ALDI vinyl

[Martykt]

On 21/08/2019 at 4:10 PM, metal beat said:

They are called Bootlegs.      Someone should call ARIA and have Aldi shut down and stop selling them

 

stay away and support the artist not crooks.

While I completely agree with protecting the artists rights and standing up against bootlegs do you have any actual proof or inside knowledge that the vinyl Aldi are selling are definitely bootlegs and Aldi or Musicbank haven't made an agreement for limited rights for a selection of albums?

What are you basing your claim that these albums are bootlegs?

[ThirdDrawerDown]

Live Pearl Jam is a little hard to chase down for rights and ownership, because the band released so many of their live shows themselves anyway.

 

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support the artist not crooks.

This is why you should buy from bandcamp and not from the record company.  Just saying.

Edited August 22, 2019 by ThirdDrawerDown

[aussievintage]

2 hours ago, metal beat said:

LDI buys more from Australian companies than Coles or Woolworths?   Really?? 

No, but how many in those larger percentages are making enough profit to survive?    What is the long term cost of the market control we are handing to the big companies.   Already,  companies like Woolworths are reducing the number of brands they stock, to only those that they can squeeze into outrageous deals, and their own brands of course.

[chronomancer]

6 hours ago, stevoz said:

 A lot of Australians can't afford to be so moral....and I don't say that to offend at all....it's just a reality for some in this 'lucky country'. You have to remember that with Aldi, 95% of those 'copied' brands are Australian made, possibly helping many smaller Australian producers (fresh and packaged) to survive or even thrive. I think they are keeping the very questionable Coles and Woolworths on their toes....someone has to reign in those two local retailers and their frankly 'dodgy' practices that often squeeze local producers into submission.....my two cents worth.

Fun fact: The term 'lucky country' comes from the book of the same name by Donald Horne. While it's been bastardised into some sort of term of endearment, it was originally coined to describe the country's fake prosperity.

 

From Wiki 

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Horne's intent in writing the book was to portray Australia's climb to power and wealth based almost entirely on luck rather than the strength of its political or economic system, which Horne believed was "second rate". In addition to political and economic weaknesses, he also lamented on the lack of innovation and ambition, as well as a philistinism in the absence of art, among the Australian population, viewed by Horne as being complacent and indifferent to intellectual matters. He also commented on matters relating to Australian puritanism, as well as conservatism, particularly in relation to censorship and politics.

[fodderstomf]

So if you somehow get ALDI to stop selling these are you next going to get Discrepancy and everyone to stop stocking DOL releases and all those other"grey" market labels ?

 

Red Dot And Reject Shop have been selling stuff for the last couple of years  nothing new 

Edited August 23, 2019 by fodderstomf

[manchu]

19 hours ago, stevoz said:

A lot of Australians can't afford to be so moral

 

I'd love to always shop at my local IGA,  but when their cheapest sausages are more expensive than eye fillet from Aldi morals tend to  take a back seat.  

[stevoz]

17 hours ago, chronomancer said:

Fun fact: The term 'lucky country' comes from the book of the same name by Donald Horne. While it's been bastardised into some sort of term of endearment, it was originally coined to describe the country's fake prosperity.

....and what prosperity we have is not shared fairly.

[Luc]

@chronomancer It's not really a fun fact is it?

 

The Lucky Country by Donald Horne came out in the Menzies period, in that happy time our parents lived in.(well mine lived in)

Donald Horne struck a phrase and it resonated at an age well after the book and the 'Left' appropriated it as a form of denigration and it remains as that to this day, it's used as a sparmy put down. It's a shame it's used this way and I think that that is what your trying to get across here.

 

The Tyranny of Distance is the other remarkable  trope and coined by comrades in arms (in as much as they were teachers and writers and educators who veered away from each other but yet acknowledged their position in the pantheon of Australia's history wars.(Prof Donald Horne and  Prof Geoffrey Blainey)

 

# Suggestion. Absolutely never ever post a Wikipedia entry as a substantive in your argument for legitimacy .

Just chase up some actual verifiable facts.

 

Source is all...

 

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

On 23/08/2019 at 8:00 PM, Luc said:

@chronomancer It's not really a fun fact is it?

 

The Lucky Country by Donald Horne came out in the Menzies period, in that happy time our parents lived in.(well mine lived in).

No. The book title was facetious. (Reference: Conley, T. (2009). The Vulnerable Country: Australia and the Global Economy. Australia: University of New South Wales Press.).

 

Edited August 24, 2019 by furtherpale

[EV Cali]

On 22/08/2019 at 2:35 PM, Marc said:

Thanks to this thread I picked up on this and have now been in communication with ARIA and ALDI.

ARIA are talking with Music Rights Australia and investigating further, while ALDI have promised me an official comment.

Hi @Marc

Any update or response in relation to this matter yet.

[Wimbo]

On 23/08/2019 at 12:34 AM, chronomancer said:

Fun fact: The term 'lucky country' comes from the book of the same name by Donald Horne. While it's been bastardised into some sort of term of endearment, it was originally coined to describe the country's fake prosperity.

 

From Wiki 

I remember this era, just and enjoyed it. Donald Horne sounds like your Typical "Expert" journalist with an axe to grind. His Education is listed on WIKI as University of Sydney, FFS.

{Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise}

Too bad he's dead, or I'd wack him.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Wimbo

[Spider27]

Is copyright still apply to live recording? I guess that MusicDirect is live recording company in Germany and they might recorded this live and then put them onto vinyl? 

 

A friend of mine bought a few from Aldi last week and I had a chance to have a listen to them on Sunday afternoon (yesterday) and both Bruce Springsteen and Guns N Roses live LPs sold by Aldi sound terrible as hell.

[aussievintage]

9 minutes ago, Spider27 said:

Bruce Springsteen and Guns N Roses live LPs sold by Aldi sound terrible as hell.

Not near as bad as true bootlegs I have heard, some recorded by people in the audience on cassette tapes by the sound of it

[Guest Muon N']

In general the live records I have had in the past are not worth listening to, one was a double LP by Bowie, cant recall the title.....and these are official ones. Give me a studio recording over live nearly every time.

[stevoz]

10 minutes ago, Muon N' said:

In general the live records I have had in the past are not worth listening to, one was a double LP by Bowie, cant recall the title.....and these are official ones. Give me a studio recording over live nearly every time.

Yes, you are right.....however, there are indeed some good live recordings out there and when you get a beauty, the results can be spine tingling!

 

Having said that, most of my outstanding live recordings are on blu ray......

Edited August 26, 2019 by stevoz

[Guest Muon N']

3 minutes ago, stevoz said:

Yes, you are right.....however, there are indeed some good live recordings out there and when you get a beauty, the results can be spine tingling!

 

Having said that, most of my outstanding live recordings are on blu ray......

There are some good ones, Portishead Dummy is one.....though the bad outnumber the good by a long shot from the ones I've had....saying that my sample number is small so far from definitive

 

I'm specifically talking vinyl though.

[Spider27]

18 minutes ago, Muon N' said:

In general the live records I have had in the past are not worth listening to, one was a double LP by Bowie, cant recall the title.....and these are official ones. Give me a studio recording over live nearly every time.

I generally prefer studio album too and one of few exceptions was AC/DC live double LP albums. The live recording was much better than studio albums and it got me more excited to listen to those live albums than studio albums.

 

RE: Aldi LPs', Bruce Springsteen was listenable (barely ok) but Guns N Roses were just terrible and could not take more than one song and ask my friend to take it off from the TT and do not waste stylus on it.

[stevoz]

45 minutes ago, Muon N' said:

There are some good ones, Portishead Dummy is one.....though the bad outnumber the good by a long shot from the ones I've had....saying that my sample number is small so far from definitive

 

I'm specifically talking vinyl though.

 

Absolutely true.

[audiofeline]

FYI, I've started a topic in the music forum to discuss higher-audio-quality recordings (released on CD/records).

 

[aussievintage]

I have to say, I have just seen these very same vinyl albums, plus some other similar, for sale in a Reject Store.  $20 ea, so Aldi is still cheaper

[santakj]

re the bootleg comment...isn't the artist in this case deceased?

[Candyflip]

1 hour ago, santakj said:

re the bootleg comment...isn't the artist in this case deceased?

Death makes no difference to copyright laws.

Only time and contract law does.

[H.E. Pennypacker]

12 minutes ago, candyflip said:

Death makes no difference to copyright laws.

Only time and contract law does.

It’s not too common for the artist to own their content either.

[audiofeline]

2 hours ago, santakj said:

re the bootleg comment...isn't the artist in this case deceased?

 

52 minutes ago, candyflip said:

Death makes no difference to copyright laws.

Only time and contract law does.

 

Yes, when the artist dies the copyright would be viewed as an asset that is passed onto the estate.  There are many cases when the new owners are not considered to be very good at managing what they've inherited (eg. Jimi Hendrix's estate).

[benny]

The Gunners LP sounds like total garbage.

Serves me right for setting my morals aside.