nat0aus Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) hey there, so after my burson is gone i will be left with a valab dac, which i find has a very jittery usb input. unfortunately im selling my m2tech (which would have fixed the problem, hmm shouldn't have parted with it, was great :S ) and i have most music stored on my computer. so i will need to burn cd's to get the best quality out of my music. i noticed at lenehan they used a special type of disc that was black, like the old ps1 games. can anyone speak of the benefits of these discs? where is the best place to buy them? Edited June 23, 2011 by nat0aus
kunalraiker Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 To wave aay from thepost,I wasn interersted to know whether you could hear the jitter in your system
Once was an audiophile Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 hey there, so after my burson is gone i will be left with a valab dac, which i find has a very jittery usb input. unfortunately im selling my m2tech (which would have fixed the problem, hmm shouldn't have parted with it, was great :S ) and i have most music stored on my computer. so i will need to burn cd's to get the best quality out of my music. i noticed at lenehan they used a special type of disc that was black, like the old ps1 games. can anyone speak of the benefits of these discs? where is the best place to buy them? its not just the disk you also require a good burner imho
nat0aus Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) righto then, do you think investing in a decent pioneer blu ray/cd-r burner would merit the use of 'audiophile' cd-r's? Edited June 23, 2011 by nat0aus
Once was an audiophile Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 righto then, do you think investing in a decent pioneer blu ray/cd-r burner would merit the use of 'audiophile' cd-r's? I use plextor premium2 others use yamaha f1 burner i have no experience with pioneer blu ray/cd-r burners ps:The valab usb is very average try a audiophilio or jkhiface
JA Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Those Black CD-Rs will not play in some players and DVD palyers. As for their raison d'etre: My thoughts, not form the back of the pack, is that the black CD-Rs, will pass some light in the very deep red - infra red, but not much visible light. You can hold them up to the light and see this. This might make them less susceptible to stray light causing read errors. Can you hear it? Is this demonstrable in experiment with read errors from stray light? ..... Bo ! Bets JA
cableconnoisseur Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I've never used the blank versions of these discs, but have a couple of pre-recorded/originals discs. (They are fairly expensive for a blank, write-once medium) They do sound extremely good on my humble system. Like you, I saw the blanks at Mike's shop during one of my several visits over a period of time.
LogicprObe Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Get a Squeezebox Touch. Burnt discs will never be as good as properly ripped wavs in your computer though. I use the expensive Verbatim ones when I have to.
eltech Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) I use the black CD-R's. What to say about them: They sound really good. Like any Burnt CD they dont soud exactly like the original, but have the most pleasant sound of all the CD-Rs that I tried. After trying a few brands, I found most silver CD-Rs sound like everything is slanted towards the treble and they sound harsh. The black ones still have all the detail, but sound smooth, pleasant, and well balanced. I would not use any other disc to burn music on to. Yes they are as good as all the reviews say. If you can find them, get them. I used to buy them from my local PC shop. But I have not been there in a while. This is the shop: http://www.truelocal.com.au/business/infinity-computer-group/burwood I think the black discs were made by Ritek, yes they are I just checked this is the exact disc http://shop.cd-writer.com/catalog/ritek-black-bottom-cdr-with-non-full-face-wijp-surface-in-100-s-ritek-p-163317.html Edited June 24, 2011 by eltech
protecon Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 If I'm burning anything worth keeping, I only use genuine Taiyo Yudens. JPL Displays is the main distributor for Australia.
Luc Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 +1 for Taiyo Yudens and Verbatims. To the OP: If you want to know nearly everything you need to know up to what ever level of knowledge your comfortable at, then go to this website, grab the burning program never ever use another burning program and never ever wonder about what format, what CD, what speed etc etc, again. Here is just one of the many guides... How to write an Audio CD from music files using ImgBurn Supported files include Ape, Flac, Ogg, MP3, Wav and Wma
gamve Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 + 2 for Taiyo Yudens. Think you will find that Taiyo also manufacture Verbatims and most of the other good branded discs.
Craigandkim Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 If you want good quality archive discs these are pretty darn good: Prodisc Gold
LogicprObe Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 Ohhhh..........this is a great subject. I'm sure it will run for many years!
Marine Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 ........i have most music stored on my computer. so i will need to burn cd's to get the best quality out of my music. Why not just use the original cds you ripped the music from to your computer:confused:
LogicprObe Posted June 25, 2011 Posted June 25, 2011 Why not just use the original cds you ripped the music from to your computer:confused: Might want a compilation.
Zammo Posted June 27, 2011 Posted June 27, 2011 If you want good quality archive discs these are pretty darn good: Prodisc Gold Whilst I'm sure they're the goods, they are very expensive. For storage of my photos (RAW files), I use these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/501672-REG/Verbatim_96159_CD_R_700MB_Gold_Archival.html Purchased locally (50 pack) for $75 at one of those cheap CD/DVD media stores.
Craigandkim Posted June 27, 2011 Posted June 27, 2011 Yes Prodisc discs are more expensive than other brands, no doubting this.... Here are some facts and figures regarding Prodisc (some marketing hype).... but none the less tested and evaluated (link) If you just want a disc to burn some music for the car, don't use Prodisc. However if you need assurance that the music, images, or whatever you burn will be accessible and intact in 5-10 years use Prodisc or discs with similar construction. Cheers
Ken Posted June 27, 2011 Posted June 27, 2011 I was a disbeliever that the disc could make any difference, but a friend introduced me to the 'Black Disc', for me I would not now use any other type. I have one last box of Imation Black CD-R's they heve been fantastic. I even did a blind listening test and friends picked out the Black Disc on a regular basis, don't ask why the sounded better as I don't know, but they picked the 'Black' with repeated success. Ken
Guest Bodhisattva Posted June 27, 2011 Posted June 27, 2011 You can buy Kodac 24kt CD-R's at Woolworths in a 10 pack from memory which are pretty good value. I've used those for my audiophile burns before & been very happy with the results. The main value in the 24kt gold cdr's is they don't degrade at anything like the same rate as regular cdr's. Sonically they should be no better as the best cdr's (eg: TDG gold). Cheers, Bodhi
Once was an audiophile Posted June 27, 2011 Posted June 27, 2011 I was a disbeliever that the disc could make any difference, but a friend introduced me to the 'Black Disc', for me I would not now use any other type.I have one last box of Imation Black CD-R's they heve been fantastic. I even did a blind listening test and friends picked out the Black Disc on a regular basis, don't ask why the sounded better as I don't know, but they picked the 'Black' with repeated success. Ken try mobile fidelity disks
Craigandkim Posted June 27, 2011 Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) try mobile fidelity disks Another disc that does use the more stable phthalocyanine dye (as opposed to Cyanine or Metal Azo). A good choice. Link to info Edited June 27, 2011 by Craigandkim link
Zammo Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Yes Prodisc discs are more expensive than other brands, no doubting this....Here are some facts and figures regarding Prodisc (some marketing hype).... but none the less tested and evaluated (link) If you just want a disc to burn some music for the car, don't use Prodisc. However if you need assurance that the music, images, or whatever you burn will be accessible and intact in 5-10 years use Prodisc or discs with similar construction. Cheers Hmmm, some interesting stuff on that link, but certainly a lot of marketing hype. I noticed for the BLER comparisons they used stock standard verbatim rather than the ultralife archival CD-R's I linked to. The Verbatims seems to be used extensively by pro-photographers and the archival industry, so think I'll still stick with them at about 1/3rd the price of the Prodiscs. It should be pointed out that even more important than the storage medium itself is proper backup systems (double/triple backups, multiple sites, regular checks etc.). Some in the photography industry even argue that you should use cheap CD-R's to force you to regularly verify contents, and that "archival" CD-R's give a false sense of security. Not sure I'd go that far, but for precious things such as digital photo files you do need good systems to ensure secure long term archiving.
Craigandkim Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 It should be pointed out that even more important than the storage medium itself is proper backup systems (double/triple backups, multiple sites, regular checks etc.). Some in the photography industry even argue that you should use cheap CD-R's to force you to regularly verify contents, and that "archival" CD-R's give a false sense of security. Not sure I'd go that far, but for precious things such as digital photo files you do need good systems to ensure secure long term archiving. Indeed Zammo, however I felt that discussing recommended archival redundancy practices was getting too far off topic. Very much agreed that all CD-R's represent short to mid term solutions for storage. Regarding Verbatim- unfortunately another independant test revealed Verbatim's Super AZO dye was not a particularly stable dye material: Here you'll notice the poor BLER results here-link...food for thought.
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