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I received my occassional post from Dr AIX which I thought would be worth a bit of a follow up.  On the train this morning I listened to part of the youtube interview and thought it was worth posting for those that may be curious. I'll listen to the rest of the session a bit later.  For those that don't have the time the presenter did a prepare a little summary.

 

For those that are time-challenged, here are the main takeaways:

  1. MQA is NOT lossless
  2. MQA adds unwanted noise and distortion
  3. MQA is not usually sourced from a high-sample rate master
  4. MQA 'authentication' does not authenticate/guarantee anything (NOTE: the blue light is nonsense)
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GoldenSound created an audio track that included a variety of audio tones, ultrasonic frequencies, and other test components and then had the files converted to MQA and uploaded to TIDAL. He reached out to the people at MQA ahead of his posting and they responded by having the file removed from the TIDAL platform. It seems MQA doesn't want the world to know that it is perpetrating a hoax on the music and consumer electronics industries. They're acting like bullies.

I have been in a conversation with an individual at Warner Music Group regarding the AIX Records catalog and distribution through streaming services. Just this morning I received an email that made mention of my request to remove ALL AIX content from TIDAL because they insisted on using MQA to encode my high-resolution masters. He wrote:

"I read your comment about MQA and Tidal.  Our former CEO for WEA, Mike Jbara, is the CEO of MQA.  Have you ever had a conversation with MQA about your concerns?  Perhaps it would do some good."

I sent him the link to this video. It's amazing that so many people in positions of influence have been fooled by the MQA juggernaut. Watch the video, read the articles, and I'm confident that you'll come to the same conclusion I have

 

 

 

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Why does this not surprise me? Explains why there are people have said that Qobuz sounds better than Tidal. They use FLAC not MQA..... Though I believe Tidal Hi-Fi is FLAC? I dunno.

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That vid is quite a takedown - articulate and dispassionate. A very good argument to sign up for Qobuz if you want a streaming service.

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If Roon made it easier to change between I'd do so in a heartbeat, but unfortunately I seem to have an issue exporting playlists much above 600 tracks  :(

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5 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said:

My plan;

- transfer my Tidal music to Qobuz

- list all the albums that qobuz doesn’t have

- buy those albums

- cancel Tidal 

I have a similar plan.

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1 hour ago, MattyW said:

If Roon made it easier to change between I'd do so in a heartbeat, but unfortunately I seem to have an issue exporting playlists much above 600 tracks  :(

Not sure what your Roon issue is. I don’t have much in the way of playlists, but I have no problem with Roon dealing with   all of local file content (NAS) and both Tidal and Qobuz

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1 hour ago, ThirdDrawerDown said:

@sir sanders zingmore are your reasons to do with the issues the OP described in posting the GoldenSound item?

 

Or do you have other reasons?

 

 

For me, hi-res Qobuz for me is better than MQA Tidal, and don’t want to pay twice

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1 hour ago, ThirdDrawerDown said:

@sir sanders zingmore are your reasons to do with the issues the OP described in posting the GoldenSound item?

 

Or do you have other reasons?

 

 

I object to the DRM by stealth and to the fact that Tidal seems to have all but removed the ability to select non-MQA recordings. 
I have no comment on sound quality yet as I signed up to qobuz two days ago but haven’t been able to listen yet (don’t you hate work?)

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I similarly object to DRM by stealth, can’t fully utilise MQA without appropriate MQA capable gear from which MQA extracts a licence fee

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Good watch, and sort of what I expected. I always felt it sounded different, but its hard for the brain to pinpoint what and why.

 

Think I'll give Qobuz a go!

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It is interesting that the mods have moved the topic to the great audio debate. I'm guessing that they didn't have a look/listen to the youtube clip because if they had, they might have left it in the digital section.  I actually thought the video was unbiased and also supported by measurements.  These type of exercises/clips are very informative and help audiophiles make more balanced judgements.

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Been listening to Qobuz for last two days and it is definitely better then Tidal. But hate that Qobuz does not have radio station feature based on a song that you like or auto generated queue or recommendations. Anyway, so far I like the Qobuz for its sound quality, will be cancelling Tidal soon.

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I scrapped Tidal the second Qobuz was available in Oz. Whether MQA is good or bad making people buy new DAC's that are MQA compatible is just a poor show. Especially is you have an expensive non MQA DAC. 

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Great video - very disappointing to hear about the hostility from MQA and Tidal. I'll be going elsewhere. 

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Tidal subscription cancelled and uninstalled. Moved all my music from Tidal back to Spotify (what the family uses) and will check out Qobuz. "Soundizz" makes it easy to just transfer everything across.

 

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I've never really been a believer in MQA or software in general but more the DAC. Hell I used wav files till I started a sub with Tidal and more for their library and user interface than anything else. I was using Amazon but the interface is such super PITA that I switched back to Tidal, that and a few months free....

 

As for Goldensound,, wants to be too much like Zeos who I'm also not a big fan of. Seriously take the cam of ya head mate.

 

TBH Passion for sound is my go to for info. And probably more so @BlueOceanBoy but he don't make vids at present.

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3 hours ago, mjs said:

Not sure what your Roon issue is. I don’t have much in the way of playlists, but I have no problem with Roon dealing with   all of local file content (NAS) and both Tidal and Qobuz

Yeah, I don't know whats causing it either.  My playlists are mixed local file (TrueNAS fileserver) and Tidal. Seems to fall over exporting the playlist anywhere between 600 and 700 tracks. Quite frustrating as I'd like to get off Tidal.  :(

 

Due to the DAC's I run, anything over 16 bit 44k FLAC is straight out unnecessary however a move to FLAC would be an improvement in sound quality based on this.

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34 minutes ago, Tarzan said:

I've never really been a believer in MQA or software in general but more the DAC. Hell I used wav files till I started a sub with Tidal and more for their library and user interface than anything else. I was using Amazon but the interface is such super PITA that I switched back to Tidal, that and a few months free....

 

As for Goldensound,, wants to be too much like Zeos who I'm also not a big fan of. Seriously take the cam of ya head mate.

 

TBH Passion for sound is my go to for info. And probably more so @BlueOceanBoy but he don't make vids at present.

Has nothing to do with him though. It's more someone took the time to appropriately measure the MQA effect. Couldn't care less who did it!

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13 minutes ago, Steffen said:

 

I thought the “Great Audio Debate” forum was for controversial topics?

;)

 

Me too!  That's why I posted it in the DIgital Music section. 

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Just watched it very interesting little bit over my head but I too canceled tidal as soon as Qobuz was available, I’m also a roon user and have a Chord Dac 

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3 hours ago, Steffen said:

 

I thought the “Great Audio Debate” forum was for controversial topics?

;)

 

It is and the moderators determined that this thread belongs here. 

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