cwt Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Good news for those who want an upgrade from MCACC or even better another proprietary system Accu-eq Will logically enable future upgrades like bass management integration for free or a fee with dirac 2.0 .? Will Integra pre pro;s be coming back.. https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/breaking-onkyo-and-pioneer-ink-licensing-agreement-with-dirac-research.7478/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 That's great news - should make Pioneer and Onkyo much more competitive with other offerings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnersfella Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Dirac isn't simple... so mum and dad's running Dirac on their new AVR won't be a happening thing. If a high end custom integrator or AV geek wants it, it could certainly work for them. However, some companies *cough* Arcam *cough* have had their own issues in implementing Dirac, so if Pioneer / Onkyo / Integra can make it happen, it will be interesting. BUT - the aside to the announcement is that the Dirac functionality could be entirely related to car audio for the Pioneer and Onkyo group OEM vehicle audio business, where Dirac is putting a LOT of their emphasis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwt Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dunnersfella said: BUT - the aside to the announcement is that the Dirac functionality could be entirely related to car audio for the Pioneer and Onkyo group OEM vehicle audio business, where Dirac is putting a LOT of their emphasis. They are trying to make it less complicated than the different proprietary methods of the original dirac live [one size fits all] . This announcement had its genesis a few years ago ; a good prediction from audioholics at the time as well as a good clue that onkyo purchased pioneer to factor in .. https://www.audioholics.com/av-news/pioneer-dirac-partnership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Only thing I absolutely hate about Dirac is that you have to pay 399USD or more to just to enable multi sub calibration..... They should really just include that with all versions. But it's one heck of a calibration software. But from what I've heard... Still has its quirks with the bass management side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewantsmoore Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 9 hours ago, buddhamus said: Only thing I absolutely hate about Dirac is that you have to pay 399USD or more to just to enable multi sub calibration..... They should really just include that with all versions. Ummm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanica Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 07/11/2020 at 8:57 PM, buddhamus said: Only thing I absolutely hate about Dirac is that you have to pay 399USD or more to just to enable multi sub calibration..... They should really just include that with all versions. But it's one heck of a calibration software. But from what I've heard... Still has its quirks with the bass management side of things. Are you referring to the somewhat new Dirac Live Bass Control feature? https://live.dirac.com/features/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Satanica said: Are you referring to the somewhat new Dirac Live Bass Control feature? https://live.dirac.com/features/ Oh yes, I am.... Sorry is this going to be different from what they will be implementing in the Integra and Onkyos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanica Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, buddhamus said: Oh yes, I am.... Sorry is this going to be different from what they will be implementing in the Integra and Onkyos? No idea. But regarding the $399USD is this what it costs to enable this feature on top of the normal charge for Dirac Live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwt Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 47 minutes ago, Satanica said: No idea. But regarding the $399USD is this what it costs to enable this feature on top of the normal charge for Dirac Live? It depends on the CE Satanica ; Arcam you pay for it JBL Synthesis its gratis https://restechtoday.com/dirac-live-bass/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 https://www.dirac.com/news/2019/8/21/dirac-live-bass-management-at-cedia-2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrabble Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, cwt said: It depends on the CE Satanica ; Arcam you pay for it JBL Synthesis its gratis Or another way of looking at it is, you've paid circa $13k for the JBL - it's 'free', or you've paid $8k for the Arcam - you have to pay an additional $400 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Satanica said: No idea. But regarding the $399USD is this what it costs to enable this feature on top of the normal charge for Dirac Live? Depends.... I know Emotiva, monolith and some others you have to pay extra for the bass management module. Here's a link. https://www.dirac.com/news/2019/8/21/dirac-live-bass-management-at-cedia-2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, idrabble said: Or another way of looking at it is, you've paid circa $13k for the JBL - it's 'free', or you've paid $8k for the Arcam - you have to pay an additional $400 Kinda sucks u gotta pay for that extra bit for dialing in multi subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanica Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, buddhamus said: Kinda sucks u gotta pay for that extra bit for dialing in multi subs. Actually according to the link provided you've also gotta pay for Dirac Live Bass Management with just one subwoofer too. Dirac Live Bass Management, the first in a series of modular add-ons for Dirac Live, is available in two versions: Single-Sub, for single subwoofer home theater systems, is priced at $249, while Multi-Sub, for systems with more than one sub, is priced at $399. What I don't understand is how is it different from systems that currently employ Dirac Live such as a NAD T753 V3(i) ? https://nadelectronics.com/dirac-live/ If one scrolls down a bit you can clearly see seven speakers and a subwoofer. So is it different as the following which is taken from the website? Dirac Live® Bass Control Correction of areas with sound gaps (bass decline) Smoother bass reproduction in the crossover area Bass Management on multiple subwoofers Flexible subwoofer placement in listening space Visual representation of the predicted bass performance (subwoofer and speaker summation) Edited November 9, 2020 by Satanica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Satanica said: Actually according to the link provided you've also gotta pay for Dirac Live Bass Management with just one subwoofer too. Dirac Live Bass Management, the first in a series of modular add-ons for Dirac Live, is available in two versions: Single-Sub, for single subwoofer home theater systems, is priced at $249, while Multi-Sub, for systems with more than one sub, is priced at $399. What I don't understand is how is it different from systems that currently employ Dirac Live such as a NAD T753 V3(i) ? https://nadelectronics.com/dirac-live/ If one scrolls down a bit you can clearly see seven speakers and a subwoofer. So is it different as the following which is taken from the website? Dirac Live® Bass Control Correction of areas with sound gaps (bass decline) Smoother bass reproduction in the crossover area Bass Management on multiple subwoofers Flexible subwoofer placement in listening space Visual representation of the predicted bass performance (subwoofer and speaker summation) Not sure regarding the NAD. But yeah forgot to mention that single subs need that add on too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwt Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Satanica said: What I don't understand is how is it different from systems that currently employ Dirac Live such as a NAD T753 V3(i) ? Basically the NAD doesnt have algorithms that incorporate the bass frequencies from your sub/s with your higher frequencies ; dbm distributes the bass evenly . The basic dirac2.0 just uses phase alignment for making your satellites and sub meld [ it doesnt have niceties like crossover manipulation ] Quote According to Niklas Thorin, Dirac’s GM of High Performance Audio, speaker and subwoofer sound waves bounce throughout a space and collide with one another to create crossover areas with uneven bass distribution. Dirac Live Bass Management measures and phase corrects a home theater’s speakers and subwoofers across all frequencies, even in multiple subwoofer systems, to produce enhanced bass clarity and improved bass tone evenness throughout the room. Its a bit analagous to audysseys seperate bass management but a lot more sophisticated when it comes to sub positioning [they say..] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewantsmoore Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 5 hours ago, buddhamus said: Kinda sucks u gotta pay for that extra bit for dialing in multi subs. What is the alternative? Dirac (or device manufacturer) provides you with the BM product for free? This doesn't seem like good buisiness sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 23 hours ago, davewantsmoore said: What is the alternative? Dirac (or device manufacturer) provides you with the BM product for free? This doesn't seem like good buisiness sense to me. 100%...not sure how they will be doing it. But Ill bet my left nut the consumer who purchases the AVRS with Dirac will have to pay for it......honestly they would be better off having license attached the unit from the get go.... Ready to go. Pricing would be higher though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewantsmoore Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 12 hours ago, buddhamus said: honestly they would be better off having license attached the unit from the get go.... Ready to go. Pricing would be higher though. Exactly. What you are saying is increase price of all AVR by $400. Whether or not the person will use the BM product or not. I don't think that sounds like a good idea for either AVR manufacturers.... or Dirac... or consumers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, davewantsmoore said: Exactly. What you are saying is increase price of all AVR by $400. Whether or not the person will use the BM product or not. I don't think that sounds like a good idea for either AVR manufacturers.... or Dirac... or consumers. Regardless... Having to pay that much for adding a bass management module to a software.... Is a **** move. Considering things like ARC Genesis does pretty much the same thing and it's free. Audyssey obviously does it... Although not as good. But with the new Anthems adding in automatic time time delay and distance settings..... It's pretty much levelled the playing field. Reading Ppl have already switched from Dirac to ARC Genesis on Avs And said they got better results running Genesis than Dirac and less tweaking to get the sound better. Edited November 11, 2020 by buddhamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanica Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, buddhamus said: Regardless... Having to pay that much for adding a bass management module to a software.... Is a **** move. Considering things like ARC Genesis does pretty much the same thing and it's free. Audyssey obviously does it... Although not as good. But with the new Anthems adding in automatic time time delay and distance settings..... It's pretty much levelled the playing field. But AVR's already come with bass management from the vendor. Having the Dirac Live Bass Management included with Dirac Live would be doubling up on some of the functionality and increasing the cost when the consumer might not actually use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewantsmoore Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 8 hours ago, buddhamus said: Considering things like ARC Genesis does pretty much the same thing Not as far as I understand it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhamus Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, davewantsmoore said: Not as far as I understand it.... Ok Edited November 11, 2020 by buddhamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwt Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Bit more info on the new Onk and Pio avr's coming with Dirac Dodged a bullet with the hdmi2.1 frame rate issue for those who can wait ? Onkyo and Pioneer's 2021 receivers back in black with 8K video, from $499 - CNET 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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