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What is your opinion of system matching?

 

one 'brighter' component can be balanced with a warmer component to achieve a more balance presentation.

 

However this could be an unrealistic generalisation, because two wrongs do not make a right!

 

What is your opinion on the fine art of component matching?

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What is your opinion of system matching?

 

one 'brighter' component can be balanced with a warmer component to achieve a more balance presentation.

 

However this could be an unrealistic generalisation, because two wrongs do not make a right!

 

What is your opinion on the fine art of component matching?

 

A very challenging question. Here's my 2 cents. We often make a mistake of judging a component as bright, dull, boomy etc too quickly quite often because it's due to less than ideal set-up eg speaker placement etc..... So I would say take care to set up the equipment first before judging the sound and taking countermeasures. There are tweaks such as cones and stuff that you can try to fine tune the sound, some will or some won't , a lot of it depends on your personal preference.

Regarding smooth vs bright sound remember to listen for the dynamics. A lot of equipment that sound smooth are not that dynamic as their slightly bright counterparts. ;D

Most important of all Enjoy the Music ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A very challenging question. Here's my 2 cents. We often make a mistake of judging a component as bright, dull, boomy etc too quickly quite often because it's due to less than ideal set-up eg speaker placement etc..... So I would say take care to set up the equipment first before judging the sound and taking countermeasures. There are tweaks such as cones and stuff that you can try to fine tune the sound, some will or some won't , a lot of it depends on your personal preference.

Regarding smooth vs bright sound remember to listen for the dynamics. A lot of equipment that sound smooth are not that dynamic as their slightly bright counterparts. ;D

Most important of all Enjoy the Music ;)

 

wah....really good say.... :D

 

BTW(! ;D)...i dont really understand why sound "bright" or sound "warm" could be "wrong".....even different concert hall sometime can make a same instrument sound 'brighter' or 'warmer' from our pass experence.... :)

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wah....really good say.... :D

 

BTW(! ;D)...i dont really understand why sound "bright" or sound "warm" could be "wrong".....even different concert hall sometime can make a same instrument sound 'brighter' or 'warmer' from our pass experence.... :)

 

IMHO it's very difficult to say what's "wrong" or "right" simply because we were not present at the recording/mastering studio when the recording was made. So actually we end up setting up as system that suits our ears/taste. I have a friend who likes high resolution, fast transient and bright sound. My other friends and I find his system quite painful to listen for long term but he like it that way . As he really like his system this way who are we to say that he's "wrong" ;D

 

 

 

 

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What's wrong: when Ella turns into Celine, when a cello turns into a viola, when an acoustic guitar turns into a bass guitar, when a wedding march turns into a funeral march. To the untrained ear, no difference.

 

Once a friend came over and I played him a cello track. He took the cd back and said the cello had turned into a viola. But after he got rid of all his cones the cello re-appeared, mysteriously.

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What's wrong: when Ella turns into Celine, when a cello turns into a viola, when an acoustic guitar turns into a bass guitar, when a wedding march turns into a funeral march. To the untrained ear, no difference.

 

Once a friend came over and I played him a cello track. He took the cd back and said the cello had turned into a viola. But after he got rid of all his cones the cello re-appeared, mysteriously.

 

I know what you mean about the Cello turning into a Viola, cones can change the overall tonal balance that's why I said earlier that cones may or may not work.....

Regarding the example of a Wedding March turning into a Funeral March sound like a serious case of PRaT gone wrong ;D.......

Let me give the comments of these 2 Audiophiles after I had a listening session at their homes.

Audiophile 1 :

" I know these tubes amps of mine are coloured, the midrange is very thick but I like the midrange to be thick

( kow kow bak bak) "........

Audiophile 2 :

" I like my amps because they are smooth not the attacking type like a lot of the SS amps, after all I'm an old man and I like the "old man" type of sound......

 

In these 2 cases I think you might say that the owners were aware of the shortcommings or "wrong" of their amps but they are happy with it. As long as they are happy with their system I guess that what counts :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What's wrong: when Ella turns into Celine, when a cello turns into a viola, when an acoustic guitar turns into a bass guitar, when a wedding march turns into a funeral march. To the untrained ear, no difference.

 

Once a friend came over and I played him a cello track. He took the cd back and said the cello had turned into a viola. But after he got rid of all his cones the cello re-appeared, mysteriously.

 

Acoustic guitar turns bass guitar??? Can't be that much difference right? .

Most guitarist wouldn't need a high end system tell the whether it's Gibson Les Paul or the Fender Strats playing even if it's coming from your TV speakers. And you telling me a some setup can actually make an acoustic guitar sound like bass.. Too critical I say.

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What's wrong: when Ella turns into Celine, when a cello turns into a viola, when an acoustic guitar turns into a bass guitar, when a wedding march turns into a funeral march. To the untrained ear, no difference.

 

Once a friend came over and I played him a cello track. He took the cd back and said the cello had turned into a viola. But after he got rid of all his cones the cello re-appeared, mysteriously.

 

1st of all,my ear are untrained ..... ;D

 

...but so far i never hear a system that can turns Ella into Celine,turns an acoustic guitar into a bass guitar.....

 

turns a cello into a viola is possible as they sometime do sound a bit similar at certain notes,other than that, the bottem few notes of cello and highest few notes of viola shouldnt be that difficult to identify....

 

but i believe that is to do with the reconding ,the set up or room accoustis other then the fault of Eq. being "too bright" or "too warm"...

 

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What about if you have 2 eqpt which inherently is "neutral" and then you throw in a "bright" souding cable and ended up with the system sounding bright.

 

Two rights can also make a wrong? ??? ??? ;D

 

Any balanced sounding system will sound good with give away stock cables. So if a system sounds too "bright" or "dark", always use stock cables as reference and see which of the cables are to be blamed. In my own experience, silver cables generally sound "brighter". A number of people have told me that they prefer to use silver cables (to copper cables) because they sound "faster". Actually the velocity of propagation has a lot to do with cable design, not just whether the cables are made from copper or silver.

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Acoustic guitar turns bass guitar??? Can't be that much difference right? .

Most guitarist wouldn't need a high end system tell the whether it's Gibson Les Paul or the Fender Strats playing even if it's coming from your TV speakers. And you telling me a some setup can actually make an acoustic guitar sound like bass.. Too critical I say.

 

No guitar specialist here but a bass guitar definitely sounds different from an acoustic guitar and a Yamaha concert grand definitely sounds different from a Bosendorfer concert grand.

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Yah, it could also be that eveything is pretty neutral but you put them into a room that is too "dark" or "bright" sounding, no 2 rooms have perfectly identical acoustics..

 

What about if you have 2 eqpt which inherently is "neutral" and then you throw in a "bright" souding cable and ended up with the system sounding bright.

 

Two rights can also make a wrong? ??? ??? ;D

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I am personally not too concern about the "right" or "wrong" thingy, as I can't understand all the science and mathematics behind this hobby, too "chiem" for me.

 

Prefer to stick to my organic ears and follow the advice of the Jedi knights.. "trust your feelings".. hehehee ;D

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