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Hi SNAers,

 

Just wanted to get a feel for these carts? ATM they have some good deals on them and wondering whether I pull the trigger on it. I think around $1600?

Online reviews seem to be reasonably good and mentions a great soundstage. I currently have the Rega Ania which is my first MC cart which I'm pretty happy with regardless but the deals ATM on the Ortofon is good to consider.

 

Would be on a RB700 tonearm.

Any feedback on other carts around the same money? Also, any feedback on people who have owned them and found anything worth considering as a positive or negative.

 

TIA.

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I tried the black version on my Thorens 124mk2 with sme 3009, up against my tricked out Rega p9 with rb 1000 and Jubilee cart..

 

Mounted with the Credenza black, the 124 edged the Rega P9 out with some margin.

 

Only had that cart here for a day so that IS my take on them

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Which Cadenza though? I had a couple of Blacks and they were excellent but I'd be surprised if you could get one for anything like $1600. If you could then I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.

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Blue. Sorry didn't add that in.

There's deals going on them ATM. I think the black is the same price as a bronze? 

 

It was about the detail and sound stage for the blue. Whether it's worth it or are there better carts for the $1500 ish price range.

 

I was recommended to consider the Audio Techica ART9? But the guys at the shop said no, and of course the Blue Ortofon instead. 

 

Black is out of my budget. 

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Just got an email from Brian Maddern at Decibel
Ortofon are doing a “model-up” promotion.
Eg. Cadenza blue for price of red, save $800
Sounds like a good deal.
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@Yardbird  have not heard the cadenza blue, but reviews are positive, i have a quintet blue, in one blog the guy was selling his quintet black, keeping his blue, said the black was to polished for his liking, the site ,positive review has a lenghty review, basic comment was that the cadenza blue was a cartridge lived with easily, going to the bronze or black gave incremental gains, value for money,?, only if you have the money to spend

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I still have a Kontrapunkt B which is probably the same thing repacked. It's so hard to recommend cartridges because there are lots of things at play.

It was a good cartridge, nice deep bass and not excessive treble and good sound stage. The ART 9 is a very popular cart but I've never heard it myself. Others to consider in that range may be the Benz. If the blue is at the price of the red it sounds like a good deal that might not be seen again for some time. The bronze surprises me with an aluminium cantilever and it is meant to be better but that might be a stretch over your budget. 

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9 hours ago, wen said:

@Yardbird  have not heard the cadenza blue, but reviews are positive, i have a quintet blue, in one blog the guy was selling his quintet black, keeping his blue, said the black was to polished for his liking, the site ,positive review has a lenghty review, basic comment was that the cadenza blue was a cartridge lived with easily, going to the bronze or black gave incremental gains, value for money,?, only if you have the money to spend

Cheers Wen, seems to be pretty consistent with many of the online reviews. 

Seems to be good value for what it represents against some of the other carts.

I've read that the blue seems to be the best value against what to expect with detail and stage.

 

Figure just to order and see how it is with my own ears.

Cheers. 

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Cheers @Uglu

 

That's the cart that Ortofon made their name on, Kontrapunkt B?

I think it's just the newer version of this? Reading up a little last night said good things. Hard to find something negative about this cart. 

The ART9, the shop went Meh, as expected cause that whlant to sell what they have, not what they don't. It's make it easier to hear it first, but that won't happen at the shop any time fast. So, a little blind leading the blind here. 

Let's see and I'll come back at a later stage with hopefully some review on listening.

 

@Batty I'll check those carts out too. Cheers. 

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Have heard the Black, in fact this will be my next cart, but I would mirror what a lot have already said, the Blue probably hits a great spot in terms of price and performance.

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9 hours ago, Yardbird said:

Cheers @Uglu

 

That's the cart that Ortofon made their name on, Kontrapunkt B?

I think it's just the newer version of this? Reading up a little last night said good things. Hard to find something negative about this cart. 

The ART9, the shop went Meh, as expected cause that whlant to sell what they have, not what they don't. It's make it easier to hear it first, but that won't happen at the shop any time fast. So, a little blind leading the blind here. 

Let's see and I'll come back at a later stage with hopefully some review on listening.

 

@Batty I'll check those carts out too. Cheers. 

Yes, I've been in the position when a shop trashed something I was after but they didn't sell. Just to be told a year later that -what they trashed- was the best ever and what they attempted to sell me before was bad -of course they didn't sell it any more.

 

It was the same salesman, obviously I had better memory than him or he had no shame.

Going back to the cart, I have several carts, all lesser than the Kontrapunkt and I am considering buying another cart in that level or retipp the kontrapunkt.

 

The Kontrapunkt B provided me plenty of pleasure, it is a good cartridge but I am not 100% sure I would like to have it again.

I've received today an AT OC9III which I am going to use until I make up my mind. Apparently it has a similar sound signature to the ART9, so far I can tell you that I have like it right from the beginning, I don't know after a proper break in period but it is unlikely to get worse. If in the end you buy the Cadenza blue you can't go wrong paying the price of the red, it's a serious discount and if you don't like it once the discount is gone you can probably recover most of your money selling as a low hours cart.

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Sounds like a plan Ugly. I'll order and see how the get on. 

The sales guys are a little ott, that's why I prefer the peers reviews and forums such as this. Although I haven't had anyone come back direct on this cart, I've been able to work through and decide to pull the trigger anyway.

 

Re the cart you got today, I'd love to get some feedback on it once you've broken it in. Likewise I'll come back on this with my ideas around the cart once I've secured and ordered it. And after its broken in.

 

Cheers. 

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On 24/06/2019 at 8:41 PM, Yardbird said:

Sounds like a plan Ugly. I'll order and see how the get on. 

The sales guys are a little ott, that's why I prefer the peers reviews and forums such as this. Although I haven't had anyone come back direct on this cart, I've been able to work through and decide to pull the trigger anyway.

 

Re the cart you got today, I'd love to get some feedback on it once you've broken it in. Likewise I'll come back on this with my ideas around the cart once I've secured and ordered it. And after its broken in.

 

Cheers. 

I am surprised nobody commented yet on the blue. I am still tempted to use that offer as I had in mind getting something better than this Audio Technica but I don't want to rush and I'll be more keen in experimenting with the Gold or Black but the discount is not enough on those to entice me and they remain too expensive considering I have other things on my mind. The AT is not fully broken in but I don't think the changes from now on would be so dramatic. It is a very good cartridge and for the money excellent value, I am not sure I really need much better but I am still open to the idea. It has loosen up more and the balance has shifted a little bit more towards the highs not in a bad way but initially the bass was more predominant and since my set up is already a bit bright this cartridge is adding a bit more on the same lines. Bottom line so far I am still happy but I wonder how the ART9 would compare. Some people think that I am getting 90% of the ART for half the money. Let me know what you think of the blue. 

Cheers

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I've heard the Red v the Quintet Bronze. Tonally similar but the Cadenza had better micro dynamics, scale and insight. The Q Bronze was also very good but the C Red stepped everything up a bit and was more resolved and had more bite. 

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That's interesting Uglu. I'd be good to understand a little feedback from the AT once its broken in. I'm in the same boat with the current Ania. I figure it just broke in cause everything opened up and started to sound really quite detailed. I was enjoying this, however with a great deal on the Ortofon I jumped in. I figure I'll fit it up tomorrow and listen for different stages over 20, 30 and 50 hours and see if I can hear any developments as it breaks in.

Guess I'll have to pass on the Ania now which is a cart that I love cause it was my first MC but most likely and hopefully no need to go back to.

At this stage, no real feedback for the Blue through the forum except just now with @Mr ThorensThorens. Many of the online reviews said good things rather than bad and suggested that the blue was where it really starts stepping up. So I'm keen to hear that unfold.

Mr Thorens, thanks for the feedback. At least someone has listen to the Q so only good things from here on I hope. I'll happily pass on some of my own feedback once it's set up. I'm going to demo a Rega Aria after about 50 hours, to pair of the cart as the phono stage however the next challenge will be what PS? Any suggested PS with dip switches between 50&200 Ohms?

Cheers. 

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51 minutes ago, Yardbird said:

That's interesting Uglu. I'd be good to understand a little feedback from the AT once its broken in. I'm in the same boat with the current Ania. I figure it just broke in cause everything opened up and started to sound really quite detailed. I was enjoying this, however with a great deal on the Ortofon I jumped in. I figure I'll fit it up tomorrow and listen for different stages over 20, 30 and 50 hours and see if I can hear any developments as it breaks in.

Guess I'll have to pass on the Ania now which is a cart that I love cause it was my first MC but most likely and hopefully no need to go back to.

At this stage, no real feedback for the Blue through the forum except just now with @Mr ThorensThorens. Many of the online reviews said good things rather than bad and suggested that the blue was where it really starts stepping up. So I'm keen to hear that unfold.

Mr Thorens, thanks for the feedback. At least someone has listen to the Q so only good things from here on I hope. I'll happily pass on some of my own feedback once it's set up. I'm going to demo a Rega Aria after about 50 hours, to pair of the cart as the phono stage however the next challenge will be what PS? Any suggested PS with dip switches between 50&200 Ohms?

Cheers. 

How much is your limit for the phono stage? Have you heard the Aria yet? I am now a firm believer the phono stage is something you really cannot neglect at all. There are plenty out there but getting the right one is as hard as the cartridge. 

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Haven't given it much though at the moment as the pre I have seems to have a decent stage in it. It's only a Emotiva XSP-1 Gen 2. But I've currently been using loaded RCA plugs to get in the cracks as far as factory Ohm settings 100, 470 and 1k which is really noticeable. So the Rega would be a direct comparison. If it's a small difference, then $1800 for the Rega would be hard to justify.

 

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6 minutes ago, Yardbird said:

Haven't given it much though at the moment as the pre I have seems to have a decent stage in it. It's only a Emotiva XSP-1 Gen 2. But I've currently been using loaded RCA plugs to get in the cracks as far as factory Ohm settings 100, 470 and 1k which is really noticeable. So the Rega would be a direct comparison. If it's a small difference, then $1800 for the Rega would be hard to justify.

 

I can't comment specifically on the emotiva  phono but considering the value of the rega Aria which is about the same or even more than the whole emotiva. you are likely to have something much better in the Aria particularly for an MC.

 

I've just changed my PS, the aria was good and I don't mind it but for my taste the highs and mid highs were a bit subdue, good bass and very musical thought.

 

I bought a Cyrus phono signature, a bit more expensive but with some very good points over the rega. If he hasn't sold it, there was a member selling here a Plinius Koru for $1950 you could consider that too is definitely a good stage. The three of them for the price would be a good choice but it depends on how revealing your speakers are otherwise they might just end up sounding a bit different without giving you much more detail.

To open another front you could also consider a SUT regardless of the phono stage having MC input, but that is another step you could consider later. 

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@Uglu Thanks! I'll check out some of this info once my cart is broken in and understand what value this brings to stage and image etc. I didn't know about SUT, so this seems interesting and might be a way I go instead. Got to read up a little me thinks.

I did demo the Aria in store and although it sounded great, on their gear I am still wondering. Also, the dips are settled at 47, 100, 470 etc from memory. Rega suggests that the Ohms setting for the Ania is at 100, where as I felt that the stage and image and response was better around 165 to 235. So, a little experimenting required. 

 

I'll keep you posted.

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Same with me, most mc manufacturers tend to recommend 100 ohms load when used with a phono stage, but that doesn't always sound quite the best for me either, your set up might play a part on what setting sound best. Being able to adjust load, capacitance and gain gives you a very welcomed extra flexibility. Enjoy the Ortofon!

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54 minutes ago, Uglu said:

most mc manufacturers tend to recommend 100 ohms load when used with a phono stage,

 

Where did you get this idea from, U?

 

Benz recommended >470 ohms for my (first edition) Benz LP - however, I found it sounded best @ 3,300 ohms.

The recommendation for the current LPS is >400 ohms.

 

Likewise the Gold Note Donatello has a recommendation for 470 ohms.

 

Andy

 

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20 hours ago, andyr said:

 

Where did you get this idea from, U?

 

Benz recommended >470 ohms for my (first edition) Benz LP - however, I found it sounded best @ 3,300 ohms.

The recommendation for the current LPS is >400 ohms.

 

Likewise the Gold Note Donatello has a recommendation for 470 ohms.

 

Andy

 

I've got it from the printed manuals of several MC cartridges I have owned, like Denon, Ortofon, Audio Technica.

 

A bit of reading of reputable magazines will come up with a similar indication for lots of cartridges which I haven't owned.

 

It is also the default setting on a large number of phono stages.

 

I hope that answers your question of where I've got the "idea" from.

 

Thank you!

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1 hour ago, Uglu said:

I've got it from the printed manuals of several MC cartridges I have owned, like Denon, Ortofon, Audio Technica.

 

A bit of reading of reputable magazines will come up with a similar indication for lots of cartridges which I haven't owned.

 

It is also the default setting on a large number of phono stages.

 

I hope that answers your question of where I've got the "idea" from.

 

Thank you!

 

Yes it does, U (answer my question of where you got that idea from).  But what you're doing (because you don't know any better) is regurgitating this "false noos".  :no:

 

And I suggest that whilst a large number of phono stages (including the Hagerman 'Euphoria' that I own) offer 100 ohms as a loading option ... very few make it the default (I presume you mean, here, the only?) loading option.

 

Andy

 

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Yes it does, U (answer my question of where you got that idea from).  But what you're doing (because you don't know any better) is regurgitating this "false noos".  :no:
 
And I suggest that whilst a large number of phono stages (including the Hagerman 'Euphoria' that I own) offer 100 ohms as a loading option ... very few make it the default (I presume you mean, here, the only?) loading option.
 
Andy


Comes in late, tells people that they don’t know any better.
And who are you?
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25 minutes ago, barn door said:

Comes in late, tells people that they don’t know any better.
And who are you?

 

Haha - someone who is:

  • I suspect a lot older than you
  • and therefore wiser
  • and btw - given you only have 391 posts as against my 11,336 - has been here (on SNA) a great deal longer than you, bd.  :lol:

Andy

 

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Haha - someone who is:
  • I suspect a lot older than you
  • and therefore wiser
  • and btw - given you only have 391 posts as against my 11,336 - has been here (on SNA) a great deal longer than you, bd.  :lol:
Andy
 

Nice one Andy, you just confirmed my hunch [emoji106]
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2 hours ago, barn door said:


Nice one Andy, you just confirmed my hunch emoji106.png

 

Fascinated to learn what your hunch was, bd.  :)

 

And btw, I won't complain to the mods if you post something I don't like. (I'm a big boy!  :lol: )

 

Andy

 

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Well thanks everyone for your input and insights. Beside this, I'm enjoying the new cart. I'd still be keen to go down the loaded plugs at some stage, after I've run the cart for a while. 

 

Happy to keep it civil. If not, let's consider this tread closed. 

Cheers. 

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Really good and really enjoying it. Glad I pulled the trigger and jumped over to this.

 

At first, found it very glassy and a little sharp which has now gone as I figure I've got about 30 hours on it over the last week. Sounding really good now. Just played a J. J. Johnson album and I can say it's by far the best playback I've heard.

 

The cart itself sounds musical as many forums have suggested. Great detail, warm, clear and lively. The image sounds correct and as it should be, consistent with a live performance as the last cart was pulling the mids and uppers too forward for me. Not the case on the blue. Lowers as much more taut and dynamic and I've gone from my Spendor SP1, back to my Spendor S8 which I didn't like before, but now sounds so much better and lacks the cabinet resonance that was present before.

 

Really good separation between the musicians giving plenty of space and breath between. I'm loving the fact that the attention to detail from this cart is allowing me to hear very minor nuances from musicians such as the odd bow vibration in a double bass with bowt through to the echo of a room where the studio recording was done.

 

I'm still going to loan a phone stage Rega Aria and have a listen to this once I've got about 100 hours up. And I'll still be loading plugs to hear the differences. 

 

Currently running the cart at 100Ohms. Cart recommends 50-200Ohms. 

 

A big thumbs up from me and would easily recommend. I'll come back after 100 hours and post my findings.

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I was wondering too, good to hear you like it. I believe that Plinius is still in the clasifieds and it is $1000+ below retail. The other one you can consider is the Cyrus Phono Signature which is only a few hundreds over the Aria and can later be upgraded with the PSX-R2 power supply, in my opinion both are superior without spending a fortune over the Aria but otherwise the Aria is a nice stage anyway.

My AT has loosen up a bit more too, I haven't made any decision, the ART9 is still on the "may be" cards but I don't want to rush for the moment as I am enjoying this AT even if I get something better later or rettip the kontrapunkt, one of the cadenzas could be another contender.

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On 04/07/2019 at 10:11 PM, Yardbird said:

Really good and really enjoying it. Glad I pulled the trigger and jumped over to this.

 

At first, found it very glassy and a little sharp which has now gone as I figure I've got about 30 hours on it over the last week. Sounding really good now. Just played a J. J. Johnson album and I can say it's by far the best playback I've heard.

 

The cart itself sounds musical as many forums have suggested. Great detail, warm, clear and lively. The image sounds correct and as it should be, consistent with a live performance as the last cart was pulling the mids and uppers too forward for me. Not the case on the blue. Lowers as much more taut and dynamic and I've gone from my Spendor SP1, back to my Spendor S8 which I didn't like before, but now sounds so much better and lacks the cabinet resonance that was present before.

 

Really good separation between the musicians giving plenty of space and breath between. I'm loving the fact that the attention to detail from this cart is allowing me to hear very minor nuances from musicians such as the odd bow vibration in a double bass with bowt through to the echo of a room where the studio recording was done.

 

I'm still going to loan a phone stage Rega Aria and have a listen to this once I've got about 100 hours up. And I'll still be loading plugs to hear the differences. 

 

Currently running the cart at 100Ohms. Cart recommends 50-200Ohms. 

 

A big thumbs up from me and would easily recommend. I'll come back after 100 hours and post my findings

I am very interested to hear how this is going.  Currently have an Ania on RP8.  I find it a bit bright at times, and basically just suffering from upgraditis. 

 

Considering a Rega Apheta or a Cadenza Blue/Bronze, given the current price offer. 

Any thoughts?

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Update on this:

 

Pulled the pin and bought a Cadenza Bronze at that fabulous discount being offered last month.  Big shout-out to Chris at Spin Doctor in Hornsby who fixed it to the Rega arm and adjusted the height. 

 

I remember feeling a bit Emperor's New Clothes with the Ania cart when I first listened to it.  It loosened up, and I upgraded the phono stage to end up with a Rega Ios (found on these pages).  The sound got pretty good.

 

This is another level.  Only about 3 hours in.  Glorious, warm, resolved, natural, fabulous separation.  It is another level. 

 

I might have hit the end point for a while, but you never know

 

 

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