davewantsmoore Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, dbastin said: I just came across this new Acoustic Revive cable that seperates the 4 twisted pairs. AU$1200 for 1m. https://acousticrevive.jp/portfolio-item/lan/ "The 4-split cable structure, which can be called category 9"
notchasingrainbows Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, dbastin said: I just came across this new Acoustic Revive cable that seperates the 4 twisted pairs. AU$1200 for 1m. https://acousticrevive.jp/portfolio-item/lan/ @dbastin are u planning to give it a run? Other than keepin the 4 pairs separated theyre implementing tourmaline and copper shielding with gold plated plugs. Have you tried the sablon 2020 ethernet cables? They beat my revelation audio labs pure silver by a mile in musicality.
notchasingrainbows Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 Actually Mark Coles of Sablon used the same implementation (separated/twisted conductors) when doin my recent 50cm one-off sablon pure silver i2s with rj45 termination. compared to the 2020 sablon ethernet used as i2s data, this exhibits less grain, more dynamic, smoother even tho it sounds more detailed. Doesn’t lose bass/mid which the 2020 sablon ethernet is really good at. 1 1
TDX Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, notchasingrainbow said: Actually Mark Coles of Sablon used the same implementation (separated/twisted conductors) when doin my recent 50cm one-off sablon pure silver i2s with rj45 termination. compared to the 2020 sablon ethernet used as i2s data, this exhibits less grain, more dynamic, smoother even tho it sounds more detailed. Doesn’t lose bass/mid which the 2020 sablon ethernet is really good at. I'm interested in this, can you PM how you purchased it (the contact) and price if possible?
dbastin Posted July 21, 2021 Author Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, notchasingrainbow said: are u planning to give it a run? Other than keepin the 4 pairs separated theyre implementing tourmaline and copper shielding with gold plated plugs. Have you tried the sablon 2020 ethernet cables? They beat my revelation audio labs pure silver by a mile in musicality. No, just putting it here because I can't edit the opening post to add it to the list. For the benefit of readers, it might be worth you outlining what you mean by musicality because it seems hat term may have various meanings.
notchasingrainbows Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, TDX said: I'm interested in this, can you PM how you purchased it (the contact) and price if possible? It was a one off that he did to r&d his take on i2s with rj45 termination.
notchasingrainbows Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, dbastin said: No, just putting it here because I can't edit the opening post to add it to the list. For the benefit of readers, it might be worth you outlining what you mean by musicality because it seems hat term may have various meanings. Musical meaning for me, it sounds coherent, the lows, mids and highs are not on their own but it is sounding just right playing together. Definitely not thin sounding, some pure silver cables are not using the right size awg for the conductors hence the thin sound. The cable isolation inside i think plays also an important role in Mark’s design with the 2020 ethernet cable. If you havent tried it it is def worth a try. 1
davewantsmoore Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 2 hours ago, notchasingrainbow said: i2s with rj45 termination The issues wrt interference are totally different for I2S vs ethernet (fear end, near end, etc) ... and I2S could, maybe, benefit from this, if it's an actual long, unisolated, I2S on RJ45. .... but at that point, I would be advocating for some sort of isolation (LVDS, etc.) and then not worrying so much about the cable ...... OR, alternatively. Using something designed for the tast, like short coaxial cables (for each I2S line).
davewantsmoore Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) As an aside, I wonder how these manufacturers manage the precise twist rate per conductor (or if they do) .... or are they concerned with lower frequency interference? ... and/or any actual performance is actually irrelevant as nobody uses these cables at high speeds?! Anybody seen a 10gbps transfer from any of these types of cables? Edited July 21, 2021 by davewantsmoore
frednork Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) Received a package in the mail from a saint, in name and generosity. Have been trying to organise a catchup with @Assisi for some time now and with lockdowns, missing components (getting upgraded of course) and wild weather and fallen trees and more lockdowns it has not eventuated. In a fit of apparent madness he decided to send me his new eno ethernet filter to have a play with. So , I did. Am not sure it fits perfectly here but probably not in the switch thread even more so. New Cable: Network Acoustics ENO filter ag version Connected upstream to: Sotm DCBL 7 cable to ER then Fibre to Cisco switch (powered by lps) via finisar BTL modules to cisco via cat 5 to router Upgraded from: not a replacement for a cable but an addition to. In fact as one end is a female you will need some sort of cable to use it Switch: EtherRegen powered by lps1.2 Other downstream: This plugs into a diy endpoint. part of a 2 box system running roon Other cables you considered: was using elecom and had tried blue jeans and supra and then heard a friends sotm dcbl 7. It did everything I (thought) I needed. Reason for your choice: it arrived in the post Links to info about the new cable:https://www.networkacoustics.com/shop/eno-ethernet-filter/ Your comments/observations: I have only had the filter for a couple of days so these impressions are maybe not fully formed but then normally when trialling a product like this I would tend not to say anything until possibly one week or more to ensure I am not mistaking differences for something else and that any perceived improvements are really improvements and not just different. How does it sound? Simple answer is it sounds better than without. more specifically, soundstage is deeper, more evident, more ambience in the recording is evident. It is also a bit cleaner, transients a bit quicker or cleaner and sibilance is lessened. I havent noticed any differences in bass but for some reason I tend to notice those last. It provides more life to the music being played and things feel a little flat when removed. It also adds a small uptick in the top end which in my case is not entirely welcome as my system is already setup to be a bit on the over detailed side of things. The latter is not a big issue for me as I dsp my setup to within an inch of its life and can change it at the drop of a hat and generally tend to ignore tonal changes with things I am trialling as opposed to things I cannot as easily achieve with dsp. For most people it would probably equal a small and welcome increase in detail. However the presentation is smooth and on the sweet side, so very pleasant. My personal audio fetishes are soundstage immersion and realistic sounding cymbals and metallic noises (dont judge) and this thing seems to improve both. While my setup is not as intricate as @dbastins or as awe inspiring as @Assisi's there is already significant cost (in my view) in an Etherregen, a dedicated LPS for it and some quite pricy ethernet cables. (I run 2 sotm dcbl7's ) plus an lps powered cisco. nice fsp modules etc. If you told me I would be sinking that kind of money into ethernet bits 5 years ago I would probably have told you to pull the other one. But here we are. The thing that is surprising and annoying at the same time is that this passive device improves on all that and noticeably. Now it may be because of all the other stuff that the benefit is apparent but its still annoying some black box that isnt even powered is exhibiting this improvement. When you think about it , the fact that @assisi thinks it improves his mega ethernet setup it is just astounding. I guess some questions for me are what does it do to a less than stellar eth cable? Does it render the cable unimportant. How does it compare to no direct internet connection? (Doesnt fibre already do that). I will try to answer those in the ensuing days if I can. Luckily I have some other changes in the digital pipeline which I have no doubt will raise the bar significantly so would like a chance to retest this device with the new setup to see if it can still deliver the goods, but I guess if @assisi is anything to go by it may well be a yes. Very interesting device indeed. They seem to offer a 30 day trial period if i have piqued your interest, so no commitment required. and no, sadly I have not had the foresight to negotiate a healthy commission prior to writing this. (note to self, get on the payola wagon pronto!!) Many thanks to @assisi for the generous lend . I suspect he may be suffering from saintly acts remorse so I will finish my evaluations stat(im) and get the eno back to its rightful owner. Thanks for reading! Edited July 30, 2021 by frednork 7 1
Assisi Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 11 hours ago, frednork said: However the presentation is smooth and on the sweet side, so very pleasant. I agree. It seems that the music is slowed which of course it is not. Just an illusion. As I reported a few weeks back I had acquired a ENO Ag filter and was very impressed with results. I ordered on the basis of posts in another forum, some reviews and the 30 day return offer. As well intuition is involved with my decisions. As soon as I connected the ENO in my system, I sent a post to Network Acoustics saying it definitely would not be returned. For a couple of days after I was without the ENO, I realised that without it I was missing something. However, the brain soon adjusts to the changed circumstances. I am sort of happy without it for a time. I look forward to having it back when @frednork and I can catch up when the rules allow in Victoria. I also said in another post that based on the filter and the 100mgbs out, I acquired a Melco S100. It is 100mgbs and it also has two 2X FMC which I wanted instead of the RENOLBS 1 X FMC. There was a benefit with the Melco. I have asked a question in another SNA thread, does anyone have a Waversa WRouter? No responses. The recent firmware update for the WRouter enables aspects of the switch to be configured. This includes setting the network speed to 100mgbs. I did this with mine of course. More benefit. I am now on a 100Mmgbs mission. Slow Slow Slow network speed seems better. John 2
MattyW Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) Mmm, bastard.... I had managed to forget about the ENO and deleted bookmarks for it. Now it's back on my radar. I really need to stop buying stuff for a while. Stop torturing me! I'm trying so hard to resist! While maybe 60-70% percent serious on my previous post, I'd love to hear a direct comparison between the ENO and the GigaFOIL. Does anyone have both? Edited July 31, 2021 by MattyW 1
davewantsmoore Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Assisi said: I am now on a 100Mmgbs mission. Slow Slow Slow network speed seems better. Yes. Theres no point to using Gigabit Ethernet for audio. Gigabit Ethernet has signals which are much faster than audio (> 100 MHz) .... and they could be being "picked up" by some of your audio devices (that don't filter it) causing loss of performance. Edited July 31, 2021 by davewantsmoore
MattyW Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) Look what you made me do! I bought more stuff I don't need. My Supra CAT8 cables and LPS for my HTPC and server, or even the 6x 75ohm BNC termination plugs coming for my Mutec are not even here yet and more stuff coming. Anyway, I've an ENO Ag filter on the way for my main system. Eventually I'll replace the HTPC for a fanless AMD Ryzen 2500U solution which should bring both electrical and actual audible noise still lower. My main problem these days though is audible whine from the solar inverter under the stairs. Got to figure out how to noise proof it one of these days. Only audible during daylight hours though quite noticeable from both living rooms.... Or anywhere downstairs really. We had it installed indoors to reduce fire risk. Never realized it would be audible from upstairs though. Edited July 31, 2021 by MattyW 1
evil c Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MattyW said: Mmm, bastard.... I had managed to forget about the ENO and deleted bookmarks for it. Now it's back on my radar. I really need to stop buying stuff for a while. Stop torturing me! I'm trying so hard to resist! While maybe 60-70% percent serious on my previous post, I'd love to hear a direct comparison between the ENO and the GigaFOIL. Does anyone have both? You're being tortured!!? What about me??? Assisi generously loans @frednork the ENO and overlooks me !!, Best we don't know what we're missing anyway, it's cheaper that way!, Especially after l just bought 3 of the Audio Revive Ethernet cables, I don't require any more excitement for the time being. Edit: Can't help yourself MattyW, self control of a Sailor in a house of ill repute! Edited July 31, 2021 by evil c 3
Stereophilus Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Assisi said: I also said in another post that based on the filter and the 100mgbs out, I acquired a Melco S100. It is 100mgbs and it also has two 2X FMC which I wanted instead of the RENOLBS 1 X FMC. There was a benefit with the Melco. John Do I read this correctly? You have removed a switch from your system? Is the Renolabs relegated to audiophile coaster duties? 4
MattyW Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, evil c said: You're being tortured!!? What about me??? Assisi generously loans @frednork the ENO and overlooks me !!, Best we don't know what we're missing anyway, it's cheaper that way!, Especially after l just bought 3 of the Audio Revive Ethernet cables, I don't require any more excitement for the time being. Edit: Can't help yourself MattyW, self control of a Sailor in a house of ill repute! Well, if it turns out incredible in my system you may be in dire straits Clive. You know I'll report my findings back here. 1
frednork Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, evil c said: Especially after l just bought 3 of the Audio Revive Ethernet cables, I , At least you stopped after 3 Edited July 31, 2021 by frednork
Assisi Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 37 minutes ago, Stereophilus said: Do I read this correctly? You have removed a switch from your system? Is the Renolabs relegated to audiophile coaster duties? Yes the Reonlabs is no longer in the network. I decided that I wanted or needed two FMCs. So hence the Melco S100. It was ourely that there is not enough space for the Renolabs. It is boxed up and it will be going to a good home after we can make home visits The whole matter of optical and FMCs is work in progress. I need someone to visit and offer an opinion? John 1 1
dbastin Posted July 31, 2021 Author Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, frednork said: Am not sure it fits perfectly here but probably not in the switch thread even more so That was an interesting read. It might’ve fit better here .. But having said that, I have cables that have the kind of impact you describe. - Wireworld Platinum - Shunyata Sigma - JCAT Signature Gold - Synergistic Research Atmosphere X Reference ENO puts stuff in a box to achieve its outcome. https://www.networkacoustics.com/shop/eno-ethernet-filter/ Its like say TotalDAC USB 'cables', but TotalDAC ethernet cable has 'filtering' along the cable rather than a box. And let's not forget JCAT, Pink Faun, SOtM, Acoustic Revive, etc in-line ethernet isolator/filters Gigafoil is an elaborate in line filter. I use EtherRegen as in-line isolators, and wifi is the best isolator I've used so far. Edited July 31, 2021 by dbastin 1
frednork Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 Yep, After I wrote that I thought it is a bit like a cable, just with one plug rather than 2. Definitely not switch for me as it does no switching. I tried to look for the thread you listed above but failed miserably.
Assisi Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 On 31/07/2021 at 2:41 PM, evil c said: What about me??? Assisi generously loans @frednork the ENO and overlooks me !!, I thought that you had enough to go on with as you now had 3 of the red cables. I am sure that we will be able to catch up soon and you will be able to experience the ENO filter. John 1 1
Bass13 Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 On 31/07/2021 at 2:41 PM, evil c said: You're being tortured!!? What about me??? Assisi generously loans @frednork the ENO and overlooks me !!, Best we don't know what we're missing anyway, it's cheaper that way!, Especially after l just bought 3 of the Audio Revive Ethernet cables, I don't require any more excitement for the time being. No wonder you are know as Evil C On 31/07/2021 at 3:39 PM, frednork said: , At least you stopped after 3 5 hours ago, Assisi said: I thought that you had enough to go on with as you now had 3 of the red cables. I am sure that we will be able to catch up soon and you will be able to experience the ENO filter. John I have the sense of FOMO, feeling. 1
TDX Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 Hi all, I know the red acoustic revive is quite good and popular here. Anyone tried their top line product, quadrant? Any impression? https://www.monoandstereo.com/2021/01/new-acoustic-revive-lan-quadrant.html?m=1
dbastin Posted August 29, 2021 Author Posted August 29, 2021 A new Nordost here ... US$3k https://nordost.com/valhalla-reference/ethernet-cable.php NB. I still can't edit the List on the opening thread.
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