Replacement TV

[Meinoz]

Hi Guys and Gals

 

Ive been busy running my business and have been slack in keeping up to date. My current Samsung 62" Smart TV now has 3 vertical rows of lines that cannot be ignored and Im pretty sure 'Clive Anthonys' arent in a position to look at it under warranty *tongue in cheek

 

Anyway, with many choices Im hoping that with some narrowing down I can go hunting & gathering for a replacement suitable for my needs.

 

Whilst my heart says I need the biggest and best, my head tells me that last time I didnt use half the features.

 

My current requirements:

 

Seating approx 4m away

Lounge room with natural light that cant be controlled with curtains etc during the day (but is tinted)

View is not in front. My fav seat is to the side just off the edge of the TV

Mostly streaming via Chrome Ultra. Movies, Sport

Sound on TV muted and via sound system

The old TV struggled with dark scenes (but that could have been the light in the room or the wrong setting.)

Dont think theres anything else.

62" minimum (cant go backwards) but maybe a little bigger would be nice as long as I can get it on the Sanus VLT6 wall bracket

 

Cost: Not an issue, but Im not sure I can justify $5+ K for a TV anymore, esp given my poor room conditions.

 

I'll keep going through the threads as time permits and look forward to any suggested solutions.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

 

[mjs]

I suggest that the 75X9500G Sony is worth considering. Currently easily found in the low $4k range

[mjs]

In fact currently on special at HN at $3999

[Quark]

Consider an LG C9 65" OLED for a bit over $3K here using discount code P20GG.

[Quark]

Just now, Quark said:

Consider an LG C9 65" OLED for a bit over $3K here using discount code P20GG.

PS offer ends at midnight.

[Meinoz]

Thanks.

 

What is the current weakness in my setup that I need to look at most?

Light in the room or viewing angle? or is it just about finding a good quality, reasonable price OLED TV?

[mjs]

I don’t reckon 65” is big enough for 4m viewing distance, you will struggle to get OLED >65” for the price

[Meinoz]

3 minutes ago, mjs said:

I don’t reckon 65” is big enough for 4m viewing distance, you will struggle to get OLED >65” for the price

So a decent <65" will be over $5K? and I know, decent is subjective.

 

 

 

 

[mjs]

I’m not exactly sure what’s out there but OLEDs >65” have been rare up until recently. The current LG C9 77” is >$7k I think

[Meinoz]

Just to make sure Im understanding what Im reading.

 

In my room, LCD is brighter but worse when it comes to blacks. But in a light filled room is blacker blacks noticable?

 

LCD viewing angle needs an IPS panel for better viewing.

 

OLED has better viewing angle, contrast, colours, but not overly bright. So in my room I probably wont notice a huge improvement esp for the price increase.

 

Therefore Im probably best looking at the LED LCD in a larger screen ie 70+" which will give me better bang for buck. and bright enough for day viewing.

 

If I had a media room then OLED all the way.

 

Is this a realist summation or have I got my brightness' mixed up?

[mjs]

I think that what you have said is pretty much right.

The Sony X9500 models aren’t IPS, they are FALD and have some claimed wide viewing angle improvement, I certainly don’t have any issue with mine.

Despite the “showroom” factor, have a look at a retailer somewhere and form a view

[Tweaky]

I second the SONY option, it's probably your best bang for buck.

The problem with some, not all LED/LCD screen is they have a glass front, so seeing your reflection can be a distraction.

 

I'd check if I were you that any TV you bought was able to playback both HDR-10+ and Dolby Vision encoded material, or at least HDR-10+ [I think Panasonic are the only ones supporting both ATM] that will give you a bit of 'Future Proofing'.

 

As for not having as deep Blacks as OLED's, well that is true, but it's also relative to what you are used to.

I think it's the fact that OLED screens are not reflective makes a bigger impact than ultimate Black level.

 

Sony's FALD [Field Array Local Dimming] TV's a pretty good in that regard, it's LED/LCD designs with 'Edge Lite' panels that suffer this problem more.

 

There is a cheap upgrade you can apply to a LED/LCD display that tricks the eye into making the Blacks look Blacker than they actually are.

It's called Bias Lighting, which depending on if you have your TV mounted on the wall, or on a stand, will require either a single strip on D65 calibrated LED's stuck on the back of the TV [Stand Mount] or 4 smaller strips stuck around each edge of the TV if wall mounted.

Both work on the same principle, they create a Halo around the TV, which makes any Black reproduced by the TV a lot Blacker due to the Halo being brighter.

But if you have your TV in a room that constantly has a lot of ambient light going on around the TV, they might not make that much difference.

 

I just bought some for my stand mount 65" for $99 delivered.

https://www.biaslighting.com.au/

Edited November 4, 2019 by Tweaky

[agelessgoodguy]

Sony 80" will work out well at that viewing distance these days and as others have said its a good buy with many features too. But here's trick get someone to go to Costco and get their price then take it to a Sony shop and they price match and give more in value with add ons. Way to go...

[Tweaky]

Bing Lee do the same

 

The REAL trick is to KNOW when to buy !

 

November is good, but March is ALWAYS the best time for MEGA discounts.

 

The reason is that all the manufacturers show all their new to year models at CES in Las Vegas, which is usually held on about the 7th -10th of Jan each year.

Thos new models don't start hitting AUS shores till around June / July.....so all the old stock in the warehouses has to be sold first......hence the discounts, which depends on how much stock are in the warehouses, and how  big the TV is [Bigger are usually harder to move- but usually there are less of them in the warehouses] so you have to time it right.

Edited November 4, 2019 by Tweaky

[betty boop]

@Meinoz as a heads up sitting 4m fro ma 65" you wont even resolve 1080p HDTV let alone Ultrahd. need to be sitting 2.57m from a 65" to resolve 1080p. Even forgetting resolution, THX recommended for immersion is under 2m

 

so definitely need to go bigger...

 

9 hours ago, Meinoz said:

Lounge room with natural light that cant be controlled with curtains etc during the day (but is tinted)

this would eliminate projectors which would be more suitable at this sort of distance....

 

9 hours ago, Meinoz said:

View is not in front. My fav seat is to the side just off the edge of the TV

we have seats to side in our setup and can tell you a non ips will not be good... not for me anyways ....what decent IPS sets are there out there in larger than 65" ? 

 

 i would suggest just on the viewing angle would mean you want an OLED ? though even a 65 oled as can be seen here is $3k for the LG or $5k for upper panas. goodness knows what larger than that set will cost ! 

 

the contrast of OLEDs is not to be dispensed ....

 

 

 

[Tweaky]

The contrast difference of a OLED, is I agree, not to be dispensed.

But from the OP's statement about viewing conditions, I doubt they would be truly appreciated the difference.

Especially since most viewing is Streamed content .....if it were 4K disc content....well that's a different matter

Edited November 4, 2019 by Tweaky

[Meinoz]

Thanks everyone, looks like I need to either pay more or go as big as possible.

[Irek]

This one looks nice. 

https://store.sony.com.au/television-4K-X9500/KD75X9500G.html#prefn1=screenSize&prefv1=75"+(189+cm)|85"+(215cm)&start=1

 

[mjs]

3 hours ago, agelessgoodguy said:

Sony 80" will work out well at that viewing distance these days and as others have said its a good buy with many features too. But here's trick get someone to go to Costco and get their price then take it to a Sony shop and they price match and give more in value with add ons. Way to go...

Sony is either 75" or 85"

[mjs]

55 minutes ago, Irek said:

This one looks nice. 

https://store.sony.com.au/television-4K-X9500/KD75X9500G.html#prefn1=screenSize&prefv1=75"+(189+cm)|85"+(215cm)&start=1

 

Sony store is >$5k, but this is currently <$4K at HN

[Meinoz]

12 hours ago, betty boop said:

@Meinoz as a heads up sitting 4m fro ma 65" you wont even resolve 1080p HDTV let alone Ultrahd. need to be sitting 2.57m from a 65" to resolve 1080p. Even forgetting resolution, THX recommended for immersion is under 2m

 

so definitely need to go bigger...

 

this would eliminate projectors which would be more suitable at this sort of distance....

 

we have seats to side in our setup and can tell you a non ips will not be good... not for me anyways ....what decent IPS sets are there out there in larger than 65" ? 

 

 i would suggest just on the viewing angle would mean you want an OLED ? though even a 65 oled as can be seen here is $3k for the LG or $5k for upper panas. goodness knows what larger than that set will cost ! 

 

the contrast of OLEDs is not to be dispensed ....

 

 

 

Given I cant sit closer without the lounge room looking weird (Zero chance of MoF acceptance). 

 

and I cant afford an 85" or bigger OLED. Im guessing a 75" LCD will have to do.

[Nevyn72]

4 minutes ago, Meinoz said:

.....and I cant afford an 85" or bigger OLED. Im guessing a 75" LCD will have to do.

With everything you have said so far;

- difficult lighting conditions

- non-premium (ie. not 4K/UHD) content

- seating distance

- let's be honest a very modest offset (the edge of the screen at ~4m is almost directly in front in real terms)

 

A 75" LCD is the best solution, particularly a quality unit like the Sony X95. (you could compare the Samsung Q series for a more expensive option if you want)

 

IMHO you are unlikely to see enough benefit from the significant extra cost of going OLED in that size range unless you plan on making changes to the light control of the environment and dramatically increasing the amount of 4K/UHD you watch that you still won't be able to resolve at that distance anyway......

[mjs]

Sony 75X9500G would be my recommendation

[Meinoz]

Thanks for the responses. I just need to get to a store now and have a look for myself.

[Full Range]

I recently purchased this 70” LG