Disturbing animal cruelty out of China

[valvelover]

Please use caution when viewing this image - it is truly horrifying.

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How moralistic people can allow this sort of horror to happen is beyond me. I did not watch all of this video, I got to a point where I was simply too upset to watch anymore. I intend to write a letter of complaint to the Chinese embassy and I urge others to do the same. This is completely unacceptable in a responsible society.

Dave

Edited October 4, 2011 by valvelover

[Catostylus]

I'm not even going to begin to watch it. I just couldn't.

[rantan]

I don't know if it is just my computer but there was nothing for me to watch. Is there a link somewhere?

[emesbee]

I can't bring myself to watch that video. I once saw a documentary about seal hunting. The camera suddenly focussed on what appeared to be a pile of discarded offal, and then it moved its head. It was a seal that had just been skinned alive. It was horrifying.

[comfortablynumb]

I managed to watch half of it....just.

To be honest, I feel writing a letter to the Chinese embassy to be a complete waste of time and effort. They are most likely to laugh and throw it away.

Perhaps if it could be discovered where these furs are sold to the public., one could picket the store front with a dirty great big screen T.V. and let their potential customers watch what happens. It would be nice if they are sold in a Western country.

[firefly0071]

THIS IS TERRIBLE!

I am not a vegetarian - but skinning alive? HOW MUCH PAIN SHOULD ANY ANIMAL ENDURE?

[ochremoon]

The only way you will get the Chinese government to act on this and all the other abhorrent things that are allowed to occur (including to their own people if they choose to disagree with the party doctrine) is to cease trade with them. That won't happen of course, because ultimately making a buck overrides any ethical or moral objections, every time. You only need to look at our own live export trade and how that issue was dealt with to see the stunning hypocrisy of our own government and society.

[Guest Willow]

Before we all start pointing fingers it should be noted the Raccoon dogs are skinned to satisfy the insatiable desire for cheap Ugg Boots , the " must have " fashion

accessory at present in western society.

One would assume this will be an ugly practice to easily stamp out.

[ochremoon]

I saw a video like this a couple of years ago where it was puppies being skinned alive. What fashion accessory were these used in, I wonder, and how many Australians are unwittingly wearing the puppy fur?

Edited October 4, 2011 by ochremoon
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[JA]

How moralistic people can allow this sort of horror to happen is beyond me. .............. This is completely unacceptable in a responsible society.

I agree. It is one of the many horrible things born from the quest for money and lack of respect for life. It and many other things shouldn't be allowed.

Best

JA

Edited October 4, 2011 by JA

[amey01]

Donate to a charity - they have far more power to enact change than we do. The RSPCA and WSPA are good ones with which to start.

[AudioAddiction]

It is truly disturbing to witness footage like this. I just couldn't too much of it.

However it is sad to say that many of these films have been staged to generate revenue for activist groups. In particular from the video shown:

"It is nonsensical to suggest that skinning an animal alive is normal practice since even this film of inhumane behavior proves this process to be difficult and dangerous, and furthermore the pulse of the living animal would cause extensive bleeding and damage to the fur. It is therefore highly likely that these scenes were staged. The fur industry in Europe requested the original unedited footage from the Swiss animal rights group and was refused. The China Fur Commission and China Leather Industry Association challenged the authenticity of the material, saying: "Pictures showing animals being skinned alive are obviously plotted. All those with common sense would not choose this slaughter method to attain fur." The government of Suning County, Hebei Province also issued a statement outlining welfare practices on its fur farms, calling the alleged practice of skinning animals alive "unimaginable", and urging Swiss Animal Protection Organization to "respect the truth"."

There are always two sides to these stories. Unfortunately it seems to be that innocent animals are the ones paying the price.

[danter]

Have to say while watching I was wondering what possible benefit there was in keeping the animal alive while skinning. Logic would dictate that this would be more dangerous for the person doing the skinning, possibly slower to do and not offer any real end benefit. The 'staging' argument holds credibility.

[emesbee]

There is a Paul McCartney DVD that I would advise caution before viewing. It appears to be a fundraiser for PETA (I forget the title). I borrowed it from my local library, and wasn't prepared for what it contained. The concert performance takes about half of the playing time, but the rest of it consists of videos showing various scenes of animal mistreatment and cruelty. I would advise not letting your children see this DVD.

[emesbee]

Have to say while watching I was wondering what possible benefit there was in keeping the animal alive while skinning. Logic would dictate that this would be more dangerous for the person doing the skinning, possibly slower to do and not offer any real end benefit. The 'staging' argument holds credibility.

There is probably no benefit at all. The people doing this simply don't care about the suffering they cause.

[danter]

There is probably no benefit at all. The people doing this simply don't care about the suffering they cause.

They obviously don't care - my point being that it would make more sense to kill the animal first. Hence my thoughts regarding staging the video.

[NT3]

Seems like another staged animal activist setup. Cannot see any reason why anyone in the fur trade would skin animals alive. If nothing else it would be more than awkward to skin a writhing live animal than a dead one.

[hybridfiat]

It is truly disturbing to witness footage like this. I just couldn't too much of it.

However it is sad to say that many of these films have been staged to generate revenue for activist groups. In particular from the video shown:

" Id like to think that this is closer to the truth. I spent a great many years hunting and skining animals (mostly foxes and roos) and I can say that to even try to skin a live animal when it would be easy as pie to stun or kill them would be an act of monumental stupidity not to mention cruelty.

Edited October 5, 2011 by hybridfiat

[valvelover]

The only way you will get the Chinese government to act on this and all the other abhorrent things that are allowed to occur (including to their own people if they choose to disagree with the party doctrine) is to cease trade with them. That won't happen of course, because ultimately making a buck overrides any ethical or moral objections, every time. You only need to look at our own live export trade and how that issue was dealt with to see the stunning hypocrisy of our own government and society.

Sadly, you are correct. It is one of the reasons why I have no respect for our "politicians".

I managed to watch half of it....just.

To be honest, I feel writing a letter to the Chinese embassy to be a complete waste of time and effort. They are most likely to laugh and throw it away.

Perhaps if it could be discovered where these furs are sold to the public., one could picket the store front with a dirty great big screen T.V. and let their potential customers watch what happens. It would be nice if they are sold in a Western country.

I got about a third of the way through before I felt like vomiting. I did not sleep well last night. If our government had any balls, they would expel all members of the Chinese embassy to let them know that this type of behaviour is not acceptable in a civilised society. As to protesting the retailer shops, that would not work - the protestors would simply be arrested by the police. We do not live in a free society, but one built on power and money and corruption.

Before we all start pointing fingers it should be noted the Raccoon dogs are skinned to satisfy the insatiable desire for cheap Ugg Boots , the " must have " fashion

accessory at present in western society.

One would assume this will be an ugly practice to easily stamp out.

The simple answer would be to ban all fur products coming out of China into Australia, whilst leaving other products alone since they are not directly involved in animal cruelty.

I agree. It is one of the many horrible things born from the quest for money and lack of respect for life. It and many other things shouldn't be allowed.

Best

JA

Spot on JA. Money should never be more important than life, any life, not just human life.

Donate to a charity - they have far more power to enact change than we do. The RSPCA and WSPA are good ones with which to start.

I already donate to the RSPCA. I tend to adopt rescues from them as well (pet rats).

It is truly disturbing to witness footage like this. I just couldn't too much of it.

However it is sad to say that many of these films have been staged to generate revenue for activist groups. In particular from the video shown:

"It is nonsensical to suggest that skinning an animal alive is normal practice since even this film of inhumane behavior proves this process to be difficult and dangerous, and furthermore the pulse of the living animal would cause extensive bleeding and damage to the fur. It is therefore highly likely that these scenes were staged. The fur industry in Europe requested the original unedited footage from the Swiss animal rights group and was refused. The China Fur Commission and China Leather Industry Association challenged the authenticity of the material, saying: "Pictures showing animals being skinned alive are obviously plotted. All those with common sense would not choose this slaughter method to attain fur." The government of Suning County, Hebei Province also issued a statement outlining welfare practices on its fur farms, calling the alleged practice of skinning animals alive "unimaginable", and urging Swiss Animal Protection Organization to "respect the truth"."

There are always two sides to these stories. Unfortunately it seems to be that innocent animals are the ones paying the price.

I wouldn't believe those "organisations" if you paid me. They are in it for one thing and one thing only - profit.

It is truly disturbing to witness footage like this. I just couldn't too much of it.

However it is sad to say that many of these films have been staged to generate revenue for activist groups. In particular from the video shown:

" Id like to think that this is closer to the truth. I spent a great many years hunting and skining animals (mostly foxes and roos) and I can say that to even try to skin a live animal when it would be easy as pie to stun or kill them would be an act of monumental stupidity not to mention cruelty.

The beginning of the video shows the animals being clubbed before initial skinning takes place. Blood washes out [of fur] too I think you'll find. I also strongly suspect that the animal goes into shock and that probably accounts for it's relatively docility whilst being skinned.

Given the cost of humanely euthanasing animals, and the intent of maximum profit, I highly doubt that these types of bare bones outfits would do the right thing.

Lots of things happen in China, and get covered up by the government. Anyone remember Tianamen square? Oh, and western governments stood by and did jack sweet all about that one too.

Dave

[sjay]

i cant watch that video for more than 10 seconds because i cant bare to see an animal suffer.

if you really feel strongly about this, please give generously to the RSPCA as they really do care about doing the right thing when it comes to animal rights.....and they have the clout locally and politically to do damage to them with their connections if they get the proof and have the funds to fight.....

BTW: China as we all know has a terrible record of human rights abuse so how any of us could think they would treat an animal any better is fooling themselves IMVHO....sorry but its true.