 1080 Pixels, while the TW600 is at 1280 x 1024 Pixels. - According to the chart, the AE900 uses the less power consumption (130W), while the TW600 (170W) has the 2nd highest. = Higher electricity bill. ;D - The TW600 has a higher lumens (1600) but only in 'dynamic' mode, which cuts its lamp life from 3000hrs to 1700hrs. Anyway, this is irrelevant anyway since lumens should not be a factor in choosing a HOME theater PJ. Just look at the 'high-end' PJs like these: http://www.projectorusa.com/cart/products.aspx?pid=5231 = 800 lumens. http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/i...p?topic=39254.0 = 700 lumens. - One area where the TW600 triumph over the AE900 is in the looks dept. To me, the TW600 looks much better than the AE900 (think most of you will agree on this too), with its 'aero-dynamic' design. Sadly, Panasonic PJs (and most other PJ manufacturers) are never known for its good looks. ;) - The AE900 has a 2X zoom while the TW600 has a 1.5X zoom. Critical if you want flexibility in PJ placement and have a short screen-to-PJ distance, not so if you have a big room or require a small screen. :P Lastly, the following 2 points may or may not be relevant, but thought I'll just list it here anyway. 1) In the first 5 pages of my Google search for each, the TW600 has about 20% (10/50) results in a 'foreign' language, while the AE900 has NONE ! 2) In my Google search under "Panasonic AE900" and "Epson TW600", there are a few results that came out with both these models, and in everyone of them, the AE900 is always mentioned/placed in front of the TW600 ! Coincidence... ? Overall, in my opinion, the Panny AE900 is a better PJ than the Epson's TW600 (both from this little research and having auditioned both these great PJs). If we are not too particular about the exterior look of a PJ, the AE900 fares better than the TW600 in the categories of: - Resolution, - Lamp life, - Noise level, - Zoom, - Power consumption. If anyone has any other inputs or opinions, please add any comments here about these 2 PJs so that fellow forumers can have some reference/guide if they are looking to get a PJ, instead of searching all over X'tremePlace forums looking for bits and pieces of info regarding these 2 PJs. :) K, sign out for now. :) Note: The above is just my personal comments and should be read at face value. Please do your own research/reading if you are not sure about anything. Please do not quote any of my comments here, I will not be responsible for any wrong purchases. heh... :P
HT-BKK Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 "...which of these 2 'great' PJs are a better buy." I'm trying to figure that out, too! ??? Thanks for all that info and comments. I have pages of notes, links and info on these and the Sanyo Z-4. I always shop in great detail before buying! :-\ (Z4 would need to be purchased in the US, but it is still a contender for me.) I'll share a bit from my notes to self. Like you, disclaimer applies; even though I try to base my opinions on fact , YMMV! (But actually, none of these would be a bad choice!) Since 2002 Panasonic (ae-200) and Sanyo (Z-1) have been in a battle for the best affordable HT PJ. Seems the customers hardly let anyone else into the game! Reviewers follow the most popular units. I used to think they looked for the best! Epson makes most LCD panels, including the ones in the new Sanyo's and Panny's -all three use the D5 series .7" 1280 x 720 LCD panel. Epson won the battle for best in 2003 with the tw-100, but the price was double those above, so it didn't count. :-\ Last years Epson's did very well in HT picture quality again, but again more expensive than the famous two. (Sony also has great quality, but price even higher!) This year Epson chose to make specialty HT PJ for pro installer market in the US. ~ the Pro 800 (Double the price of the Sanyo and Pannies above.) The rest of the world gets the TW-600 which is a clone in white! The strategy means the <Under $3500> group at AVS never even talk about it except to say Epson is bad for 'price fixing' the pro 800 at $4000! So everyone says 'no good' when they mean to say 'too expensive!' Here we are so lucky can get ae-900 and tw-600 about the same cost. Tw-600 has higher quality parts, including much brighter lamp! (The next Epson (1080) will use the same tw-600/800 lense -it's so good! ) tw-600 costs more everywhere else but Japan and SG. If we think like which gets more reviews and comments is best, we might miss the best deals! ;D I saw both of these auditioned yesterday in 2 dark HT showrooms, 2 hours apart. Both are beautiful, but I think the Pixelworks chip in the TW-600 gives a cleaner picture than the Panny chip in the AE-900 when watching DVDs. The ae-900 pixel thing (Smooth Screen) means you can sit as close as 1x width back from the screen and not see the pixel grid or lines. This could be important depending on room size. I cannot sit 8' from any 100" screen, too close to follow the action! PJ Central says of the Panny ae-900, "sitting closer than 1.5x the screen width will make compression artifacts and the digital structure of the image more visible." I saw this noise in the picture when watching DVDs (480p). The tw-600 and the other 720 PJs have a very faint pixel grid visible until 1.5x back- some people say 2x back. The pixels are so tiny on a 100" screen that it is no problem at all! The pixels look about the same on my 25" panasonic crt TV from 1.5x-2x back! The calibrated lumens for a dark room HT is usually 250-500, even on the tw-600. During the day or with some lights on, 800 lumens is not enough to be watchable (My current PJ!) and 1,100 (ae-900) just barely ok. (The salesman turned on some indirect lighting and the beautiful ae-900 picture nearly disappeared!) I didn't ask him to try a brighter mode. The Epson tw-600 (1,600 lumens) in 'living room' mode actually made me squint my eyes, and 'dynamic' is even brighter! The colors were intense! The bulb won't last as long, but it's only for parties or daytime sports if needed. (Can also light up a 134" grey screen like at the BKK HT Show in March, no problem!) about zoom- TW-600 throws 100" diagonal image from a distance of 9.9 to 14.8 feet. ae-900 and Z4 throw 100" diagonal image anywhere between 10 and 20 feet throw distance. Bulb life? I think it is like rolling dice! My first bulb lasted 900 hours (Sanyo Z-1) and many ae-700 Panny owners had big problems, too. Some people get 3000 or more hours! Epson has a better bulb record and good service, but the bulbs cost more. A quote from AVS forum says bulb life specs means half are dead and half are not at x,000 hours! I agree! Putting $1 in a jar for every movie we watch will cover bulb cost! ;D Try comparing the tw-550 like projector central did; the tw-600 wasn't available yet last December when many competing reviews were written. It is close in many ways, but more SDE due to D4 lcd panel. BTW-Hitachi 200 is also called hdpj52. http://www.projectorcentral.com/hitachi_ultravision_hdpj52.htm and http://www.projectorcentral.com/epson_cinema_550.htm I think your thread will help people decide, but in the end it's which one looks best to you!! ;D Thanks for reading. :P Joe
relakbro Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 - The AE900 has a 2X zoom while the TW600 has a 1.5X zoom. Critical if you want flexibility in PJ placement and have a short screen-to-PJ distance, not so if you have a big room or require a small screen. :P Maybe I read your post wrongly, but I think it should be opposite: With the longer zoom, the AE900 & Z4 can project the same image size from further back, so they are more applicable to people with big rooms (and will need to set the projector further back from the screen).
X-Men Posted May 21, 2006 Posted May 21, 2006 Hi all, Interesting thread, think the info here will helps many fellow forumers. Here's a few of my observations to share with everyone. NO offence intended to anyone. :) : (Z4 would need to be purchased in the US, but it is still a contender for me.) It's available here already. Saw an ad launching it in the Straits Times' Digital Life section last week. Epson makes most LCD panels, including the ones in the new Sanyo's and Panny's Yes, but doesn't means it's better on the TW600 over the Z4 & AE900 since they are all using the SAME LCD panels. At the end of the day, it's HOW you make use of these panels in the whole design of the PJ that matters. :) Tw-600 has higher quality parts, including much brighter lamp! ermm.. $HT-BKK, you want to be sued by Panasonic, Sanyo and the rest, issit? ;D ;D (Just kiddin') Any facts/websites to prove this? Epson has a better bulb record and good service, but the bulbs cost more You mentioned somewhere else in your post that lamp life is like 'throwing a dice', so how come 'Epson has a better bulb record'? I'm curious, any documented material on this? ??? The pixels are so tiny on a 100" screen that it is no problem at all! The pixels look about the same on my 25" panasonic crt TV from 1.5x-2x back! Same pixelation for PJ with 100" screen vs 25" CRT TV?? Ehh, not possible lah, unless you are like me, have about 150+ degrees short-sightedness but refused to wear glasses. ;D PJ Central says of the Panny ae-900, "sitting closer than 1.5x the screen width will make compression artifacts and the digital structure of the image more visible." I read this review, and quoting just one part of it could be misleading. From the same review, the reviewer also said: "You will find that the AE900 shines in color accuracy, color saturation, and a smooth, filmlike image that is totally lacking in pixelation." Maybe I read your post wrongly, but I think it should be opposite: With the longer zoom, the AE900 & Z4 can project the same image size from further back, so they are more applicable to people with big rooms (and will need to set the projector further back from the screen). There is a common mix-up between the Zoom and Throw Ratio/Distance in a PJ's specs. The higher the Zoom specs means a PJ have a wider min/max set-up distance for a specific screen size. It's different from the throw distance/ratio of a PJ. Example: For a 100" screen, one PJ may have the min/max setup distance as 10" - 20". This relates to the Zoom specs. For the same size screen, another projector may need only 8" min but can only go up 12" max. This relates to the Throw Distance/Ratio. Essentially, it's possible for a particular PJ to have a higher Zoom, but a 'higher' (further) Throw Distance/Ratio than another PJ. In regards to this thread, these are the specs for the PJs in question (taken from ProjectorCentral.com): AE900: Throw Dist (feet) : 8.0 - 40.6 Image Size (inches) : 40.0 - 400.0 TW600: Throw Dist (feet) : 8.9 - 24.9 Image Size (inches) : 60.0 - 300.0 In layman's terms, IF these specs are correct, it means the AE900 needs a shorter distance (Throw Distance/Ratio) to project a particular size screen as well as can be placed further away (Zoom) then the TW600. In this aspect, the Panny clearly has the advantage.
ManYou Posted May 22, 2006 Author Posted May 22, 2006 Hi all, Thanks $HT-BKK and X-Men for your inputs. One more point to add : The max display Resolution of the: AE900 : 1920 x 1080 Pixels TW600 : 1280 x 1024 Pixels. Found the above info here: http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic_Home-PT-AE900U.htm http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-EMP-TW600.htm During the day or with some lights on, 800 lumens is not enough to be watchable (My current PJ!) Haiz... I wanted to give you a Sony Ruby or the Marantz VP-11S1 for your birthday (both 1080p PJs) , but they are 'only' 800 & 600 lumens respectively, so you probably don't want it... keke... :P But seriously, I'm SURE both Sony and Marantz are capable of producing much higher lumens to their top-of-the-line PJs, just look at Sony's range of presentation/commercial PJs, some goes as high as 2000-3000 lumens, at a fraction of the cost of the Ruby ! Ask yourself, why are they not reproducing them on their Ruby? ;) Bulb life? I think it is like rolling dice! My first bulb lasted 900 hours (Sanyo Z-1) and many ae-700 Panny owners had big problems, too. Some people get 3000 or more hours! Well, if that's the case, and it's difficult to 'prove' the lamp life of a PJ, why didn't Epson just put the TW600 lamp life's specs as 2000 hrs like the rest? or even better, 3000 hrs? Like you said, it 'can't' be proven and like 'rolling dice' anyway. Because of the high cost of replacement lamps, lamp life is an important consideration for many buyers when choosing a PJ, and I'm sure those Epson marketing people are not dumb... if they can put 2000, or even 3000 hrs, down on their TW600 specs sheet, why wouldn't they? Why would they want to have the PJ with the shortest lamp life on their specs sheet (??). I think there is either an industrial way of measuring lamp life that most of us don't know about, or they are afraid of 'misrepresentation' and being sued by their competitors if they give 'false' specs. :) Both the following respectable sites support these specs, so there must be some truth in it. :) http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-EMP-TW600.htm http://3danswers.com/faq/AE900_Z4_TX200_TW600.php
brianforever Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 ManYou, the epson and panny native is 1280 x 720p only so means any resolution input after resizing all will be the same , no more no less . As you mentioned, higher lumens is for data pj . Higher lumens will most likely wash out the black level unless you have very very big and low gain screen + cannot light controlled the environment, then you may want the high lumens to compromise the PQ. Most of us will like a lower lumens with higher contrast pj in most of our case when watching movies. Not Necessarily so that All bright PJ is only for Data. A Bright Home theatre PJ with Dynamic Iris is an Advantage!! PJ With Dynamic Iris, is controlled by a CPU Video Eye which senses the Brightness or Darkness of the Film source, giving your PJ varying lumens, With the TW600 it varies from as high as 1600 to as low as 400 Lumens to be precise, So as to give your Film Day scenes, look more realistically like Day(as bright as 1600 lumens) & Night scenes look more realistically like Nights(as low as 400 lumens) without the overexposure Constantly Bright PJ gives out, without a Dynamic Iris. Even if they are exceptionally low lumens e.g a constant 1000 lumens Home theatre PJ which would be even more Overexposed(Nights mostly look like Day) than a Brighter 1600 lumens PJ with A Dynamic Iris. The max display Resolution of the: AE900 : 1920 x 1080 Pixels TW600 : 1280 x 1024 Pixels. Sorry Dude, 1080p LCD PJs will only be launched maybe end of 2006 :) AE900 & TW600 share the same resolutions & are only 720p Native
ManYou Posted May 22, 2006 Author Posted May 22, 2006 Sorry Dude, 1080p LCD PJs will only be launched maybe end of 2006 AE900 & TW600 share the same resolutions & are only 720p Native No apology needed.... dude. :P I just copied and pasted from projectorcentral. ;) You mean the AE900 specs listed on their site are not accurate? It can't do 1920 x 1080 in any format or connection?
HT-BKK Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 Hello all! great thread taking shape, glad to be part of it! ;D Not much time to post during the week though. Haiz... I wanted to give you a Sony Ruby or the Marantz VP-11S1 for your birthday (both 1080p PJs) , but they are 'only' 800 & 600 lumens respectively, so you probably don't want it... keke... LOL! :P Happy Birthday to me!? ;D I'll take the marantz; my dream PJ...then sell it and get all new HT system with a projector I can watch while eating dinner! ;D (I want the low lumens AND the power to crank up the brightness sometimes. I know the total color accuracy suffers, but some PJs look amazing with some lighting. I will watch in the dark after clearing the dinner away. This is why popcorn is for movies; can eat in total darkness and easy to clean up when miss da mouth! :D BTW- I get my info like most others...Google it! ;) If it's on the WWW it has to be true! :-\ (heh, heh...) The epson 1080 PJ lense info came from 'Frank456' over at AVS forum. He is a projector tech that often travels to Japan for training. Also BTW- A dealer from dealer the Proj Central 'see prices' link said the Z5 with 1080 lines will be out in October... :-X It's the marketing people again! Yes these PJ can show a picture from 1080 lines source, but can only do so using the 720 lines since that is all that is in the 720 LCD panels (native resolution). This is where we need to get info on the scaler (chip in the PJ) quality. The scaler lets you watch the 480 line DVDs on the 720 also. That is why I quoted the review and my experience about seeing noise and 'digital structure' on the ae-900 when watching normal DVDs. I think the tw-600 had less noise in the picture, different source and movie. The noise I mean looks like some fuzzy or blocky parts. (remember vcd movies?) ' Ants' in the solid areas is another kind of noise to watch out for. (technical term ya know...) :) Remember a lot of noise comes from the DVD and some from the DVD player, so we gotta try to compare same-same. :P Gotta go! Great comments here! :)
htfreak Posted May 23, 2006 Posted May 23, 2006 Not Necessarily so that All bright PJ is only for Data. A Bright Home theatre PJ with Dynamic Iris is an Advantage!! PJ With Dynamic Iris, is controlled by a CPU Video Eye which senses the Brightness or Darkness of the Film source, giving your PJ varying lumens, With the TW600 it varies from as high as 1600 to as low as 400 Lumens to be precise, So as to give your Film Day scenes, look more realistically like Day(as bright as 1600 lumens) & Night scenes look more realistically like Nights(as low as 400 lumens) without the overexposure Constantly Bright PJ gives out, without a Dynamic Iris. Even if they are exceptionally low lumens e.g a constant 1000 lumens Home theatre PJ which would be even more Overexposed(Nights mostly look like Day) than a Brighter 1600 lumens PJ with A Dynamic Iris. Sorry Dude, 1080p LCD PJs will only be launched maybe end of 2006 :) AE900 & TW600 share the same resolutions & are only 720p Native Glad that some representative from Epson is taking part in this discussion. Since we are on this topic, could you confirm if the D4 and HD-15 connectors on the TW600 is able to accept component signals. This is crucial as I'm currently sourcing for a pj that can accept at least two component inputs and currently none of the current LCD models have this feature. If this is indeed supportable, it should not be a problem to get hold of D4 to component and VGA to component cables. Hope to hear your input on this.
ManYou Posted May 23, 2006 Author Posted May 23, 2006 This is crucial as I'm currently sourcing for a pj that can accept at least two component inputs and currently none of the current LCD models have this feature. The Z4 has 2 component inputs. :)
htfreak Posted May 23, 2006 Posted May 23, 2006 Heheh.. to me the Z4 does not even exist in my vocab due to its OUT OF THIS WORLD pricing. ;)
oliverlim Posted May 23, 2006 Posted May 23, 2006 Heheh.. to me the Z4 does not even exist in my vocab due to its OUT OF THIS WORLD pricing. ;) Check with Millenium Home at funan Center. They carry this projector and although it is still priced more then the AE900, it does close the gap somewhat.... Oliver
brianforever Posted May 23, 2006 Posted May 23, 2006 Glad that some representative from Epson is taking part in this discussion. Since we are on this topic, could you confirm if the D4 and HD-15 connectors on the TW600 is able to accept component signals. This is crucial as I'm currently sourcing for a pj that can accept at least two component inputs and currently none of the current LCD models have this feature. If this is indeed supportable, it should not be a problem to get hold of D4 to component and VGA to component cables. Hope to hear your input on this. Yes Both D4 & VGA connectors can be converted to Component easily & are compatible. But I think purchasing a component switcher is a better solution :)
htfreak Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Check with Millenium Home at funan Center. They carry this projector and although it is still priced more then the AE900, it does close the gap somewhat.... Oliver Checked already. The price diff between Z4 and AE900 is enough to pay for my HD-DVD player liao. If Between Z4 and TW600, still can add in a few more HD discs on top of the HD-DVD player. ;D
oliverlim Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Checked already. The price diff between Z4 and AE900 is enough to pay for my HD-DVD player liao. If Between Z4 and TW600, still can add in a few more HD discs on top of the HD-DVD player. ;D Yupe. Thats why I went with the Hitachi TX200 instead. But have to say the Z4 automatic Lens cover is cool. Oliver
howk798 Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Yupe. Thats why I went with the Hitachi TX200 instead. But have to say the Z4 automatic Lens cover is cool. Oliver You mean you have got the Hitachi TX200 already? from Mediaplex? Thanks
ManYou Posted May 25, 2006 Author Posted May 25, 2006 Went down to Millennium over the weekend. They indeed have the Z4 on demo. it has its own characteristics, but overall, the PQ was excellent. Comparable with any of the other LCD PJs like AE900, TX-200, TW600 etc. What I meant is some will find the Z4 better, while others will find it on par, yet others will find it 'less appealing' then the others. The 2 component inputs may be useful and appealing to some of you with specific applications. The Auto Lens Door is also another feature that is, to me, extremely useful. Have any of you PJ owners noticed the amount of dust that's gathered on your PJ's lens? Just look at the lens from an angle when the PJ is ON, it's SUPER obvious. This ALD thingy will probably reduce the need to clean your lens every so often. And yes, oliverlim, it does looks cool :) I did ask the salesman about the high price of the Z4, he said that unlike the rest of the PJ he's selling, the price of the Z4 is FIXED by the agent, Sanyo. ===> meaning it'll be the same price everywhere. Nothing much anyone can do. :( PS: If you really want to get the Z4, Millennium does have a 'special package price' for you. The salesguy explained to me but I'm not in liberty to reveal it here. :D
kzone Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Nothing aganist millenium, I bought some items fm them too.. its just dont fancy shops who focuses too much on "special package price". Asked abt the price of some individual speakers there and was quoted some astronomical prices but was told.. "we can give u a special package price if u get the whole set". 10% diff is fine, but if the diff in 30-50% its really a turn off...
htfreak Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Went down to Millennium over the weekend. They indeed have the Z4 on demo. it has its own characteristics, but overall, the PQ was excellent. Comparable with any of the other LCD PJs like AE900, TX-200, TW600 etc. What I meant is some will find the Z4 better, while others will find it on par, yet others will find it 'less appealing' then the others. The 2 component inputs may be useful and appealing to some of you with specific applications. The Auto Lens Door is also another feature that is, to me, extremely useful. Have any of you PJ owners noticed the amount of dust that's gathered on your PJ's lens? Just look at the lens from an angle when the PJ is ON, it's SUPER obvious. This ALD thingy will probably reduce the need to clean your lens every so often. And yes, oliverlim, it does looks cool :) I did ask the salesman about the high price of the Z4, he said that unlike the rest of the PJ he's selling, the price of the Z4 is FIXED by the agent, Sanyo. ===> meaning it'll be the same price everywhere. Nothing much anyone can do. :( PS: If you really want to get the Z4, Millennium does have a 'special package price' for you. The salesguy explained to me but I'm not in liberty to reveal it here. :D Is your special package price only for the projector or do you have to get other things as well?
Jedi1624705820 Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Nothing aganist millenium, I bought some items fm them too.. its just dont fancy shops who focuses too much on "special package price". Asked abt the price of some individual speakers there and was quoted some astronomical prices but was told.. "we can give u a special package price if u get the whole set". 10% diff is fine, but if the diff in 30-50% its really a turn off... I disagree. I got some stuff from them as well. When I bought my BetterCables HDMI cables from them, I asked if they can give me a higher discount if I buy the sub and component cables as well. They told me they can't, can only absorb the 5% GST. I think you got it mistaken lah, kzone. I also auditioned the speakers (pretty good for the price) and they told me they are having a promotion for the 7.1 HT speaker setup, about 30%-40% off retail price. Doesn't mean if you buy individual speakers, you won't get any discount. When I bought my AE900 from them, they showed me the RRP for the Panny, S$3,599. Yes, S$ 3,599 !!. They were offering it at $2,599 (about 30% off retail) then if you just 'cash-and-carry'. But if you buy together with the HT system, they can let me have it at $2,5K. Anyway, I'hv been to the other 'famous' shops at Adelphi, they all also offer HT packages that have similiarhigher discount if you buy the whole package, nothing new. It's a very competitive world out there, and shops have to fight for our business. Ultimately, it's us, the buyers, who gain from all this discounts. ;D I personally prefer Millennium over some of the shops at Adelphi, as they have (to me anyway) friendly staff and the environment is much better and condusive. To each his own, I guess. :)
kzone Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Jedi, Yeah, perhaps the price he 1st quoted me was the RRP & I didnt pursue further cos I dont intend to get it anyway. After that, I talked to the boss and bought some other things at really gd prices... fantastic after sales service as well! How's ur better cable HDMI? Did u manage to compare it with other cables like Monoprice & supra in the same system?
ManYou Posted May 25, 2006 Author Posted May 25, 2006 Posted by: jeffong Is your special package price only for the projector or do you have to get other things as well? Nope, you don't have to buy anything else. That's why I put " " in the special package price. ;D Aarrgghh... how am I gonna explain this.. Ok,. let's hope I remember what they told me correctly. Millennium is one of only 2-3 authorised dealer of the Z4 in Singapore. But they, like the rest of the dealers, can only sell it at $3.699 (fixed by Sanyo). If sell at other price, they could be "punished" by Sanyo. ;D So basically, on their invoice, they can't show the Z4 being sold at any other price other then $3,699. But like they say (in hokkien), "things are dead one, humans are alive, can modify one...". Ermm.. are you getting what I am trying to say.. ? ;D ???
htfreak Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 Okay lah.. then can just say SPECIAL PRICE. The word "package" very misleading mah as it could mean a bundle of items. ;D
oliverlim Posted May 25, 2006 Posted May 25, 2006 You mean you have got the Hitachi TX200 already? from Mediaplex? Thanks I got it from Millenium. He gave me a good price. I think the Millenium Home staff are all very polite and give very good advise. He is one of the 2 dealers for the Z4 and he also never pressure me to buy it and was willing to source for me the hitachi. Again for the Z4 many other users in other countries also face this stiff price so it seems like it more the fault of Sanyo then him. He probably needs to protect his rice bowl or sanyo will pull off his dealership. So cant blame him. He just have to be "specially creative" :p The Z4 after the package price will still be much higher then the TW600,TX200 or AE900. So you have to decide if the PQ,extra component input and automatic Lens cover is worth that extra bit for you. Ya the Lens shift of the Z4 is also one of the best(widest adjustments) But I agree it is still hard to justify the price difference. At the end of the day between the 4 or 5 D5 LCD projectors if you add sony, it will be more down to personal perference & $$$. But I have to say the Blacks on the Sony HS60 is still better then the other 4. Though it seems that Avbuzz and cine4home reviews say that the TX200 is the best among the 5 for blacks. So far had not have the chance to view the TW600 though. Oliver
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