"The Irishman" - hype hype hype and more hype

[zippi]

If it's half as good - it'll be a film of the year, however is it the case of a bit too much hype???

 

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by zippi

[Mobe1969]

Yeah, I see it more as I guess an experimental foray into digital effects for Scorsese, and will expect it won't be perfect.

 

Irrespective of the director though, the whole concept of digital de-aging in films doesn't sit well with me. Maybe each time they do it, they get slightly better, but it will never be anything I'd ever look for in a movie, that I would wish for. Eg, I'd never think "Gee this movie would have been sooooo much better if they had old Actor X in that role, de-aged, rather than young Actor Y"

[GregWormald]

2 hours ago, Mobe1969 said:

Yeah, I see it more as I guess an experimental foray into digital effects for Scorsese, and will expect it won't be perfect.

 

Irrespective of the director though, the whole concept of digital de-aging in films doesn't sit well with me. Maybe each time they do it, they get slightly better, but it will never be anything I'd ever look for in a movie, that I would wish for. Eg, I'd never think "Gee this movie would have been sooooo much better if they had old Actor X in that role, de-aged, rather than young Actor Y"

What cracks me up is that they would seemingly rather have an actor that looks like the original person than an actor who can act!

 

It's one reason I watch fewer movies now than at any time in my life.

[Mobe1969]

4 hours ago, GregWormald said:

What cracks me up is that they would seemingly rather have an actor that looks like the original person than an actor who can act!

 

It's one reason I watch fewer movies now than at any time in my life.

Well, now I have my home theater, I watch and rewatch more movies than ever... I had 5 weeks holiday and watched 162 movies.... That said, 95% of those 162 were movies I'd seen before and wanted to rewatch...

 

Of new movies that come out, I honestly can't remember the last one I was hanging out to see that I hadn't seen before. If you asked me today, 2hat movie I hadn't seen that I was wanting to see, I'd say Ad Astra, although I know nothing about it, and don't watch trailers. I'm looking forward to It Hobbs and Shaw, also all media unseen

[cafe67]

Can Scorsese make any other sort of movie ???

[Mobe1969]

1 hour ago, cafe67 said:

Can Scorsese make any other sort of movie ???

Crime films, you mean? To be honest my favorite Scorsese films aren't the crime ones.  I'd probably put Silence as my favorite. Hugo was a real departure for him though.

[cafe67]

Good point Ive got silence on dvd havent watched it yet and forgot about hugo. 

[zippi]

2 hours ago, cafe67 said:

Can Scorsese make any other sort of movie ???

29 minutes ago, cafe67 said:

Good point Ive got silence on dvd havent watched it yet and forgot about hugo. 

 

Also you may have forgotten:

 

Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (1974)

Taxi Driver (1976)

New York, New York (1977)
Raging Bull (1980)
The King of Comedy (1983)
After Hours (1985)
The Last Temptation of Christ (1988),  
Cape Fear (1991)

Kundun (1997)
The Aviator (2004)
Shutter Island (2010)

The Wolf of Wall Street (2013)

 

plus rock music documentaries:
The Last Waltz (1978),
No Direction Home (2005),
Shine a Light (2008),
George Harrison: Living in the Material World (2011), and
Rolling Thunder Revue: A Bob Dylan Story by Martin Scorsese (2019)

 

 

Even the likes of The Departed (2006) and Gangs of NY (2002) are not of the Goodfellas/Casino formula.

[turnthetable]

Positive review at The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/oct/13/the-irishman-review-martin-scorseses-finest-film-for-30-years

[keyse1]

On 27/09/2019 at 12:57 PM, zippi said:

If it's half as good - it'll be a film of the year, however is it the case of a bit too much hype???

 

 

Only seeing the movie can answer that

[unclemack]

On 01/10/2019 at 2:48 PM, cafe67 said:

Can Scorsese make any other sort of movie ???

Seriously??.

[zippi]

30 minutes ago, keyse1 said:

Only seeing the movie can answer that

that coupled with seeing every other significant film released the same year. however the thrust of the hint was toward too much hype. I do not doubt the film is at least competent if not mindblowingly excellent, however there is an argument here to be made - where does acting stop and CGI begin? And is this the reason for such level of hype - the extensive (gamble with?) role of / use of CGI to enable DeNiro to act as the protagonist in his 20s, 30s, 40s, 60s, 80s at various points in the film plot?

 

Are we on the cusp of starting to see roles given by deceased actors/actresses via the cgi tech?

Edited October 14, 2019 by zippi

[GregWormald]

1 hour ago, zippi said:

Are we on the cusp of starting to see roles given by deceased actors/actresses via the cgi tech?

AFAIK it's already been done--Carrie Fisher in the latest of the Star Wars films.

[cafe67]

2 hours ago, unclemack said:

Seriously??.

I’ll try a different line .......What movies is he best known for ? 
 

it’s a bit like Ford Coppola , mention his name and movies spring to mind pretty much immediately ?

Edited October 14, 2019 by cafe67

[zippi]

16 hours ago, GregWormald said:

AFAIK it's already been done--Carrie Fisher in the latest of the Star Wars films.

Indeed, however from hazy memory that was just a minor episode role rather than a front to back lead and a film anchor. Also somewhat post-haste thing that had to be done to save the film in production due to Fisher's early sudden passing. Maybe motivated by Princess Leia nostalgia/popularity and also fan sadness at her sudden passing...etc...

 

Also was it CGI or just unreleased footage shot for previous SW films made to fit? I believe the latter - at least mostly.

 

With Irishman - thankfully no one has passed away to warrant the CGI. There are ummpteeen thousands of actors that would be amply capable of acting convincingly and emphatically as De Niro's character in earlier years. So no need for CGI as such - and I can't help thinking it whiffs of a kind of fetish. Also from what I've seen - it's seems like the CGI De Niro is a noticeably less real person than others around him in those "younger self" scenes, which would very much detract from the film (in my book).

 

 

A Disclaimer: Just going by the "The Irishman" trailers - haven't seen the film yet and fully intend to do so. Would also encourage anyone else inclined to see it -  to go and see it and not otherwise.

[zippi]

15 hours ago, cafe67 said:

I’ll try a different line .......What movies is he best known for ? 
 

it’s a bit like Ford Coppola , mention his name and movies spring to mind pretty much immediately ?

yes - see the ones in bold type below.

 

On 01/10/2019 at 5:03 PM, zippi said:

 

Also you may have forgotten:

 

Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (1974)

Taxi Driver (1976)

New York, New York (1977)
Raging Bull (1980)
The King of Comedy (1983)
After Hours (1985)
The Last Temptation of Christ (1988),  
Cape Fear (1991)

Kundun (1997)
The Aviator (2004)
Shutter Island (2010)

The Wolf of Wall Street (2013)

 

plus rock music documentaries:
The Last Waltz (1978),
No Direction Home (2005),
Shine a Light (2008),
George Harrison: Living in the Material World (2011), and
Rolling Thunder Revue: A Bob Dylan Story by Martin Scorsese (2019)

 

 

Even the likes of The Departed (2006) and Gangs of NY (2002) are not of the Goodfellas/Casino formula.

and to this as an afterthought I would add Mean Streets, Casino and Goodfellas.

[keyse1]

On 27/09/2019 at 9:47 PM, Mobe1969 said:

Well, now I have my home theater, I watch and rewatch more movies than ever... I had 5 weeks holiday and watched 162 movies.... That said, 95% of those 162 were movies I'd seen before and wanted to rewatch...

 

Of new movies that come out, I honestly can't remember the last one I was hanging out to see that I hadn't seen before. If you asked me today, 2hat movie I hadn't seen that I was wanting to see, I'd say Ad Astra, although I know nothing about it, and don't watch trailers. I'm looking forward to It Hobbs and Shaw, also all media unseen

5 movies a day

That is a record

like what movies

There are a lot of great movies over the last few years and for me the only way to see one is at the cinema

 

 

[keyse1]

22 hours ago, zippi said:

that coupled with seeing every other significant film released the same year. however the thrust of the hint was toward too much hype. I do not doubt the film is at least competent if not mindblowingly excellent, however there is an argument here to be made - where does acting stop and CGI begin? And is this the reason for such level of hype - the extensive (gamble with?) role of / use of CGI to enable DeNiro to act as the protagonist in his 20s, 30s, 40s, 60s, 80s at various points in the film plot?

 

Are we on the cusp of starting to see roles given by deceased actors/actresses via the cgi tech?

We already see dead rock stars on stage with a band

That is sick not just the idea but the people who go to see them

As for de ageing that’s just computers 

After seeing the destruction of every famous structure or landmark in the world multiple times in floods fires tidal waves bombs volcanos a bit of computer generated youthfulness won’t worry me

The Irishman is getting good reviews in respectable newspapers by film critics so that’s promising

My understanding of hype is excessive advertising for very bad movies

 

[stereoman]

Watched Gemini Man the other day.... its got a de-aged Will Smith in it. Will Smith does not even look that old to begin with. His CGI younger self looked like a 16yo (much younger than the 23 it was supposed to be). It was convincing until he spoke. Something about the facial animation was off.

 

The tech has still got a ways to go I reckon.

Edited October 15, 2019 by stereophile

[zippi]

@stereophile my feelings re the Irishman trailers exactly. "It just seems off " is the best way to describe it and why would you shortchange a potentially colossal movie like that - with essentially a gimmick.

 

Full respect to De Niro and Scorcese (among my absolute favourite actors and directors respectively), however I'm cringing over those trailers and the more I hear the story is awesome, film has great reviews - my cringing only increases. I feel it's a shame and a big opportunity missed + the team know it too, I'm sure. There's no way they don't, but now is not the time for it as the thing needs promoting to recoup the investment.

 

Perhaps at some point this tech will be no different to good makeup and you gotta start somewhere etc... all I know is that for me it feels waaaayyyy off the mark.

[cafe67]

18 minutes ago, stereophile said:

Watched Gemini Man the other day.... its got a de-aged Will Smith in it. Will Smith does not even look that old to begin with. His CGI younger self looked like a 16yo (much younger than the 23 it was supposed to be). It was convincing until he spoke. Something about the facial animation was off.

 

The tech has still got a ways to go I reckon.

What I thought would have been funny was to have will smith playing young person and Samuel Jackson playing old person. 

[Mobe1969]

On 15/10/2019 at 3:08 PM, keyse1 said:

5 movies a day

That is a record

like what movies

There are a lot of great movies over the last few years and for me the only way to see one is at the cinema

 

 

I logged them all. Low brow to high brow... Mostly low brow... I've a wide taste...

[stevoz]

On 27/09/2019 at 5:39 PM, GregWormald said:

What cracks me up is that they would seemingly rather have an actor that looks like the original person than an actor who can act!

 

It's one reason I watch fewer movies now than at any time in my life.

Are you saying that Robert De Niro can't act?!

[GregWormald]

3 hours ago, stevoz said:

Are you saying that Robert De Niro can't act?!

No.

[zippi]

An interesting article on ABC: Martin Scorsese struck a deal with Netflix for The Irishman — and cinemas aren't happy

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/martin-scorsese-struck-a-deal-with-netflix-to-make-the-irishman/11669284

Edited November 6, 2019 by zippi